Tim Cook's Pay Was $1.5 Million Less in 2016 as Apple Missed its Own Performance Targets

[DevNull0]

USB C is the future like it or not.

Very, very likely, yes USB-C is the future. And I like it. USB-C is great.

But USB-A is the present. And only an idiot would design or buy a computer that only has ports that will probably be useful in the future and no ports that are useful today without dongles.

 

[manhattanboy]

Many laptops are commoditized. Apple's are not.

"Nice to know you think that the MBP group had no idea what the iPhone group was planning and vice versa, and moreover really nice to know that you think it is acceptable to introduce user problems where there were none before."

That's apparently your opinion, your words typed on your keyboard, certainly not something I claimed or typed. That's a silly premise.


"I am all in favor of the new USB-C standard, but then why not ship the iPhone 7 with a USB-C port or at very least make the lightening to power charger cable use USB-C. "

Because if Apple shipped the iPhone 7 with a USB C cable, the hundreds of millions of people owning computers without USB C interfaces, the majority of computers at the moment, would whine. It sounds like you are not aware that USB C is relatively new.

The extraordinarily simple solution is to buy a tiny and highly rated USB A to USB C adapter for $4. Keep the adapter plugged in to your USB A to Lightning cable all the time and you'll always be good to go.

Not sure what you are arguing about anymore. If the solution to a user problem apple knew was going to be a significant issue was a $4 dongle then why not include it when the laptop shipped?
At the end of the day it seems like you approve completely of the job Tim Cook and company is doing. You called me out in your previous post for suggesting apple put more foresight into interoperability between their products, especially there newly released ones. I still have yet to see a convincing rebuttal from you suggesting that what Apple has done was the superior course.

 

[I7guy]

Yes and it was easily fixable with a restart or the ipconfig/release command and renew commands.If your PC has a BSOD,if its a software issue you can bypass the issue through safe mode with networking and roll back the update.Unlike Microsoft,Apple sent updates which literally rendered the devices dead

Now Tell me what I should do when an iOS update totally bricks my iPad and I don't have another instrument handy.I will wait

Let's roll back the clock to antennagate the most embarrassing mistake of jobs. May not have bricked the device but it needed a case to be used to work. No control alt delete for that. At least with Tim devices could be fixed.
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If USB C is the future why is the iPhone still on lightning and still cant be connected to an MacBook Pro out of box

What does "out of the box" means. I only care that I can connect it, period.

 

[Paul Dawkins]

It seems that some people are blind and can't see Apple is having problems. Apple is too big to just be gone tomorrow, but it is looking more and more like 90's might repeat. If nothing changes fundamentally the death will be slow and very painful.

 

[I7guy]

As long as people are buying and using their services, they'll be fine. The company has grown massively under Tim and I see this as a transition period getting their products sorted out.

The difference between now and the 90s, is the size, revenue and number of customers and cash on hand globally.

 

[Paul Dawkins]

As long as people are buying and using their services, they'll be fine. The company has grown massively under Tim and I see this as a transition period getting their products sorted out.

The difference between now and the 90s, is the size, revenue and number of customers and cash on hand globally.

The difference will be just amount of time it will take.

 

[I7guy]

The difference will be just amount of time it will take.

Or not.

 

[jaymie1983]

Oh diddums here's the worlds smalest violin providing the theme music to a post peak former glory

 

[citysnaps]

Not sure what you are arguing about anymore. If the solution to a user problem apple knew was going to be a significant issue was a $4 dongle then why not include it when the laptop shipped?
At the end of the day it seems like you approve completely of the job Tim Cook and company is doing. You called me out in your previous post for suggesting apple put more foresight into interoperability between their products, especially there newly released ones. I still have yet to see a convincing rebuttal from you suggesting that what Apple has done was the superior course.

No. What I'm suggesting is no matter which of the three choices Apple could have made on this matter, people would have whined.

Transition periods are not new. At some point the user needs to take responsibility for their situation. If you can't handle a $4 adapter after spending $$$$ for a new computer, well, there's not much else I could say to address the problem. In that case, whine on.

