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Much of what you said in the above statement is not true. Some of it is half truth.

I know. Fighting the Fox News Machine's lies is so hard.

We wouldn't be in half the trouble we are now if Bush hadn't gone on an excursion to blow the treasury to kill the 'New Deal'. There is staggering evidence to show that Bush actually KNEW 9/11 was going to happen. Swallow that if you can.

It can't be denied... Bush achieved through total failure...

And aside from being the wrong skin color, the right should embrace Obama. He's done nothing to right the wrongs, and he unleashed the Wall Street monsters!
 
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The rest of the world is terrified of having such an openly racist idiot in the White House. Both the race tensions inside of the US as well as international relations could be set back decades. Ooh...and how about North Korea. How well do you think their crazy-assed leader would respond to Trump daring him to launch nukes???

As much as we like to point at W as how wrong things can go, Trump is no Bush. Can anyone name ANY redeeming qualities of "The Donald"???

The prospect is frightening.

And, back on topic - can't be much of a secretive meeting if everyone knows about it. :) You're just upset that they didn't televise it?

I don't know about others, but frankly I don't care about what other governments think or even what their people think. They protested in Germany, UK and other places about how Bush was a horrible, terrible war criminal and somehow I'm to think that Trump is going to be worse?

I can name one redeeming quality of Trump, he is not vetted, bought & paid for by establishment crooks which is something I can't say about any of the other current candidates. While Trump has had his business failures overall he has been highly successful in business and understands what it takes to make a business run well.

He does have a bit too much of that "my way or the highway" streak in him but honestly I would take that over electing a treacherous criminal person like Hillary or a wing nut socialist like Bernie.
 
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Oh how I wish this were the case. I don't even have confidence that our votes are counted accurately. Voter fraud is rampant. We need better, stronger voter ID laws.
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Much of what you said in the above statement is not true. Some of it is half truth. The Obama administration has been in the business of overthrowing Middle East governments and setting the whole region on fire. They removed Mubarak and placed a Muslim Brotherhood president in there, who was later overthrown by the people. They overthrew Gaddafi and the country exploded in violence. They WANT to overthrow Assad and that will lead to the same violence. We are lucky that Putin was there to stop that. Assad is a bad guy but the alternative would be much much worse.

Voter fraud?

That is the biggest fraud being committed! Something like 0.000007% of the votes in this country are fraudulent.

The true fraud is no one knows exactly how many people are being denied their right to vote due to the actions of the partisan effort to deny that right through ridiculous 'voter ID' laws, and hacked voting machines.

Voter fraud? Ha! Believing that is rich...

Obama didn't appoint a 'Muslim Brotherhood president' there. That is a fallacy. The military offered to take control, fill the vacuum, and THEY did that. It was what they were waiting for, yes, but Mubarak was a 'bad guy'.

And the thought that Putin would 'save' anything and be a positive effect on the outcome is tragic. He's in it for his own reasons, and saving peoples lives and saving the environment is the last thing he's interested in achieving...

But I'm done commenting on this. But I'd hope people take a look around, and do their own research and see reality, before it hits them on the head...

Cheers!
 
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I know. Fighting the Fox News Machine's lies is so hard.

We wouldn't be in half the trouble we are now if Bush hadn't gone on an excursion to blow the treasury to kill the 'New Deal'. There is staggering evidence to show that Bush actually KNEW 9/11 was going to happen. Swallow that if you can.

It can't be denied... Bush achieved through total failure...

And aside from being the wrong skin color, the right should embrace Obama. He's done nothing to right the wrongs, and he unleashed the Wall Street monsters!

Typical left-wing knee jerk reaction that the only reason anyone dislikes Obama is because of skin color. Amazingly enough a lot of people dislike Obama because of his character... which is weak. If you want to talk about skin color Obama has done more to rewind race relations in this country than any president since LBJ.

Instead of talking about how Americans of all creeds and colors need to come together to solve our problems Obama continues to polarize everything and put people in boxes based on the color of their skin. He talks about how before he was a senator white women have clutched their bag when he gets into an elevator wearing a business suit without acknowledging that black men commit an overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of violent crime in the USA. He vilifies the NRA and yet white-washes the actual violent action of terrorist organizations like The Black Panthers. He takes a case that was ultimately ruled lawful self defense and turns it into "if I had a kid he'd look like Treyvon".

