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Tim Cook, Tech CEOs and Top Republicans Attend Secretive Meeting About Donald Trump

PinkyMacGodess said:
I know. Fighting the Fox News Machine's lies is so hard.

We wouldn't be in half the trouble we are now if Bush hadn't gone on an excursion to blow the treasury to kill the 'New Deal'. There is staggering evidence to show that Bush actually KNEW 9/11 was going to happen. Swallow that if you can.

It can't be denied... Bush achieved through total failure...

And aside from being the wrong skin color, the right should embrace Obama. He's done nothing to right the wrongs, and he unleashed the Wall Street monsters!
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If its all the same to you, I won't be swallowing anything that a perfect stranger on the internet tries to sell me. I am no fan of Bush or virtually any Republican ( I do like Tom Cotton). I do believe that Obama is a worse version of Bush. He has the same crazy spending addiction and the same allergies to the truth.
 
yaxomoxay said:
It depends how you make things equal.
If A is forced to give to B, meanwhile paying a portion to C to do the job, then we have a problem.
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Why is it that you think they'll take money from anyone except the ones so wealthy they can force their way...? It's not how that works at all. Against minimum wage raise? Against people not dying because of money?
 
Rhonindk said:
The sad part of this "discussion", having parents who lived through those times, to place AH and Trump in the same frame is appalling and shows a complete lack of what AH was like.
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I'm well aware what Adolf Hitler was all about. AH ideology was built on supremacy and racial segregation. It's the same card Trump is using. Don't try to whitewash Trumps ideology.
 
Rhonindk said:
We really need a successor to the current electoral system.
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Yes, let's go to a complete populist voting system for POTUS and have it smartphone enabled too, so that Kim K or JAYZ can win next.

Do a google search on "mob rule"... the founders were not fans of it which is why we have the representative system we do.
 
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swingerofbirch said:
As a progressive, I have no sympathy for them and I actually think Trump *could* be less destructive than another Republican president.

The Republicans painted themselves into a corner where they had nothing to run on but things people don't really like. If you're agains everything that Obama is for for 8 years, what can you run on? You have to be for something. It was ripe for a takeover.

Trump is running on racist rhetoric. Whether he's making a mockery of Republican voters and doesn't actually believe that or not, who really knows--I tend to think he doesn't believe what he says.

What is this grand alternative to Trump? A compassionate conservative from a political dynasty like George W. Bush who brought us a war that killed thousands of Americans along with a torture camp and who oversaw the worst terrorist attack on the US ever along with the greatest economic recession since the Great Depression? That's what an establishment Republican got us.

The thing about Trump is that he is not running on Republican or Democratic values. He is the first major candidate I can think of in about 4 decades to question the wisdom of free trade deals--something both Republicans and Democrats have brought to the table. That's one reason he's a threat to multi-national companies like Apple.

I'm not a Trump apologist, but I am no more an apologist for those who have manipulated the government into creating trade deals that have hurt Americans without providing for a redistribution of the growing wealth caused by free trade. Free trade increases wealth. I don't dispute that. But it changes the division of labor from being mostly within a country to being among countries, and so whoever is best suited for a certain type of work within a country will benefit, while the most ill-suited will suffer. Free trade is good in that it brings wealth to developing countries. But both developed and developing countries need safeguards for the factors of production that suffer in free trade, and we haven't had that. Instead marginal tax rates have gone down and effective corporate tax rates have effectively disappeared in the cases of some companies.
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Now wait a second. I'm an independent and hate them all., but some of your facts are off.

The recession officially started per economist in 2000. The economy didn't just fall off a cliff when Bush took office. It had been declining all through Clinton's second term. Bush didn't crash the economy in a couple of months. That's ludicrous and in contrast to the facts.

Economies are cyclic - Clinton caught the wave perfectly.

As for the terrorist attack, again, 8 months into a new administration and it's all their fault? Ignore the fact Clinton's administration could have had Bin Laden killed or in custody many times - the Saudis offered him up many times after the 1993 World Trade Center attack. Again, early on under a new administration. Should Clinton get all the blame for the 1993 attack?

Both parties share equal blame in all these problems. They are two sides to the same coin.
 
I need to stop reading these threads. It now clear to me why and how Trump is so popular with about 1/3 of this country.
 
cmichaelb said:
Now wait a second. I'm an independent and hate them all., but some of your facts are off.

