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""rolling the dice" on some future products that will "blow you away.""

Rolling the dice? Is that a good strategy?

By the time these future products arrive, people aren't even going to be around, to be "blown away"

Stop screwing around and produce a new Mac Pro. Or just reboot the 5,1 Mac Pro.
[doublepost=1551540521][/doublepost]Including the comments containing fictitious quotes that users conjure up?

Probably.

“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” — Henry Ford

“If I had asked MacRumors readers what they wanted, they would have said faster PowerBooks.” — Steve Jobs, probably

If you read all the historical comments here, the Mac’s been dead since 2001. I have no doubt that Apple will have a solid foot in the door of whatever future products are yet to shape the technological landscape.
 
And yet in Septmember we will see another boring iPhone launch. And don’t even get me started on their Mac lineup.

Can you use your psychic powers to tell me what kind of a pay raise I can expect this year.
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RE: "Cook also said that Apple is pushing for regulation against tech companies like Facebook and Google that build data profiles of their users."

Better yet, make it ILLEGAL for any public company with Debt to Buy Back Shares ... that will prevent Ponzi Schemes !

You need to brush up on the definition of a Ponzi scheme. By your analogy, someone who refinances their home or takes out a home equity loan is engaged in a Ponzi scheme.
 
In other news the iPhone 11 will be thinner, no notch, twice the battery, life bring back the headphone jack, include a free pair of AirPods and be half the price and people will still complain.
I think people will complain about the Mac side of things. I’d venture that 75% of frustration is with lack of MAc Pro updates, and state of MBP line. You can love Apple, some of their products and be frustrated. I’m fine with the idevices side - heck, I wish I had cash to buy the newest stuff right now - but I’m also not thrilled with replacing my aging MBP right now.
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There was not a thing said about a HO apple train set.
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Have you ever wondered why there have come more complainers than “fans”?

If the Apple products of today are reasonable up to date and reasonable priced and their services offer the same as competitors there won’t be much reason to complain, won’t it?

Back to reality :mad:...

Apple doesn't have more complaints than fans. Their customer satisfaction rates are incredible. They have more complaints within the Macrumors community. Which is representative of practically none of the Apple user base.

Again. It's people who like to complain. It's haters.
 
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You completely miss the point! It’s about what Tim talks and what he delivers.
It’s about product QUALITY
It’s about don’t rip of your customer with 5gb iCloud
I can make You an endless list

WE don’t wait for a paradigm shift, just some well executed positive, well worded stuff, which shows commitment.
And believe it or not, mostly apple engineers are waiting for it too, they are the ones who really suffer, we as consumers can nowadays easily move on!

No, I'm not missing the point.

Tim IS delivering. The commenters here have just gotten into a negative cycle. Tim could stop global climate change and half the comments in here would be like, "but what about updating the Mac?"

It's you missing the point.
 
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A $1500 iPhone is coming, it will blow you away.

When was the last time Apple Blew you away with something?
 
Apple doesn't have more complaints than fans. Their customer satisfaction rates are incredible. They have more complaints within the Macrumors community. Which is representative of practically none of the Apple user base.

Again. It's people who like to complain. It's haters.

Apple actually has a lot of complaints all over the Internet. You’re only choosing the Macrumors forum because you prefer to focus on the negativity here and ignore the elephants in the room.

Aside from that, I am neutral to Apple. That is regarded as negative by Apple fans. So yeah it makes sense why you feel there are a lot of haters.

Anecdotally, a lot of my friends who are in the Apple ecosystem have not been happy with Apple in the last few years. Food for thought.
 
Blow me away with an iPad PRO that doesn't bend and doesn't have an unresponsive screen and I will buy it immediately.

I'm a huge Apple fan, my entire family relies on the Apple eco system and it's a shame that I cannot spend my budget for the new IPP because I'm not sure about its quality and reliability.

Go back to the basics, please: great, reliable and cool products that work!

The iPad pros don’t bend.
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A $1500 iPhone is coming, it will blow you away.

When was the last time Apple Blew you away with something?
The new iPad Pro 12.9”
 
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No, I'm not missing the point.

Tim IS delivering. The commenters here have just gotten into a negative cycle. Tim could stop global climate change and half the comments in here would be like, "but what about updating the Mac?"

It's you missing he point.

If profits are what you’re citing when you refer to “delivering”, I’d agree.

Some of their products though have some large shortcomings from a user’s perspective. I think the people who cite profits as a basis for satisfaction are seeing things too much as black and white
 
......... the product line is exactly the same as when he took over, add in airpods and Apple Watch, hes been doing a great job. He would not be ceo if he wasn’t doing a good job

No it's not, all the products have changed for the worse. The Mac Pro, however, definitely still is the same literal trash can that came out over 5 years ago and it still sells for a starting price of $3,000.

