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I don't think four years of Donald Trump is too high a price for Americans to pay, presuming that there won't be a Republican party after Trump's first term and a one-party system will actually get things done.
 
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Well, realistically speaking Trump is the anti-politician that the US has been waiting for. He's like Venezuela's Chavez, but a billionaire. Going along and getting along aren't his thing, unless it moves the markers.

He's like the establishment's worst nightmare: someone who can bring actual change to the government. Just imagine, a President who doesn't believe Washington's revolving door is "normal" - or someone who isn't afraid to tell the Pentagon, Medicare, or the bureaucracy to go to h*ll.

Politicians speak the gibberish of change, but as you can see, nothing really changes. Sure, the Democrat rank and file don't like free trade, but they never do anything about it because rich Democrats want it. Sure Republicans talk about fiscal restraint, and yet they keep passing big budgets.

Trump is a way out of the shell game that is politics today. Trump makes people and the elites uncomfortable because, well, he says stuff that people actually are thinking. Why does the US have to educate and support generations of illegal immigrants from Central and South America? Where is the responsibility of the Latin governments? Why does the US consider Saudi Arabia an ally, when half of the time they're working against US interests? Who really does benefit from free trade?

What people who matter are worried about is his implicit opposition to the liberalism inherent in the post-WW2 tenets of free trade, financial stability, and the various regimes set up after WW2. Nobody really questions whether economic liberalism's really been a benefit; the assumption is that it's prevented conflict by bringing countries together. In some cases (China and SE Asia) it has, in the Middle East less so, in Africa probably not at all. But is the US really better off in trading middle-class prosperity for world peace? It's an interesting question.

Then again, the USSR fell three years after Reagan left office, so it'll take time for these things to happen...if they do happen.
 
I don't think four years of Donald Trump is too high a price for Americans to pay, presuming that there won't be a Republican party after Trump's first term and a one-party system will actually get things done.

Never in the history of putative democray/representative republicanism has a one-party system ever improved the function of government or the living conditions of a state's people. One-party rule is the hallmark of dictatorship.
 
I don't think four years of Donald Trump is too high a price for Americans to pay, presuming that there won't be a Republican party after Trump's first term and a one-party system will actually get things done.
One party system did a bang up job in Russia during the 40s and 50s, and in China during the 60s and 70s.

Follow what dear leader says, or be put to death. With Political Correctness being shoved down our throats, we have a good idea of what the US equivalent of a dear leader will be saying, and who will be on the business end of the sword.
 
I don't agree with Trump and his policies, but I find it interesting the lengths to which important people are going in order to stop him from being president.

He may not be fit to be president, but at the end of the day it's a democracy and people are supporting him.

Exactly my thoughts, who the hell are American corporation execs to ignore what the American public want? Arrogant idiots IMO. Trump is an idiot, but if the American people want him in then democracy should see to it.
 
Americans elected George W. Bush, TWICE. Trump isn't the president Americans need, he's a president they deserve.

Likewise, Americans also elected Obama twice, who is, in terms of foreign policy, fiscal policy, spending discipline, privacy rights, administration transparency, and other important things, the 3rd and 4th terms of George W Bush.
 
I don't agree with Trump and his policies, but I find it interesting the lengths to which important people are going in order to stop him from being president.

He may not be fit to be president, but at the end of the day it's a democracy and people are supporting him.
People have continually voted against their best interests, typically conservative voters. Tru p admits he's bought off politicians. He represents everything that's wrong with the political system. In the end all his die hard supporters are nothing compared to the general electorate in which he is not going to win.

The civil war in the GOP is leading to one thing only, democrats winning.
 
But is the US really better off in trading middle-class prosperity for world peace? It's an interesting question.

Irrespective of this question, it is the obligation and mandate of the government of the United States to act in the material benefit and protect the right of its citizens before some nebulous concept of a world market or policy of globalism. If the government operates in a manner which is contrary to the rule of law, even if it is of temporary benefit to some or all of the body politic, said act is legally null and void at best.
 
Hitler was democratically elected by a landslide.

Sometimes the people have no idea what's good for them.

If you read about Hitler you'll learn he wasn't democratically elected in a landslide, he was "elected" largely through threats and physical intimidation of the S.A., aka brown shirts, the forerunner of the Nazi party he was in.

I agree with you on Trump, this is a democracy and if enough people vote for him he wins. It's a horrible choice but it's still democracy. However, the main people freaking out about Trump and trying to stop him are Republican party members who feel he will destroy or significantly harm their own party if he wins the nomination. That's different than simply a group of powerful people trying to stop a candidate.
 
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He's a billionaire businessman. He is the pocket.

If elected, I really don't care if he does nothing else but shut down the H-1B visa program. In fact I hope that's all he does (and spends the rest of his time golfing). He'll face a primary challenge in 4 years anyway... Voting for grid lock is better than any of the alternatives.
 