The recession officially started per economist in 2000. The economy didn't just fall off a cliff when Bush took office. It had been declining all through Clinton's second term. Bush didn't crash the economy in a couple of months. That's ludicrous and in contrast to the facts.

Economies are cyclic - Clinton caught the wave perfectly.

As for the terrorist attack, again, 8 months into a new administration and it's all their fault? Ignore the fact Clinton's administration could have had Bin Laden killed or in custody many times - the Saudis offered him up many times after the 1993 World Trade Center attack. Again, early on under a new administration. Should Clinton get all the blame for the 1993 attack?

Both parties share equal blame in all these problems. They are two sides to the same coin.
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yep, Thing is, governing is much more difficult than people realize.
 
SvP said:
Why is it that you think they'll take money from anyone except the ones so wealthy they can force their way...? It's not how that works at all. Against minimum wage raise? Against people not dying because of money?
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Maybe you should explain it to us then.

Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers, they are meant to be stepping stones within careers.... flipping burgers or making coffee is a job for high school and college kids, not for adults trying to support families... if you really see that as your career direction then I strongly recommend working your tail off so that within a few years you are running the place.

If it is so tough to "make it" in this country with minimum wage jobs then how is it that people have immigrated here for generations with nothing but the clothes on their back and end up owning businesses and sending their kids to medical school within a generation? The answer is that they are willing to forego luxuries and they are willing to work multiple jobs to get ahead.

Freedom is about freedom from government micromanagement of our lives and burdensome taxes, not freedom from want.
 
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PinkyMacGodess said:
Voter fraud?

That is the biggest fraud being committed! Something like 0.000007% of the votes in this country are fraudulent.

The true fraud is no one knows exactly how many people are being denied their right to vote due to the actions of the partisan effort to deny that right through ridiculous 'voter ID' laws, and hacked voting machines.

Voter fraud? Ha! Believing that is rich...

Obama didn't appoint a 'Muslim Brotherhood president' there. That is a fallacy. The military offered to take control, fill the vacuum, and THEY did that. It was what they were waiting for, yes, but Mubarak was a 'bad guy'.

And the thought that Putin would 'save' anything and be a positive effect on the outcome is tragic. He's in it for his own reasons, and saving peoples lives and saving the environment is the last thing he's interested in achieving...

But I'm done commenting on this. But I'd hope people take a look around, and do their own research and see reality, before it hits them on the head...

Cheers!
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I have no interest in arguing with you. You are clearly imbedded deeply into your belief system and no amount of factual data will sway you. I'd like to see how anyone is being denied the right to vote through voter ID laws. I remember seeing the Black Panthers outside of polling stations in Chicago deterring white people from voting in 2012. Are those the people you are referring to as the ones being denied the right to vote? Hacked voting machines are a problem. I remember reports of how machines were changing Romney votes to Obama in 2012. I remember how during the contested Al Franken Senate race Minnesota they found a trunk full of absentee voter ballots all filled out for Al Franken after the 3rd or 4th recount.

Everyone should have to have a picture ID to vote. Every legal U.S. citizen can get a picture ID from the DMV. It is completely absurd that if I buy an iPod Shuffle from the Apple store online I need to produce a picture ID to pick it up in the store, but I don't need to show a picture ID to vote. It makes no sense. The vote is supposed to be sacred, it should be granted to all LEGAL US citizens and PROTECTED at all costs from ALL FORMS OF FRAUD.
 
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Why it a tech company wasting resources discussing who should be president? I would rather have them work on new products than discuss politics. They seem to devote a lot of discussion why Trump shouldn't be president. They have no idea what a disaster this country would be if Hillary got into office, which is probably what will happen anyways since votes mean nothing.

Trump is so popular because people are sick of lying politicians. He says what he feels (sometimes to his detriment) and he seems hell bent on doing what is necessary to make the country great again.

Still though, why is Apple talking about this in meetings?
 
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jmpage2 said:
Maybe you should explain it to us then.
Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers, they are meant to be stepping stones within careers.... flipping burgers or making coffee is a job for high school and college kids,
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It is also an important stepping stone for poor people, or people who live in a slum trying to get out from a destructive cycle of life and also for those good willing adult that ended up at the juvy and are now trying to get some good reputation under the belt.
 