Sorry, but Apple's become a hilarious joke.
 
Are you sure Secure Enclave is Apple Thing? It’s more like ARM thing, Secure Enclave is Apple’s implementation of ARM’s TrustedZone. FaceID is just other forms of Biomatic verification thing. Microsoft used Retina scanning before, so it is just that. If you call FaceID an innovation, then Microsoft’s or other Anroid’s Iris scanning is innovation as well. Swift is just other programming language.

Apple is no longer the company that trying to be groundbreaking to me. They are just following the trend and trying to make the best product that following the trend.


Implementation of technology is also innovation. Apple didn't invent touch displays either but they certainly implemented them far better than anyone had ever done before. Authentec was a purchase they made but I certainly think that the full implementation of Touch ID ultimately changed the game.


I also want to add this to what I'm saying above and tag @dmylrea because he asked what was innovative about the iPhone X.

Understand that Apple could have gone full screen years ago. It's a relatively easy, although inelegant solution, to remove Touch ID or to move it to the back of the device and extend a screen to the edges. To many regular users it appeared as though Apple was "behind" in this regard.

To fully grasp the pipeline and the roadmap you have to understand everything Apple did to get to the iPhone X design. The roadmap literally goes back to the lead up and release of the iPhone 5S with Touch ID, and more importantly Secure Enclave. The acquisition of Authentec in 2012. When Apple decided to use biometric data they also felt it was important to secure that data locally on the device. Secure Enclave does this and is still the method being used to secure data for Face ID today.

It seems obvious that the ideal design of a smartphone is an edge to edge display regardless of the total size/footprint of the device. It just makes sense to want as much screen as possible even if you only want a 3.5 inch phone. For Apple to achieve this they have to remove that big home button on the bottom of the phone. They could have moved it to the back but that's a bad solution. They could've just removed it entirely and opted for the old passcode but that's taking steps back in efficiency and security as well as the implications for things like payments. So what do you do? Face ID is the answer.

So what did Apple ultimately do? They built a system of cameras capable of accurately and consistently gathering biometric data. They improve their processor technology to be fast enough to immediately run that data so that the user doesn't have to wait for their phone to unlock. Then if you care about the security of the user you need a Secure Enclave to protect the biometric data being gathered.

Sure you can slap a big display on any phone and make it edge to edge but that hardly puts you ahead in hardware. It shows a lack of understanding of what innovation is, how incrementally it occurs, and how thorough Apples approach is. At it's core, examples like this are why Apple inches forward, iteration by iteration while other OEMs always seem to be chasing gimmicks and touting half baked "features."

And I'm not saying it always works out perfectly for Apple. They mess up. But the iPhone X was clearly the result of years of work and preparation for what Apple felt like was the best implementation of a full screen device. And you know what? It's a pretty great phone.
 
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Apple actually has a lot of complaints all over the Internet. You’re only choosing the Macrumors forum because you prefer to focus on the negativity here and ignore the elephants in the room.

Aside from that, I am neutral to Apple. That is regarded as negative by Apple fans. So yeah it makes sense why you feel there are a lot of haters.

Anecdotally, a lot of my friends who are in the Apple ecosystem have not been happy with Apple in the last few years. Food for thought.

I'm not saying it's just Macrumors. Macrumors is just the one I follow the most. But what I'm saying is that these online communities (even combined) aren't really representative of the entire Apple community globally. Not even close.

The objective data says that Apples customer satisfaction is very very high.

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If profits are what you’re citing when you refer to “delivering”, I’d agree.

Some of their products though have some large shortcomings from a user’s perspective. I think the people who cite profits as a basis for satisfaction are seeing things too much as black and white

I'm not referring to profits at all. I'm referring to the products themselves. The iPhone has been consistently improved upon. In case you forgot, this is where we were 10 years ago:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/07/10-years-of-iphones-a-timeline/


The Apple Watch is innovation. It's easily the best smartwatch on the market. I'll agree that Macs have been kinda meh, but then again so have pretty much all computers. They've been around a long time. The room for improvement gets smaller and smaller. I understand a lot of people would like to see prices come down. But that's not an innovation argument at all.
 
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Cook said that Apple is "rolling the dice" on some future products that will "blow you away.”

I certain hope so. With a massive new campus, they’re sure outputting less and less products these days. They seem to be discontinuing (eg: Airport) more than they are bringing something new to the market, other than a new, flashy color. Tim Cook’s era helming Apple is seemingly slow. He’s definitely not the, “why the #%@$ isn’t this done already,” CEO they need. They need more leadership surrounding, “What is MobileMe supposed to do? So why doesn’t it #%@$ing do that?!”
 