The real tragedy is that the Republican party has created this mess themselves, by failing to fund the single most important aspect of the success of any country -- education of their children. Trump's primary audience are the "poorly educated". It's no wonder he loves them. And it's the quality of education received I'd question in those supporters who have college degrees and above. At this point they've made their bed by keeping their constituency in the dark, from questioning their overall agendas. And now they are paying the price for a poorly educated support base who are growing frustrated by following their anointed leaders into the abyss of unregulated banks and other failures of government.
What do you say about Democrats?
 
Well, realistically speaking Trump is the anti-politician that the US has been waiting for. He's like Venezuela's Chavez, but a billionaire. Going along and getting along aren't his thing, unless it moves the markers.

He's like the establishment's worst nightmare: someone who can bring actual change to the government. Just imagine, a President who doesn't believe Washington's revolving door is "normal" - or someone who isn't afraid to tell the Pentagon, Medicare, or the bureaucracy to go to h*ll.

Politicians speak the gibberish of change, but as you can see, nothing really changes. Sure, the Democrat rank and file don't like free trade, but they never do anything about it because rich Democrats want it. Sure Republicans talk about fiscal restraint, and yet they keep passing big budgets.

Trump is a way out of the shell game that is politics today. Trump makes people and the elites uncomfortable because, well, he says stuff that people actually are thinking. Why does the US have to educate and support generations of illegal immigrants from Central and South America? Where is the responsibility of the Latin governments? Why does the US consider Saudi Arabia an ally, when half of the time they're working against US interests? Who really does benefit from free trade?

What people who matter are worried about is his implicit opposition to the liberalism inherent in the post-WW2 tenets of free trade, financial stability, and the various regimes set up after WW2. Nobody really questions whether economic liberalism's really been a benefit; the assumption is that it's prevented conflict by bringing countries together. In some cases (China and SE Asia) it has, in the Middle East less so, in Africa probably not at all. But is the US really better off in trading middle-class prosperity for world peace? It's an interesting question.

Then again, the USSR fell three years after Reagan left office, so it'll take time for these things to happen...if they do happen.
So you support a ban of 11 million Muslims from the USA?
 
I don't agree with Trump and his policies, but I find it interesting the lengths to which important people are going in order to stop him from being president.

He may not be fit to be president, but at the end of the day it's a democracy and people are supporting him.

It's actually a republic, and since there hasn't been an election yet your declarative is very premature.
 
He's a billionaire businessman. He is the pocket.

He's not really a billionaire, except in his own head. Businessman? Sort of. He is a confidence main really and always angle shooting. That is what he is good at, so he really has no pre-existing attachments.

The reality is Trump is just flipping things from getting payment upfront to get payment during/after but at a time when he actually has influence to push.
 



Tim Cook attended American Enterprise Institute's annual World Forum this past weekend in Georgia alongside Google CEO Larry Page, Tesla CEO Elon Musk, and other tech leaders, according to a new report from The Huffington Post. Top Republican officials, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConell, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan and Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton also attended, with the main topic of conversation revolving around Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump.

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Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard and political commentator, wrote in an emailed report that much of the conference was haunted by "the specter of Donald Trump," with many attendees unhappy about his emergence and discussing how he gained his support.
Some sources familiar with the meetings told The Huffington Post that the meeting centered more around how and why Trump has attracted support rather than how to stop him. The meeting included a presentation by Republican political consultant Karl Rove about focus group findings on Trump.

While Trump took up much of the conversation, the discussion eventually turned to encryption. Cook and Cotton "fiercely debated" cell phone encryption, and one source tells The Huffington Post that "Cotton was pretty harsh on Cook." Cotton's aggressiveness was reportedly hostile enough to make other attendees uncomfortable.

Since Apple and the FBI began their duel over encryption, Trump has criticized the company for its decision to oppose a court order to unlock the San Bernardino shooter's iPhone. The Presidential candidate has said that Apple should unlock the phone and called for a boycott on Apple products until the company complies, despite using an iPhone to tweet.

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Article Link: Tim Cook, Tech CEOs and Top Republicans Attend Secretive Meeting About Donald Trump


Just so we are clear:

Bill Kristol, writing in The Weekly Standard, quoted KARL MARX when discussing what the REPUBLICAN party should do, and this was reported in THE HUFFINGTON POST!

And people are taking this seriously. Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhttttttt.
 
Trump is a racist, discriminant, hateful person, who is dangerous to the whole world. He is a self-centric, attention hording celebrity and he is winning the popularity contest. I am personally shocked at the amount of support that he is getting. It is sad to me that there are so many hateful (or misinformed/easily manipulated) people who think like him, and I am scared for the future of the world if this lunatic is given substantial political power.
 
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