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And yes, I think you're right, when 10-20 BLM protestors show up at one of his rallies and start parading around with signs shouting, interrupting a speech that thousands are attending... Trump should simply invite them up on stage and turn the mic over to them like Bernie.

Or maybe he shouldn't. If people are behaving like spoiled children, like miscreants then they absolutely deserve to be thrown out of a PRIVATE FUNCTION.
Yup. That's the best way to make sure protestors keep coming back. Which is what's happening, isn't it?

BTW, if acting like a spoiled child is grounds for being thrown out, Trump himself should be tossed out from nearly every one of his events.

As to "private functions", I had no idea Trump's rallies were invitation only. Is a tux required or is it suit and tie?

We do have a race problem in this country, the problem of people using a victim mentality to excuse terrible (and in many cases criminal) behavior based on skin color. The problem of affirmative action quotas, huge tax-payer provided giveaways (handouts) and pretty much every other "white guilt" thing not fixing a problem that can only be fixed when the black community recognizes that trust and responsibility are a two way street and that you can't pin your problems on others forever.
So there are no problems with cops shooting blacks without justification? Every cop is a saint, and every black victim is a devil?

Hillary had one private venture I'm aware of, and that one ended with her also being nearly indicted when strong evidence was uncovered that a shell game was being played with project funds from Whitewater, via the law firm she worked at to fund her husband's gubernatorial bid.
Oh. Right. How's that going?

People who like to sneer at Trumps less than successful business ventures might want to remember that the Clintons have never been paid for doing anything other than talking.
Seems to me they each had at least a few other jobs.
 
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Because of all that you did not say.

Well, I think we're about to have an election in which we can vote and determine if thinking that people should be accountable for their own actions and responsible for their poor life decisions makes you a racist, game on.
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So there are no problems with cops shooting blacks without justification? Every cop is a saint, and every black victim is a devil?

Nice straw man. If the police do something illegal, they should be punished. From what I've seen that almost always happens. Oh wait, you say it doesn't happen? Could that be because you don't AGREE with a jury's verdict or a DA's willingness to prosecute based on the evidence available?

Here, I can play straw man too..... how about those college spoiled brat BLM protestors backing students up into corners and shouting in their faces that they need to agree to black solidarity under threat of violence? How about the "do you believe black lives matter" crowd of thugs who bullied a white veteran at a McDonalds and then beat the crap out of him for minding his own business and not buying into their racist bs?

See how that works?
 
Our second trip to Iraq very quickly illustrated the strengths and weaknesses of our army. As an invasion force, we're second to none. We can project our power to any point of the globe in a matter of hours. We have the strength, the technology, and the tactics to make our will known across the world if need be.

But as an occupying force? That's a different story entirely. Our military is built around a Cold War mindset, which requires a vast amounts of forward moving flexible strength focused across wide fronts against an enemy that's using roughly the same hardware and tactics we are. As long as its in motion, it's a juggernaut. But once in hunkers down, it becomes one giant target for any gaggle of desert hillbillies with decades old AK-47s and single fire RPGs.

Yep, and on this topic, was it Scowcroft that said (re: Iraq II), "This is why we didn't march to Baghdad in 1991." (?) And I find it odd how quickly or "selectively" people forget about the no-fly zones in various "problem areas" and how well they worked under the HWB and Clinton administrations. It's equally as odd that OBL and his band of hipster-terrorist rich frat boys so conveniently forgot that NATO forces intervened heavily in Bosnia and Kosovo saving thousands of Muslim lives. Maybe if today's kids -and the Millennials don't want to peruse some Wikipedia NATO stuff about what happened when and who was for what, they could at least watch Zero Dark Thirty, a film about dedicated people making very difficult decisions so that we can all take snapshots of our food and live our Portlandia lifestyles -without a care in the world. And yes, Iraq is still a mess. One thing Trump is right about is creating inadvertent power-vacuums in shaky places. What's also interesting is that for the first time in (I don't know when...) China has a blue-water navy. That's a big deal.
 
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If Apple's excessive net profits were capped, they would have ZERO capability to generate revenue or compete in anything.
No they wouldn't. Net profit is what's left once all your other costs are taken into account, so you can pay for all of your R&D, you can handsomely reward your employees etc... You can generate as much revenue as you want, just make sure that 80% of it is going into the business!

As another poster said it's a virtuous cycle. Pay people more they spent more, which generates more demand, which means more workers who can be paid more etc... The only thing that stops is that the Waltons' and the Kochs' bank accounts stop getting exponentially bigger!
 
Exactly my thoughts, who the hell are American corporation execs to ignore what the American public want? Arrogant idiots IMO. Trump is an idiot, but if the American people want him in then democracy should see to it.
I'm not American, but from what I've read corporations, lobbying, government, they've all been merged into a nucelar cricket ball. There should be a separation of them all but do you think that could ever happen?
 