FakeWozniak said:
Apple should stay out of the politics, IMO.
Likely half of America will be irritated.
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but the conservative court ruled corporations are people too. if they're people. why shouldn't they be involved in politics?

this aside from the fact that Cook and others there are people too and also free to do as they please.
 
Is this a regular annual meeting with extra participants, or a specially convened shadow meet? Have they met like this before?
 
inhalexhale1 said:
I think a bunch of wealthy tech billionaires, meeting behind closed doors with republican leaders, to discuss an anti Trump agenda is the EXACT type of reason he's so popular to begin with.
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Trump is an example behind the rationale for having a representative or electoral democracy, not one that is directly elected by the people.
 
patseguin said:
Why it a tech company wasting resources discussing who should be president? I would rather have them work on new products than discuss politics. They seem to devote a lot of discussion why Trump shouldn't be president. They have no idea what a disaster this country would be if Hillary got into office, which is probably what will happen anyways since votes mean nothing.

Trump is so popular because people are sick of lying politicians. He says what he feels (sometimes to his detriment) and he seems hell bent on doing what is necessary to make the country great again.

Still though, why is Apple talking about this in meetings?
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A lot of tech and other large companies benefit and will benefit from getting cheap labor through H-1B visa worker programs. They will save a LOT of money on payroll costs by hiring cheap workers from Mexico, India, etc. That is why they are against Trump, he has gone on record as saying he will drastically reduce these programs. It is going to cost Apple and these other companies a lot of cash.
 
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BuddyTronic said:
I think the phenomenon that is happening is related to Obama. Everyone had such hope for Obama and look how screwed up things have become now - it's even worse than when we had George W in power! People are clueing in that even the perfect leader (Obama) was bought and paid for by the men behind the curtain.

Sanders is a good choice, not bought and paid for, but he doesn't seem to be beating Clinton. On the other side, Trump brings something refreshing. Trump says what a lot of people are afraid to say and he truly is a great negotiator. There is a reason he is winning and it's a good thing for America. Trump deserves a chance.
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I both agree & disagree (respectfully)...
I agree that we need someone NOT in the pockets of wealthy. But I disagree that Trump "deserves a chance". I think his possible election is the single most dangerous thing we've faced this century. I think he could single-handedly set our nation back fifty years.
I imagine Americans being spit on when deboarding planes in other countries (if we are still welcome there at all), I imagine a nation "banning" Muslims... singling out citizens in a way that we haven't seen since we were putting Japanese Americans in "internment camps", I see civil liberties going away (as he's already called for in his opinions on legalizing torture & how this Apple vs. FBI should be handled), I see us headed down a DANGEROUS road that we could never recover from.... if he were to be elected.
Perhaps it is unfair- but if you ask an American: "close your eyes & picture a German soldier- they will picture a Nazi"... that is a stereotype lasting sixty years!!!!
THAT is the type of thing that would happen to the world's view of America under Trump.
 
AxoNeuron said:
It really angers me when people characterize Sanders policies as "free stuff for everyone!" It displays such an astonishing lack of even basic understanding about what the guy is saying that I'm surprised you can even spell his name correctly.

If you're going to argue against someone's positions...at least argue against their REAL positions, not some idiotic bogus straw man argument that has absolutely no basis in reality.
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Well any reasonable person would realize it's not free, you will be paying for it. Bernie has trouble explaining how his programs will be paid for. I can't stand Hillary but the spending he is proposing is just stunning - oh and he'll pay down the deficit.

$1 trillion in first 5 years for infrastructure improvements.
Single payor health care.
Free higher education.
Minimum wage increase to $15.

Just those three things alone would require massive tax hikes and cuts to the federal govt (I'm all for reducing the size of the bureaucracy and giving the power back to the states where it belongs).

I do believe out of everyone running Bernie seems very genuine and really does care about peoples well being. I respect him whether I agree or not.
 
pooleman said:
A lot of tech and other large companies benefit and will benefit from getting cheap labor through H-1B visa worker programs. They will save a LOT of money on payroll costs by hiring cheap workers from Mexico, India, etc. That is why they are against Trump, he has gone on record as saying he will drastically reduce these programs. It is going to cost Apple and these other companies a lot of cash.
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Ah OK that does explain it better. I think it SHOULD cost Apple and other companies more money to have to employ Americans.
 
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