Tim Cook to Receive Newseum's 2017 Free Expression Award

ibookg409 said:
Limiting someones ability to speak freely is directly an attack on their 1st amendment rights. It's wrong. No matter how deplorable they are. I lover how the left makes excuses for this. The man was invited to Berkeley and had a right to speak. I don't even know who this guy is but he had a right to speak. Anyone who supports this assault on the 1st Amendment is (insert suspension worthy description here).
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Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and just throw a party celebrating the fact that Milo wasn't able to utter his garbage :) Yay! So sorry the left is disappointing you so... time for you to head to Breitbart, I guess, and read all the racist crap you can.
 
budselectjr said:
Ah, you can't handle listening to other view points and need a safe space. How cute.
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I could care less about differing points of view. I know that challenging your own world view is great means to personal growth. I mainly just want to see civility and intelligent discussion on the forum instead of people incessantly flaming one another over politics and religion. There are much more pressing matters than having to wade through page-upon-page of name-calling, such as "Where's the Mac Pro?"
 
Hedwigg said:
Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and just throw a party celebrating the fact that Milo wasn't able to utter his garbage :) Yay! So sorry the left is disappointing you so... time to head to Breitbart, I guess, and read all the racist crap you can.
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"I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it". I guess the left only believes this when they are feeling oppressed. When they hear things they don't like it becomes " I may not agree with what you say, and when you try to say it I will protest and limit your 1st amendment right to free speech. Then we will start fires and call anyone racist who tries to defend the constitution."
 
Mr Cook cannot open his mouth without going into the political/troll subsection. It really looks like he's planning a political career and he's utilizing Apple for his career success. Sad, sad, sad.
 
I'm very happy to hear about this. I admire Cook's courage. He didn't have to move Apple toward renewable energy, just as he didn't have to stand up to the FBI. But he's making choices because he thinks they're the right things to do and will leave society a bit better than before. I hope more business leaders follow his lead.
 
I think this guy spends way too much time on his "political stuff" and should spend that time/effort on addressing issues like improving the quality of software releases (IOS 10 has had way too bug fixes since launch), or how about focusing more effort on a new MacBook Pro or Mac Pro.
 
ck2875 said:
There are much more pressing matters than having to wade through page-upon-page of name-calling, such as "Where's the Mac Pro?"
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Asking where something is, an inanimate object, is now name calling?

Um...oh boy....

That would explain your....position...

:rolleyes:
 
Hedwigg said:
I always love that about people like you... insulting others and then using their defense as a way to cry "OMG YOU'RE HURTING MY FEELINGS AND CALLING ME NAMES!" If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck... it's probably a racist. Bye, Felicia!
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Enjoy your mandatory vacation. Send us a postcard.

And again,

Congrats to Tim for this prestigious award.
 
TechGeek76 said:
Asking where something is, an inanimate object, is now name calling?

Um...oh boy....

That would explain your....position...

:rolleyes:
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Clarification of my poorly executed comma placement: "Where's the Mac Pro?" was an example of "more pressing matters"... not "name-calling"
 
What i
ck2875 said:
Freedom of Speech is a protection against the government retaliating or censoring what it's people say. Last I checked, no one has died fighting to say whatever they want on a privately owned tech forum and agree to abide by its rules or be banned. I never said my opinion was more valid... but I only mentioned the 100 post threshold since thats what it currently is set to for whatever reason.
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Are you sure?

What if somebody died getting a heart attack from the emotional not well thought out personal attacks when one has a different opinion.

The gyrations some go through in their heads are downright scary.

This is the first time in years I have seen a thread close.

Lots of click , yay if you are MR (assume that's not the kid they want), but the hate and viciousness mirror exactly what is going on in USA.

There will be no uniting or healing of wounds until it's over.
 
I find Milo a well-spoken idiot, possibly dangerous, and completely offensive. Yet, his views are a set of views a lot of people share. The public needs to be allowed to show their disdain for his ideas, just as much as they need to respect his right to speak his ideas, for evaluation, ridicule and scorn, however bad they are or offensive hearing them may be.

How do we have a generation of Americans and entire institutions who don't know how free speech works?

Public dialogue is the chopping block of ideas. If universities cower in fear of difficult of upsetting dialogue, they are not universities.
 
TechGeek76 said:
The "crimes" of Donald.

Oh boy.... Please, enlighten us to what "crimes" he's committed? o_O:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Well, besides the admitted ***** grabbing, the walking in on beauty pageant contestants, etc... there's also:

  • Racial housing discrimination in NYC between 1973-1975
  • Trump University being a complete fraud, 2005-2010
  • Tenant intimidation (shutting off their water, power, etc.) to remove rent-controlled tenants, 1982-1986
  • His refusal to release his tax returns, and his lying about them being reviewed by the IRS as a reason not to release them.
  • His undocumented Polish workers in 1980 that he barely paid for work, and now campaigning against undocumented workers because he's a hypocritical liar.
  • Marital rape.
  • Breaking casino rules in New Jersey and New York.
  • Antitrust violations in Atlantic City.
  • His refusal to pay contractors for their work.
  • The Trump foundation never making donations, even after he's said that he has.
And that's all (and much more) before he was elected... now that's he's president, he's:

