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They already said they won't release sales numbers. They sold out in 6 hours, which sounds pretty good to me.

Oh yeah, selling out in 6 hours *sounds* great when stock is incredibly limited. I'm sure if McDonalds made three Big Macs one day, they'd sell out in less than 30mins. So, that's a great success for McDonalds.
 
Oh yeah, selling out in 6 hours *sounds* great when stock is incredibly limited. I'm sure if McDonalds made three Big Macs one day, they'd sell out in less than 30mins. So, that's a great success for McDonalds.

Nobody knows if the stock was "incredibly limited" or the demand was very high. All we know at the moment is that there was insufficient stock to meet demand. People concluding anything else at this point, are just attempting to promote their own agenda.
 
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[...]pre-orders for the Apple Watch have been "great."
It doesn't compile on OS X. I'm getting this:
Code:
Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
  "great", referenced from:
      _main in watchparty.o
ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
 
They already said they won't release sales numbers. They sold out in 6 hours, which sounds pretty good to me.

He's just a fan of another company and his arguement was the worst I have ever seen on MR for depicting sales or lack of sales. Honestly, I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap a better argument than his.
 
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Nobody knows if the stock was "incredibly limited" or the demand was very high. All we know at the moment is that there was insufficient stock to meet demand. People concluding anything else at this point, is just an attempt at promoting their own agenda.

Agreed. Apple already said that supplies will be tight at the start and that is why they were limiting orders to online. They also said they expect that strong customer demand will exceed their supply at launch. So, it makes sense that orders were pushing out 4-6 weeks. But once you start pushing out to 2+ months, you are seeing stronger than planned for sure - as they predicted.

There is one indicator that sales were way better than expected and that is the watch bands. We have over a month wait for watch bands and those are not hard to make when compared to the watch itself. It's no indication of a number, but with bands delayed a month and even two for some, they must have sold way more than expected.

We have no idea if they sold 1mm or 200,000 or whatever. Analysts expected 1mm over the first weekend (4/24 weekend) and that includes pre-release. Though these same analysts were off by 5-30mm with the iPhone 6/6+ launch. In fact, there was only one analysts that was even close to sales.

Anyone who pretended to say a smile was a good sign or bad sign is guessing and anyone saying the word "great" is a bad sign or good sign is also guessing. It's safe to say the demand was greater than the supply and that is it... No one is predicting that the Apple Watch will sell as much as the iPhone. Though it may sell more than that other product released yesterday. :D:p

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yarp -

have you not heard of great britain?

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anti apple **** because of the wristpod

anti Tim? I'm not sure there are gounds yet.

It's safe to assume Tim Cook is a great man...



Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook is joining the roster of the very rich who are giving away their wealth.

Fortune magazine cited the head of the world's largest technology corporation as saying he planned to donate his estimated $785 million fortune to charity - after paying for his 10-year-old nephew's college education.

"You want to be the pebble in the pond that creates the ripples for change," Cook told the magazine.
 
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those, who got cancelled orders: probably somebody with the same name like yours ordered already somewhere.

Wow, a no-fly list for Apple Watch purchases! Angela really is the retail super villain Samsung have been waiting for to ruin Apple.
 
The fact that it so quickly slipped to June makes me wonder if the rumors about yield issues and a 70% defect rate at one point are true. I'm guessing that the March 9 event was planned a long time in advance (six months after the first unveiling) and that initially Apple wanted to start the presale later that week but pushed it back a month to build up the initial inventory.
 
The fact that it so quickly slipped to June makes me wonder if the rumors about yield issues and a 70% defect rate at one point are true. I'm guessing that the March 9 event was planned a long time in advance (six months after the first unveiling) and that initially Apple wanted to start the presale later that week but pushed it back a month to build up the initial inventory.

Very possible and I doubt we will ever know - though, I think you are exactly right. More of a stall as long as you can to build up supply. Apple sure isn't going to tell us and they said they won't announce at earnings so maybe we will just get a word like sales are good... err, extraordinary. Piper Jaffray predicted 300,000 in the first 24 hours of the pre-sale and 1M on the first weekend (4/24) and 2.3M by June quarter. They can be off by 500% up or down. :)
 
Very possible and I doubt we will ever know - though, I think you are exactly right. More of a stall as long as you can to build up supply. Apple sure isn't going to tell us and they said they won't announce at earnings so maybe we will just get a word like sales are good... err, extraordinary. Piper Jaffray predicted 300,000 in the first 24 hours of the pre-sale and 1M on the first weekend (4/24) and 2.3M by June quarter. They can be off by 500% up or down. :)

What's interesting is that some styles like the pink modern buckle and 42mm space black are now pushed back to July. The modern buckle also is not yet even available to order separately. I'm guessing that they got more orders either by or for women than they expected (hence the pink modern buckle July estimate). Those sales won't even register until the next fiscal quarter. That isn't "holding back to create scarcity." That's genuine scarcity. It's 3 months out.
 
celebs apparently love it too and I doubt they had to pay a cent for their Edition Watch
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next up... Kim Kardashian
 
Nobody knows if the stock was "incredibly limited" or the demand was very high. All we know at the moment is that there was insufficient stock to meet demand. People concluding anything else at this point, are just attempting to promote their own agenda.