 

[Razeus]

Tim Crook is a nickname well earned.

 

[captaingadget]

And all Apple employees got for Christmas was a t-shirt

 

[DevNull0]

Let's roll back the clock to antennagate the most embarrassing mistake of jobs. May not have bricked the device but it needed a case to be used to work. No control alt delete for that. At least with Tim devices could be fixed.

Still making up things as fact? Antennagate the most embarrassing mistake of Jobs? Personally, I'd say being ousted from Apple by a guy you hired is more embarrassing.

Also, Jobs released an iTunes update that would reformat the HDD of everyone who had multiple partitions. That would have been a lot more embarrassing. http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/OSX/itunes2_erased_drives.html

I owned an iPhone 4, and angennagate really was mostly a non-issue. I never got the ugly bumper or used any case on it and never had a problem. So I can see Steve's point. I've had my share of issues with Apple products, but really, to say antennagate was the most embarrassing mistake of jobs? That's so untrue.
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What does "out of the box" means. I only care that I can connect it, period.

Now that is embarrassing. You buy the latest model iPhone, and the latest model MacBook Pro, and you can't connect the two without an optional accessory. Thats just pathetic.
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Transition periods are not new. At some point the user needs to take responsibility for their situation. If you can't handle a $4 adapter after spending $$$$ for a new computer, well, there's not much else I could say to address the problem. In that case, whine on.

Painful transitions are unique to Apple.

My PC had a VGA port up until the one I bought in 2013 even though monitors and computers started having DVI and then HDMI and DisplayPort connections more than 10 years ago. My 5 year old monitor still has a VGA port along with DVI and Display port.

My 2015 computer and 2016 monitor finally don't have VGA, but the transition was a non-issue because the options existed until no longer needed.

USB is not really even in a transition yet, that's coming. It's still all USB-A with USB-C a minor thing coming out that will probably replace it. The transition is still coming in the future and Apple jumping to USB-C now just make them look like idiots who don't know what a computer is for. Otherwise how do you explain that 95% of devices are still USB-A, and USB-C is an expensive hard to find option.

 

[I7guy]

Still making up things as fact? Antennagate the most embarrassing mistake of Jobs? Personally, I'd say being ousted from Apple by a guy you hired is more embarrassing.

Also, Jobs released an iTunes update that would reformat the HDD of everyone who had multiple partitions. That would have been a lot more embarrassing. http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/OSX/itunes2_erased_drives.html

I owned an iPhone 4, and angennagate really was mostly a non-issue. I never got the ugly bumper or used any case on it and never had a problem. So I can see Steve's point. I've had my share of issues with Apple products, but really, to say antennagate was the most embarrassing mistake of jobs? That's so untrue.
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Now that is embarrassing. You buy the latest model iPhone, and the latest model MacBook Pro, and you can't connect the two without an optional accessory. Thats just pathetic.
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Painful transitions are unique to Apple.

My PC had a VGA port up until the one I bought in 2013 even though monitors and computers started having DVI and then HDMI and DisplayPort connections more than 10 years ago. My 5 year old monitor still has a VGA port along with DVI and Display port.

My 2015 computer and 2016 monitor finally don't have VGA, but the transition was a non-issue because the options existed until no longer needed.

USB is not really even in a transition yet, that's coming. It's still all USB-A with USB-C a minor thing coming out that will probably replace it. The transition is still coming in the future and Apple jumping to USB-C now just make them look like idiots who don't know what a computer is for. Otherwise how do you explain that 95% of devices are still USB-A, and USB-C is an expensive hard to find option.

So an opinion = making stuff up? Got it. And great if you personally never had an issue with the 4 but there was a lawsuit.

And really I dont care if I have to buy a dongle. It is such a non-issue to me.

 

[DevNull0]

So an opinion = making stuff up? Got it. And great if you personally never had an issue with the 4 but there was a lawsuit.

You posted it pretending it was fact, not opinion.

And in America, you can have a lawsuit if someone doesn't like the colors you sell the phone in. That doesn't mean anything.

