Indeed. On the other hand, if, just IF, Apple releases anything new, no matter what, that would certainly blow my mind for the simple fact I didn't see that one coming.
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Tim Cook to Investors: Apple is Working on Future Products That Will 'Blow You Away'
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Well but I'm not sure we know that. Most users don't go online and sing praises of any gear bought from anyone if they're happy with it. Or maybe even if they're not happy.
Me, I might post wow I love my whatever and never post about that thing again until six years later when I post that I can't believe it's still running and still supported.
And I might carp online about something if I send it to get fixed and it comes back still broken, but that's about it. Last time that happened to me with Apple was with some 2010 laptop must have been made on a Monday. Couple more rounds and the lemon turned back into an Apple, case closed.
It's clear lately that a lot of folk posting in here seem either impatient for a next rollout of something, or else like they have input they figure Apple could use for their next drawing board phase of either the chip or the keyboard of a few product lines.
That's okay too but I don't regard a few thousand online complainants as some kind of tsunami of dissatisfaction. It's very hip to complain... and if you go the other direction then that word sheeple starts turning up.
What I see when I prowl around tech media is a bunch of bloggers copying the same script for Apple-related complaints from each other and then retweeting the results to their peers. No wonder we're bored of it all.
When will we finally have a fill in the blank, how long can it take to get a fill in the blank right, who'd a thunk it was so hard to install a fill in the blank in a stupid fill in the blank without taking up so much expletive fill in the blank in a little fill in the blank...
And no I'm not wearing my Make Apple Great Again hat, I just figure it was never that ungreat anyway, plus.... additional extended repair programs are on the way to solve all outstanding problems... nothing's perfect at launch but open efforts at remediation are a good faith move in that direction.
/the anti-rant, have a great weekend.
Just a back-hand homophobic joke.
It Time was non-white or a woman would the poster have gotten away with it today?
Thanks for calling him out.
It's like all the "Steve wouldn't..." comments. Who knows? Steve made his share of mis-steps too.
It seems odd that the world's often biggest $$$ company takes four years to update a Mac mini, can't update an iPod Touch or iPad mini. Throw a few more people into the work area Tim! Or shave a few off the "secret car" one.
Pencil 2 is way better than 1.
Watch is much better than I thought it would be.
AirPods, not comfortable but sound good and make you realise tangled cables had to go.
But "cheap" phones that aren't, MacBooks that are muddled on who they suit and over-priced.
Spotify must rub their hands that iTunes is such a disorganised shambles. So much easier to subscribe and search than to store your own bought music. I'm tired of the constant "wanna trial 3 months?".
Honestly, just give us keyboards that don’t suck. And decent Mac software again.
Plus, honestly, we’ve heard this schrick from Tim and all we got was the Spring Line of Apple Watch Bands
Plus, honestly, we’ve heard this schrick from Tim and all we got was the Spring Line of Apple Watch Bands
nothing's perfect at launch but open efforts at remediation are a good faith move in that direction.
I'm not sure what product you might be thinking of, but the keyboard situation is f'in unacceptable.
The butterfly kb's came out in 2015 in the rMB.
We are now in early 2019 and 3 revisions in and they still are an unreliable disaster.
Not saying you're doing this, but nobody should be still covering for them on that.
The keyboard is not a part that should EVER be having issues on a MacBook.
EVER
Apple Watch and AirPods are all around fantastic. HomePod is a fantastic speaker, only held back by price and Siri capabilities.
Better keep working on the Macs too..
At least for now, all the software being written for their wearables comes from Macs.
Technology rarely surprises nowadays due to sites like this and thousands of others that spoil any advancement months before it is announced. If you’re expecting some major top secret surprise like you may have felt with apple products 10-20 years ago, it won’t happen like that again. By the time you hear about a technology for 6 months or longer before finally seeing it, it’s extremely difficult to get that wow factor.
I must confess I haven't had to put up with those experiences, and admit I'd be unhappy with a keyboard that couldn't take a few of the jokes I've handed out to my older laptops in the meantime. As I said in some other post right now I'm using a magic 1 wireless sitting on the frame of the MBP because I bollixed its keyboard myself awhile back and don't feel like shipping it in mid-winter for repair.
One of my mac laptops I do use a keyboard cover on. Sounds like going forward that could be a must. I don't like the feel of them, quite aside from any opinions on the travel or other behavior of the keys themselves on various Mac keyboards.
I tried out a newish MBA in person up in Albany, and didn't mind how that one felt when I was typing on it. So that at least reassured me but then there's the reliability issue.