Barack Obama has been a terrible, terrible president. I don't care how much they like him in the UK or Germany.
 
Sure, what world needs is another neo-nazi leader. US must do "better" than Russia so let's up the game and find even crazier person than Putin aka Trump. Adolf Hitler would approve.

The sad part of this "discussion", having parents who lived through those times, to place AH and Trump in the same frame is appalling and shows a complete lack of what AH was like.
 
Wow. Just wow.

While I agree with some and disagree with others, and even agree with some points of the ones I disagree with overall, the irrationality, fallacious logic and closed mindedness in this thread is mystifying. So many so busy defending their positions or just blathering on without taking even a moment to think, it seems - or, worse, drawing and defending conclusions that are so completely erroneous... I don't pretend to know any more than any of you, and admit freely that I know less about some things probably than each of you, but really folks, wake up. And if you think I mean you then know that I mean the "guy" on the other side of your argument - and also know that I can say the same to "him." SMH...
 
Well, who exactly are "the people"? The various states each have their own rules how the will of "the people" gets measured.

Some have caucuses, where the party faithful get together and somehow debate until they come up with a winner. These states are somehow difficult to predict.

Other states have primaries, which can be open to all voters, or closed to only party members. Closed primaries don't have to be really closed. In some states with "closed" primaries all you have to do is say you're a Republican. But you can make that declaration at the time of the primary and it doesn't hold any weight.

Some states are "Winner takes All" states. In Florida, Trump could get 36% of the vote vs Rubio's 35%, and Trump could walk away with 100% of the delegates. Or reverse the numbers and Rubio would get all the delegates. Is it fair to the 35% of Florida Republican Primary voters to have their votes count for nothing?

You can argue that the candidates know the rules going into Florida and every other state, so it's fair to them to have some of their supporters' votes count for nothing. But that leads us to the contested convention. That's just as much part of the rules as leaving the "loser's" Florida primary votes on the floor.

If Rubio wins Florida and Cruz wins some other states and Kasich wins one or two and they all keep Trump from getting enough pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first vote at the convention, then Trump LOSES the first vote (they all lose, of course). There is no winner. Rules were followed, and on the second and subsequent votes none of the delegates are required to support the person they were pledged to. Perfectly fair, and all according to the rules, which all the candidates knew going in.

Trump can become the nominee without ever getting 50% in any vote, but he's not guaranteed, or even deserving of being called "the winner" by those rules.

We really need a successor to the current electoral system.
 
Oh how I wish this were the case. I don't even have confidence that our votes are counted accurately. Voter fraud is rampant. We need better, stronger voter ID laws.

You got that right.

AND with money being ruled as 'speech', the involvement of foreign money in our elections can't be realistically denied.

They dance for money, and they will dance for who ever pays them.

THAT is the most damning thing of the past few years. The heavy involvment of unlimited, and secret, money in our political sewer. America is rapidly achieving third world despotic nation status...

Absolutely. I'm not some conspiracy theorist or anything of the sort, but I'm absolutely not blind to the fact that the strings that control the system are all one thing, money. The interests of the highest bidder, not just within our government, but others. And across country lines, like you said.

We need someone to turn our government on its head and to start over. Get all of these lobbyists out, with nothing but their interests in mind. Put us, the people back in control of what's going on.
 
Do you know how much are the french fries in Venezuela after we elected Hugo Chavez who was just as populist as Donald Trump? $79... that is the inflation you will have in the U.S. if Trumps wins.

http://fortune.com/2015/11/06/mcdonalds-venezuela-fries/

Why Trump is popular? because he is a compulsive liar, a populist. Anybody who go out to the street and start to tell to people what they want to hear becomes popular. That was Hugo Chavez, charismatic, now look at Venezuela.

As a foreign myself I see everything Donald Trump says, I am agreed with many thing and I understand them but I know he has the wrong solution and his solutions are unrealistic.

Just imagine that you have a daughter and this guy comes to your house and tell her about getting a huge apartment, traveling, parties, glam... and then you see the guys background and he has been bankrupt, with a lot of hookers, insulting everybody, racist... do you want your daughter with that guy?

The problem is that most of the people just see the "glam" and that is it, the rest of the people, the ones with experience THE SMART ONES can tell is a fake. Democracy can destroy itself. Trump will destroy the U.S.
 
Apple should stay out of the politics, IMO.
Likely half of America will be irritated.