You and Liz got mopped up on that exchange.
This, from someone who's glorifying Jon Voight's opinion on Trump. Were you not paying attention to that exchange?

At what point was jpage2 dismissive of BLM's concerns?
When he chose to redefine the race problem as one of "victimhood" and "personal responsibility".
 
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This, from someone who's glorifying Jon Voight's opinion on Trump.

When he chose to redefine the race problem as one of "victimhood" and "personal responsibility".

Clever, but you got smoked.

And victimhood? That's the province of Community Organizers and a major platform of the Progressive left.

No victim, no constituency.

It's as simple as that and as plain as day. So racial animus must be stoked. To hell with personal responsibility.
 
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It's okay. We're used to conservatives not dealing with reality around here.

Well Hillary seems to think everything is going swimmingly

Except of course she wants to make America whole again. Which is weird as it implies that her and Obama did the opposite in the last 8 years

The irony of being a liberal .....
 
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Yeah because building extermination camps to imprison and eradicate a people is JUST EXACTLY like building a fence to keep people out who aren't supposed to be here legally.

Mexico should pay for it because they are costing us millions of manufacturing jobs and illegal immigrants send billions back from the US to keep the Mexico economy afloat. The Mexican economy needs us being "nice" to them a heckuva lot more than the US economy needs to be nice to them.
 
I'm not American, but from what I've read corporations, lobbying, government, they've all been merged into a nucelar cricket ball. There should be a separation of them all but do you think that could ever happen?

Not a chance in hell mate. I'm English and wonder if it should just read UK Corp on world maps. Governments and corporations are very much in each others pockets, but they provide jobs and services so what can you do? It is bad when the little people actually doing the work suffer for profits and shares.
 
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I think you give people too little credit. Hitler was elected in a time when control of media was total and those who supported him were able to hide the darker things he had in mind.

Trumpf is a buffoon, idiot and dullard. He's supported by outspoken extreme minorities and not the masses. I really believe that he doesn't have a chance, but it's almost better to let people think he could be president to get people to vote against him. He is an unusual political figure because he doesn't say things you expect but what he does say is offensive to many, it's almost unbelievable he's not been arrested because of it. His responses to questions are bizarre and show no understanding or he just rambles like a nutter. He's a curio and endlessly entertaining in a car crash kind of way.

When it comes down to serious voting i don't think people could really elect him with a straight face.

This isn't Europe, we don't throw people in jail for talking, even if people find what they are saying uncomfortable. It can be argued that Trump is simply saying what a lot of people are thinking, re: the US middle-class getting crushed so that plutocrats and oligarchs can line their pockets... and that one of the reasons for this is losing jobs to trade deals that only benefit the .1% and other countries.

Trump says a lot of stupid crap that people love to jump on. Trump also just says what he likes and doesn't require a teleprompter or prepared remarks for every time he opens his yap, like Obama.

It's the not-stupid crap that he's saying about trade and immigration that have gotten people's attention and are generating the amount of enthusiasm he gets.
 
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Nonsense

There was a clear military campaign which ended and gave way to an administration

No more explanation is needed

Read a history book

I think it's you that needs to read a history book. A real one, not the ones your ilk likes to rewrite.
 
This isn't Europe, we don't throw people in jail for talking, even if people find what they are saying uncomfortable. It can be argued that Trump is simply saying what a lot of people are thinking, re: the US middle-class getting crushed so that plutocrats and oligarchs can line their pockets... and that one of the reasons for this is losing jobs to trade deals that only benefit the .1% and other countries.

Trump says a lot of stupid crap that people love to jump on. Trump also just says what he likes and doesn't require a teleprompter or prepared remarks for every time he opens his yap, like Obama.

It's the not-stupid crap that he's saying about trade and immigration that have gotten people's attention and are generating the amount of enthusiasm he gets.

If Obama didn't have a TelePrompTer he would be stumbling through every public address. Google the few speaches he has given with no prompter, it's mostly unintelligible.

Our 1st Ammendment was written to protect OFFENSIVE SPEECH. Polite speech doesn't need protection. To think we could be thrown in jail for offensive speech is the pinnacle of "unamerican". If we could be thrown in jail for offensive speech then all the sick comedians (Louis C.K.) and hate mongers (Louis Farrakhan, David Duke) would have been locked up long ago.
 
I think it's you that needs to read a history book. A real one, not the ones your ilk likes to rewrite.

Ah, my ilk

You mean the people who make fact based decisions

I can recommend it, seriously, you have much better outcomes in life

Unlike your angry ideological, nothing ever goes right ilk

Think about it
 
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