I'm hoping they come up with some sort of membrane solution to keep debris and dust out, and that by time I spring for another laptop the series of kb unreliability issues that torment people now will be in the rear view. Otherwise lol some engineers might be looking for call center jobs.
That literally was the change they made between generation 2 & 3..
No dice..
Ultimately it keeps stuff "out" a little better, but once stuff is "in" it's even harder for it to get "out".
It's simply a bad design with tolerances that are too tight for the real world usages.
Maybe they should consider doing less design in a hermetically sealed, quadruple air filtered, white room of minimalism...since nobody lives and works in those environments in real life.
Apple is totally alone on this problem. There are loads of great laptop keyboards out there - all very thin - many that feel amazing to use - and none of them have these reliability issues.
They over-engineered themselves into a mess to solve a problem nobody had and fulfill a request nobody was making.
A classic "change for the sake of change" mistake.
The worst part here is the company that did it is famous for not admitting mistakes and course correcting on things --- and here we are..
Yep VPN and Adblock! And other software too....
But What is happening to Apple software team !
So many issue !
The worst was when I found out about certain apps that record your screen , Expedia / Singapore Airlines and much more.
And instead of Apple removing those Apps, they sent these companies a letter to amend !
Why ! I would like to believe the old Apple would immediately disable the apps and then remove them from from the App Store.
will it come with iLife care +?
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So what do you think Apple should do? No, scratch that, that's for later...
What I really mean as a current window shopper, and I realize this is in the wrong thread... which current or still sold as refurb Mac laptop do you figure has the least obnoxious keyboard or least likely to become disfunctional?
Now as to "what should Apple do?"... it seems to me Cook himself must be livid at having had to put up special repair programs. So do we not think they will have got a grip on this next time out?
I suppose he can't just come out and say "oh by the way we finally got a reliable keyboard design locked in for all our next laptop rollouts."
I'd love to have been fly on wall when he said to his designers, as he must have done by now, "I'd LIKE to be able to say that to the world sometime before you have to find work elsewhere."
I completely disagree that they aren't keeping their flagship products up to par. Personally I think that because of the proprietary approach that Apple took with the initial iPhone that they have captured what is likely an insurmountable lead in quality. Microsoft and Google have done a decent job in laptops but they are struggling badly in mobile.
I can elaborate if you'd like but, I don't see them as behind at all. I see them as holding and compounding a gigantic lead.
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I'm not wrong. The comments here are overwhelmingly negative. The reality is that Apple is doing quite well. More than anything the users here are people who liked Apple "before it was cool."
"I wish they'd just play the old songs. Back before they sold out."
It's nonsense.
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Apple is a product company. They dropped Apple Computer from the name because of this. I think if they feel they can contribute to something to healthcare that they will… and I believe they are.
"What's in the pipeline is amazing."
Please - sacrifice one amazing pipeline thing and fix the steaming pile that iTunes has been since around 2003 or so.
Please - sacrifice one amazing pipeline thing and fix the steaming pile that iTunes has been since around 2003 or so.
@LizKat and @turbineseaplane (btw: you fly somethin' like that? Me flyin' turbine w/o sea)
My gripes are not necessarily about the keyboard or something like that. I like the feel of it, to be honest, but am concerned about reliability. But that's a question of quality control, in that case gone wrong.
However, what bugs me more is Apple just does not seem to care any more about their products, in particular the Mac.
macOS didn't exactly overly evolve recently. Apart from design changes heading in the wrong direction (e.g. Snow Leopard was not only pretty solid, it was also much more pleasing to the eye) nothing new. The fact alone that emojis made it into the change log is laughable.
All they seem to care is: profits. This week two Apple execs addressed pricing claiming something along the lines of not wanting to be elitist or they'd love to be able to produce (the Macbook Air) cheaper.
It strikes me though to call BS on that: Base prices would be high, but acceptable were it not for the ridiculous base model SSD sizes and preposterous amounts of money they ask for SSD or RAM upgrades. Asking 1000 currency units for a 1 TB drive has nothing to do with production cost. There is no plausible explanation other than sheer greed.
I also wonder what's up with the touch bar. It was a by and large useless gimmick that didn't evolve into something useful. It is not something particularly appealing for a computer intended as a work horse. If you don't know what to do with it, just get rid of it. The vast majority of users would rather not have it and thank you for that.
Give us back USB-A, at least a port or two. It'll be around for some time to come, like it or not. Get your thermals right. And please, stick in a battery that actually lasts even when the Mac is not merely idling. Yes, this would add maybe a millimeter or two. But its worth it.