Yes, that is true...But it will be good if someone could explain us how this guy gain so much support? .... Probably a summit of technology giants could help us to answer this question.
 
Uh ... great suggestion except the convoluted US tax system already has a tax-free threshold. In fact, the lowest earners make money on taxes when they pay little to nothing and then receive thousands back on things like the earned-income tax credit. On the other hand, I always find it amazing about the evil rich people who invest their money and dare to profit on that. Again, in America, invested money has already been taxed once. If you are lucky enough to profit from it, it is handsomely taxed again disproportionately to the risk. Driving up that rate because it is "safe" for the poorest does not seem to be the best plan.

However, I truly do enjoy hearing how everyone else would fix the inequalities they perceive in the US tax code. I'm sure you'd be just as interested to hear Americans draft fixes for yours .... ;)

I'll settle for someone who truly understands the current tax code. Really knows it. There isn't anyone. They are all specialists.
 
Trump is a racist, discriminant, hateful person, who is dangerous to the whole world. He is a self-centric, attention hording celebrity and he is winning the popularity contest. I am personally shocked at the amount of support that he is getting. It is sad to me that there are so many hateful (or misinformed/easily manipulated) people who think like him, and I am scared for the future of the world if this lunatic is given substantial political power.
You misspelled Obama.
 
I like how many people say "If X wins then Y will happen" (Y= "crisis", "recover", etc).
The US is a much more complex system than this; the president ain't a king.
As Kissinger said : "The best thing in politics will happen when a candidate will stop talking about what he will do in his first 100 days in office. He won't be able to do anything in his first 100 days."
 
So let me get this straight. While I don't support Trump, these guys are having "what do we do if he's elected/how to stop that from happening" meetings regarding Trump, when the truly scary issue is what do we do and how do we stop Hillary from getting elected. I agree that he has some serious flaws and potential downsides and in no way espouses the word presidential, yet the power hungry stop at nothing lying scandal ridden Clinton is still 100 times worse. She's the real nightmare.

Well...
That's certainly AN opinion.

I'm gonna have to wildly disagree.
I'm a Bernie man, through & through... I don't want Hillary either. But to pretend like she'd be "100 times worse" than a megalomaniacal misogynist nutball that OPENLY supports torturing suspects without due process & other tramplings of our constitution and other great bodies of law that have made our nation great, is both bizarre and categorically false.
 
Inequality is one of the biggest complaints I hear I this discussion. Yet making things more equal is "socialist"?sanders is your only hope.
 
If you read about Hitler you'll learn he wasn't democratically elected in a landslide, he was "elected" largely through threats and physical intimidation of the S.A., aka brown shirts, the forerunner of the Nazi party he was in.

I agree with you on Trump, this is a democracy and if enough people vote for him he wins. It's a horrible choice but it's still democracy. However, the main people freaking out about Trump and trying to stop him are Republican party members who feel he will destroy or significantly harm their own party if he wins the nomination. That's different than simply a group of powerful people trying to stop a candidate.

He wasn't elected. He was appointed Chancellor by President Hidenberg. Then the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act ect. which secured his power and position. That's the amazing thing about his rise, he was never elected to his position. He was appointed through political compromise.
 
Well...
That's certainly AN opinion.

I'm gonna have to wildly disagree.
I'm a Bernie man, through & through... I don't want Hillary either. But to pretend like she'd be "100 times worse" than a megalomaniacal misogynist nutball that OPENLY supports torturing suspects without due process & other tramplings of our constitution and other great bodies of law that have made our nation great, is both bizarre and categorically false.


I think the phenomenon that is happening is related to Obama. Everyone had such hope for Obama and look how screwed up things have become now - it's even worse than when we had George W in power! People are clueing in that even the perfect leader (Obama) was bought and paid for by the men behind the curtain.

Sanders is a good choice, not bought and paid for, but he doesn't seem to be beating Clinton. On the other side, Trump brings something refreshing. Trump says what a lot of people are afraid to say and he truly is a great negotiator. There is a reason he is winning and it's a good thing for America. Trump deserves a chance.
 
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Inequality is one of the biggest complaints I hear I this discussion. Yet making things more equal is "socialist"?sanders is your only hope.

It depends how you make things equal.
If A is forced to give to B, meanwhile paying a portion to C to do the job, then we have a problem.
 
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