I certain hope so. With a massive new campus, they’re sure outputting less and less products these days. They seem to be discontinuing (eg: Airport) more than they are bringing something new to the market, other than a new, flashy color. Tim Cook’s era helming Apple is seemingly slow. He’s definitely not the, “why the #%@$ isn’t this done already,” CEO they need. They need more leadership surrounding, “What is MobileMe supposed to do? So why doesn’t it #%@$ing do that?!”

Meanwhile others complain about apple’s lack of focus and confusing product lines.

They can’t win with this crowd.
 
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Does Tim Cook really come across to you as someone working their fingers to the bone?

He does to me, judging by Apple's extremely high levels of success in multiple areas. Tim Cook working 80-100 hours/week wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
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I choose to believe that most on here love Apple, but some are just frustrated. It is fair to question Tim when he says such things. Yes, there have been some new things that are amazing. But also some things that are trumpeted as Earth shattering but not much more than tweaks. The tweaks or improvements may be good ones, but the hyperbole makes folks jaded and skeptical when such phrases as “blow you away” are trotted out constantly.
There is a core group of Apple lovers who feel frustrated, and have legitimate reason imho as far as Mac line (Mac Pro users who have stayed with Apple should NEVER have their loyalty to Apple questioned, lol).
I switched to Apple via Mac a long time ago and was truly “blown away”, with iPhone & iPad cementing it. But the recent Mac offerings - including dated hardware specs at premium price, soldered ram, recent reliability issues, and what seems like a form over function mentality - are frustrating. I do not expect Apple to stay stagnant and ignore the future , but there is demand for certain products that’s being neglected, despite true Apple fans’ ardent pleas.
Those who make ad hominem attacks are out of line, but the frustration behind such comments is often legitimate, even if wrongly and hurtfully expressed. Likewise those who point out true Apple successes, but attack posters who dare question anything Apple does, and tell them to “ love it or leave it”.
I just want Tim and Apple to give some clarity to their plans. We get scant info about Macs. If they intend to de-emphasize /or fold them into a iPad type product line, just say it. Folks can then accept and move on, happy or not, and do what works for them. And maybe there will be less unproductive dialogue on MR.
Sorry for long-winded, caffeine-induced rambling. “Can’t we all just get along?”
 
Time is running out for you. Your hackintosh cannot be upgraded to Mojave since it has no Nvidia support, T2-security ships and ARM CPUs coming dealing the final death blow.

Why not migrate completely to Windows right now?
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And people like you are so detached from the reality of investors.
Investors don't care about the Mac, or replaceable hardware, or CUDA support. They care more about Apple's service revenue than the entire Mac line.
That's why incorporating companies was a bad idea from the get go. The disconnect between shareholders and other stakeholders of a company (workers and nowadays more and more consumers) should never have happened. But maybe this discussion is going a tad too fare here.
 
Cook went on to say that Apple's eventual goal is to be able reduce the price of the 2018 Retina MacBook Air, which currently starts at $1,200.

To me this is another sign of Intel and Apple's relationship are at breaking point. I think NAND, DRAM Pricing, BOE LCD Display Panel, T2, are all falling in prices in the coming months and years. ( They are finally in a down trend cycle ). But the biggest component cost are still all Intel. CPU + Hub Controller + TB3 Controller. Even accounting for Apple's discount that is anywhere from $250 to $300 combined. For Apple, they ( likely ) want the MBA Retina hit the $999 price point, and that requires at least $100 discount from Intel. I just don't quite see that happening unless they decide to use Atom or switch to ARM.

In a perfect Scenario, Intel would continue working with Apple on 5G Modem even if it was like a break even project, ( or even a loss at the moment ), and keep Mac with x86, adding 5G Modem to all MacBook in the future. Intel in the mean time will hopefully force / find all other PC / Tablet manufacture to use their Modem, and tries to Battle out Qualcomm.

I am not sure if Intel wants to do that, they are now headed by a Finance guy, and lowering margin isn't something a Finance Guy would do. I am not too sure if Apple felt safe having iPhone's critical component being squeezed by Intel.

It will be interesting to watch how this unfold.
 
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Apple will never go back to a modular design for industry standard components; you will have to buy your propriety "modules" from Apple.

I actually would be ok with that -- if they'd just actually do it.

I want a Pro/desktop computer (non-iMac/screen included) that one way or another is indeed upgradeable in a way that isn't reliant on cables and dongles and docks and doesn't require replacing the entire machine.

I always loved the vision of a Mac Mini style "Pro Stack" that had a way of connecting the modules directly, probably with some type of proprietary connector, and was as reliable, consistent and fast as internal connections on tower computers.
 
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