  • Selling off national park land to drill for oil.
  • Lied to the American people, saying that Mexico is going to pay for "the wall".
  • Told the GOP to "go nuclear" and change the confirmation process for a supreme court justice nominee.
  • Threatened to invade Mexico for literally no reason whatsoever.
  • Had Sean Spicer reveal the name of a fallen Navy SEAL in a press conference.
  • Is working to nullify the Stream Protection Rule regarding pollution from coal mines.
  • Worked with the GOP to change committee rules to approve two of his nominations without any democrats voting.
  • Imposed a "Muslim ban" on countries in the Middle East, EXCEPT for those that he has business connections with.
  • Has made an oil executive billionaire the Secretary of State
  • Has nominated a billionaire as the head of education only because she's donated $200 million to his campaign.
And so much more. And yes, while I realize that *some* of these aren't technically crimes, they're cause for concern. But hey, call me a snowflake, say some nonsense about a safe space, and go on thinking you're right about everything, all while ignoring what's really happening in the world.
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ThunderSkunk said:
I find Milo a well-spoken idiot, possibly dangerous, and completely offensive. Yet, his views are a set of views a lot of people share. He public needs to be allowed to show their disdain for his ideas, and yet respect his right to speak his ideas, for evaluation, ridicule and scorn, however bad or offensive hearing them may be.

How do we have a generation of Americans and entire institutions who don't know how free speech works?

Public dialogue is the chopping block of ideas. If universities cower in fear of difficult of upsetting dialogue, they are not universities.
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They said the same thing about Hitler... then when he rose to power, there was a second world war.

There's a reason why some things aren't just passed off as "freedom of speech".
 
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ibookg409 said:
The law at issue is Title 18 Section 208 of the U.S. code. It says federal executive branch employees can’t participate in government matters in which they or their immediate family has a financial interest.
Because of this law, some federal employees put their investments in a blind trust. This allows them to sidestep the regulation and participate in a matter that might otherwise pose a conflict of interest.
But the president and the vice president, despite being executive branch employees, are exempt. According to the law’s definitions, Title 18 Section 208 does not apply to them, nor does it apply to members of Congress or federal judges.

You don't know what you're talking about. Read the actual law and get back to me. He has broken no laws. Educate yourself a little bit.
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Furthermore I left politics out of this thread, only making a little comment about the ultra thin trophy case Johnny Ive will be making for Tim. We can talk politics in another thread.
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are you having fun just quoting breitbart news? aka a white supremacy fake propaganda site?

we don't know what trump's financial interests are as he hasn't released his taxes. YOU dont know if he's violating or not violating until he shares this.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/19/51057...s-business-conflicts-nakedly-unconstitutional
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Nunyabinez said:
Not a Trump fan nor voter, but please elaborate on the "white agenda."
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Trump ran on making american white again. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/opinion/trump-making-america-white-again.html
 
ThunderSkunk said:
How do we have a generation of Americans and entire institutions who don't know how free speech works?
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Russia hacked all the young people.

But seriously, what do you expect from a group of people who needed puppies and coloring books after Trump was elected? Toddlers throw tantrums when they get upset. College lefties start fires. Both groups are children who can't cope. I can only justify one of those groups.
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ILuvEggplant said:
are you having fun just quoting breitbart news? aka a white supremacy fake propaganda site?

we don't know what trump's financial interests are as he hasn't released his taxes. YOU dont know if he's violating or not violating until he shares this.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/19/51057...s-business-conflicts-nakedly-unconstitutional
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Trump ran on making american white again. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/opinion/trump-making-america-white-again.html
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The law says that Trump CANT have a conflict of interest, so THERE IS NO LAW TO BREAK!!!!

Holy crap.
 
apolloa said:
Well you could do that, but then you are attempting to deliberately sensor freedom of speech. You know that little thing millions have died over the years fighting for!
What makes your opinion or anyone with over 100 posts MORE valid then anyone else huh?
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good question... freedom of speech is a right in the U.S. (where MR originates), but there's a difference between, a right and privilege.

  • A privilege is granted to a person (group) usually as a reward or condition of good behavior. We are privileged to be able to post on this board.
  • The privilege can be denied if we make the moderators unhappy. Also the moderators can reward upstanding members and allow them to post on certain boards (political, social issues). It can doesn't have to be fair, although they generally try to be.
I believe that @ck2875 is providing feedback to the mods about the board/thread discussing the U.S. President. That thread which was in the mods opinion, getting out hand and thus all posting privileges were suspended.
  • members weren't playing nice in the sandbox and the sandbox was closed.
ck2875's proposition is to do something about keeping the board discussion more civil - something that the mods desire. His (or her) proposed solution was to revisit the threshold. I do not feel his intent was to shutter opinions.

There are also other ways to grant the privilege (reward good behavior), such as you must be long time upstanding member, with certain number posts, and a track record of not having an offensive tone to your posts. The judges are the mods... and IMO, they have been very tolerant so far - give them too much work, and we'll lose these boards all together (discussion capabilities to all members are turned off for certain threads).
 
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Hedwigg said:
They said the same thing about Hitler... then when he rose to power, there was a second world war.

There's a reason why some things aren't just passed off as "freedom of speech".
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Wow. Way to minimize what those millions of people suffered through. You just sh*t on the graves and memories of all those people. Unbelievable. Mao is probably the only person in recent history who should be compared to Hitler. Just gross.
 
ThunderSkunk said:
Please refer to any history book written in the last 75 years for even a quick primer on the life and times of Adolf Hitler, before equating people to him so casually.
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Unfortunately, MSM used the word Hitler at some point and his type latched on like a leech and they will continue to parrot it for the next 4 years. He has no care to inform himself.
 
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