Stop screwing with users by soldering everything. Add a REAL consumer product to your lineup for edu/consumer markets. No need to re-invent the wheel. Just give us proper Macs. Its not that hard, Apple, you did it in the past.
Stop bragging about mind blowing products that are nothing really but vaporware-award candidates. Just do some good old properly designed Macs. If out of ideas, release a cheese-grater with modern internals. Or re-release an updated Macbook Pro 2015. Shouldn't be that hard
My gripes are not necessarily about the keyboard or something like that. I like the feel of it, to be honest, but am concerned about reliability. But that's a question of quality control, in that case gone wrong.
However, what bugs me more is Apple just does not seem to care any more about their products, in particular the Mac.
macOS didn't exactly overly evolve recently. Apart from design changes heading in the wrong direction (e.g. Snow Leopard was not only pretty solid, it was also much more pleasing to the eye) nothing new. The fact alone that emojis made it into the change log is laughable.
All they seem to care is: profits. This week two Apple execs addressed pricing claiming something along the lines of not wanting to be elitist or they'd love to be able to produce (the Macbook Air) cheaper.
It strikes me though to call BS on that: Base prices would be high, but acceptable were it not for the ridiculous base model SSD sizes and preposterous amounts of money they ask for SSD or RAM upgrades. Asking 1000 currency units for a 1 TB drive has nothing to do with production cost. There is no plausible explanation other than sheer greed.
I also wonder what's up with the touch bar. It was a by and large useless gimmick that didn't evolve into something useful. It is not something particularly appealing for a computer intended as a work horse. If you don't know what to do with it, just get rid of it. The vast majority of users would rather not have it and thank you for that.
Give us back USB-A, at least a port or two. It'll be around for some time to come, like it or not. Get your thermals right. And please, stick in a battery that actually lasts even when the Mac is not merely idling. Yes, this would add maybe a millimeter or two. But its worth it.
Stop screwing with users by soldering everything. Add a REAL consumer product to your lineup for edu/consumer markets. No need to re-invent the wheel. Just give us proper Macs. Its not that hard, Apple, you did it in the past.
Stop bragging about mind blowing products that are nothing really but vaporware-award candidates. Just do some good old properly designed Macs. If out of ideas, release a cheese-grater with modern internals. Or re-release an updated Macbook Pro 2015. Shouldn't be that hard
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When Tim say “ they are rolling the dice “ on “future product”.
What does that mean ?
1 ) They are indecisive
2 ) They don’t have the resources to research all at once
3 ) A technology company using “luck” to make an engineering / marketing decision.
4 ) Unable to quantify each individual idea, no market research or have no idea what the Direction they wish to pursue.
I am very worried when the richest tech company is saying they “ rolling the dice”, so it is a gamble ?
And worse, by DICE , do they only have 6 ideas or they can’t decide on the top 6 ? LOL
Anyway Apple, pls fix beats / HomePod , the audio is sub standard for a company that LOVES music.
Upgrade Apple Music to lossless.
Siri IS Too dumb , does not understand context or able to keep a linear input.
Fix the Keyboard! Don’t take years to admit fault and then repair it, it erodes confidence on your technology capability!
Standardize the port for Apple product, either lightning or USB C or micro?
No fragmentation of products! HomePod not sold everywhere, ECG rollout only for USA , Esim for all except China!
IOS / Mac OS too many critical bugs that patched resulting in newer bugs. Where is the QA ?
What does that mean ?
1 ) They are indecisive
2 ) They don’t have the resources to research all at once
3 ) A technology company using “luck” to make an engineering / marketing decision.
4 ) Unable to quantify each individual idea, no market research or have no idea what the Direction they wish to pursue.
I am very worried when the richest tech company is saying they “ rolling the dice”, so it is a gamble ?
And worse, by DICE , do they only have 6 ideas or they can’t decide on the top 6 ? LOL
Anyway Apple, pls fix beats / HomePod , the audio is sub standard for a company that LOVES music.
Upgrade Apple Music to lossless.
Siri IS Too dumb , does not understand context or able to keep a linear input.
Fix the Keyboard! Don’t take years to admit fault and then repair it, it erodes confidence on your technology capability!
Standardize the port for Apple product, either lightning or USB C or micro?
No fragmentation of products! HomePod not sold everywhere, ECG rollout only for USA , Esim for all except China!
IOS / Mac OS too many critical bugs that patched resulting in newer bugs. Where is the QA ?
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Very cool indeed. Raytheon 350 Super King Air....
Sorry for OT