There is more than 1 way to say this - each with it's own agenda...

'Insufficient stock to meet demand' or
'Overwhelming demand compared to stock available'

Both sound different. #1 seems blames Apple, #2 seems to say the watch is successful. Neither are 'spin', but both are.
 
There is more than 1 way to say this - each with it's own agenda...

'Insufficient stock to meet demand' or
'Overwhelming demand compared to stock available'

Both sound different. #1 seems blames Apple, #2 seems to say the watch is successful. Neither are 'spin', but both are.

That seems to sum it up quite nicely and with the least amount of words :) I'm a big fan of apple and I don't "think" they had millions of watches available when there were something like 62 possible configurations. I believe they sold a lot, but I am not sure what "a lot" actually equals. If you read Apple news and stories, they are really into "big data analysis" and learning what someone wants and where they are clicking to get estimates, but nothing will ever be better than actual orders to see where the biggest interest is...

My guess is the 42mm Sport Space Gray was the top seller.
 
Suppose they expect to sell 20 million this year, and 5 million people want it on day 1. So you say they should have had 5 million ready on day 1. That's not how supply chains work as far as I know.
To start with, what if there's an initial production line issue that gets picked up once customers have the device? Throw away 5 million units?
And there's 30-ish different models. How would Apple know the relative numbers of each to make? (They'll have an idea, but they can't know for sure)
I'm just thinking off the top of my head. Maybe ask an expert in supply-chain management instead. Oh yeah, like Tim...

He's the world's worst supply chain management expert IMO. If they tested their products more thoroughly before release and didn't always use the cheapest manufacturer they can find then they wouldn't have to worry about product problems.

You don't just start manufacturing 5 million units and discover a production line issue. You test manufacture a batch of products to iron out any problems in the pre-production phase of the product development. Then once everything is sorted and you have sufficient components and production capacity you start to mass manufacturing.

Apple is always trying to do things on the cheap, cut costs, squeeze their suppliers for every extra cent of profit. That is why they have so many problems like this. If they had a decent management team who weren't only interested in their growing cash mountain and actually cared about their customers we wouldn't have these problems time and time again.
 
He's the world's worst supply chain management expert IMO. If they tested their products more thoroughly before release and didn't always use the cheapest manufacturer they can find then they wouldn't have to worry about product problems.

You don't just start manufacturing 5 million units and discover a production line issue. You test manufacture a batch of products to iron out any problems in the pre-production phase of the product development. Then once everything is sorted and you have sufficient components and production capacity you start to mass manufacturing.

Apple is always trying to do things on the cheap, cut costs, squeeze their suppliers for every extra cent of profit. That is why they have so many problems like this. If they had a decent management team who weren't only interested in their growing cash mountain and actually cared about their customers we wouldn't have these problems time and time again.

maybe they just like making product launches seem as if they're a month long thing instead of one day.

and yes, the negative voices (i.e.- you) play a role in the hype machine as well.
 
I was at the Apple store last night and people were definitely all flocking around and checking out the Apple Watches on display. People seemed to be most interested in checking out all of the various styles. I can't say how many of these translated to preorders, but people have a general interest in it.

Sadly, this interest was greater than the nice sleek MacBooks they had out. They were very interesting, definitely loved the small form factor but maybe didn't love the price as much.

I will say this, if the Apple watch isn't a hit initially, I'm calling for the Apple Watch 2 to be a 'perfected' home run.
 
He's the world's worst supply chain management expert IMO. ...

Except that most everybody else in the world is even worse. Name some other operations managers who ship approximately the weight of a Boeing 787 in complex assembled products every day. Maybe GM and Toyota, but they aren't anywhere near as profitable as Apple (which means their manufacturing costs relative to their selling price is far worse).
 
It doesn't compile on OS X. I'm getting this:
Code:
Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
  "great", referenced from:
      _main in watchparty.o
ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status

Hahaha, well done :cool:

The object file name is a nice touch. :D
 
Steve showed up at stores wearing a tee shirt?
Of course not, he would never wear something as ordinary as a T-shirt. He wore a black turtleneck instead.

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one would think if the pre-orders were truly great, they would be shouting it form the rooftops with extreme excitement.

instead apple is taking the diplomatic approach. apple never takes the diplomatic approach.
You mean they always published the sales numbers of their products, eg, for the Apple TV? It took a few years before they published the first sales numbers for the Apple TV and until today they were only cumulative numbers of all Apple TVs sold since the beginning (after you have gotten a few of those you can certainly calculate the delta but the intervals were quite long, about once a year and not the same month, far from the quarterly numbers of iPhone sales).

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Did they do that with the iPhone 6? If not, why should the watch be any different?
They already have announced that they won't publish any sales numbers of the Apple Watch. If I remember it correctly, they will only report their revenue for a category called devices which includes iPods as well as Apple Watches (and maybe other products).

Their rational is that compared to the iPhone, the sales numbers will most likely look small and might look really small. And because they aren't very sure themselves, they are playing safe.
 
celebs apparently love it too and I doubt they had to pay a cent for their Edition Watch
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next up... Kim Kardashian

God I doubt early adopters care if celebrities wear it. And it actually bothers me they probably got there watches for free...

I really dislike this type of advertising.
 
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