 

[I7guy]

You posted it pretending it was fact, not opinion.

And in America, you can have a lawsuit if someone doesn't like the colors you sell the phone in. That doesn't mean anything.

It was a fact that that jobs had to deal with something called antennagate, free cases and a lawsuit ensured withjobs saying in essences: "you're holding it wrong" and people claiming they can't make phone calls. So it is a fact that something called antenna gate is in the history of Apple.

 

[DevNull0]

It was a fact that that jobs had to deal with something called antennagate, free cases and a lawsuit ensured withjobs saying in essences: "you're holding it wrong" and people claiming they can't make phone calls. So it is a fact that something called antenna gate is in the history of Apple.

Yet you said it was fact that it was the most embarrassing thing jobs ever did. Now you're trying to pretend otherwise.

Jobs did way more embarrassing things than saying "you're holding it wrong".

 

[I7guy]

Yet you said it was fact that it was the most embarrassing thing jobs ever did. Now you're trying to pretend otherwise.

Jobs did way more embarrassing things than saying "you're holding it wrong".

What nonsense. it's my interpretation of the jobs era. There might have been worse things but this was most embarrassing for Apple. What do you think was more embarrassing in the jobs era other than maps and forestall.

 

[DevNull0]

What nonsense. it's my interpretation of the jobs era. There might have been worse things but this was most embarrassing for Apple. What do you think was more embarrassing in the jobs era other than maps and forestall.

I listed a couple that were more embarrassing in my original reply to your made up "fact".

I know you feel qualified to comment on what Steve Jobs really meant after listening to 15% of a video and feeling you don't understand what he's saying, but please try to read a post before you reply to it. If you won't read a post, why do you feel it's a good idea to reply to it?

 

[I7guy]

I listed a couple that were more embarrassing in my original reply to your made up "fact".

I know you feel qualified to comment on what Steve Jobs really meant after listening to 15% of a video and feeling you don't understand what he's saying, but please try to read a post before you reply to it. If you won't read a post, why do you feel it's a good idea to reply to it?

So an iTunes bug that affects some users trumps "antennagate"? a highly anticipated product marred by someone who "some people" viewed as above reproach? That's not the way things work.

Funnt talk about who is qualified or not to answer a post.

 

[DevNull0]

So an iTunes bug that affects some users trumps "antennagate"? a highly anticipated product marred by someone who "some people" viewed as above reproach? That's not the way things work.

Still having reading comprehension issues?

That "bug" was completely erasing the hard drive; every bit of data wiped. For every single user who had more than one partition. It wasn't "some iTunes bug that affects some users".

It was an embarrassingly simplistic mistake. Easy to find, debug, troubleshoot, and fix. Yet it was released to the public.

 

[fourthtunz]

The difference will be just amount of time it will take.

I can't say that I'm I Tim Cook fan or that I disagree with you, but I love my Apple stuff and
hope they at some point will wake up a smell the coffee and correct course!
Hopefully sooner than later!

 

[I7guy]

Still having reading comprehension issues?

That "bug" was completely erasing the hard drive; every bit of data wiped. For every single user who had more than one partition. It wasn't "some iTunes bug that affects some users".

It was an embarrassingly simplistic mistake. Easy to find, debug, troubleshoot, and fix. Yet it was released to the public.

that isn't the point that some people lost data, on the scale of things this imo, outweighed that iTunes bug as it was a direct reflection on jobs, not so much the iTunes bug.

 

[DevNull0]

that isn't the point that some people lost data, on the scale of things this imo, outweighed that iTunes bug as it was a direct reflection on jobs, not so much the iTunes bug.

So to be clear, you're saying 1 million people with dropped calls as a problem outweighs 100 thousand people having their hard drives wiped?

Because of Jobs flippant comment.

 

[I7guy]

So to be clear, you're saying 1 million people with dropped calls as a problem outweighs 100 thousand people having their hard drives wiped?

Because of Jobs flippant comment.

To be clear I'm saying nine years later in 2010 no one cares. Those who do arentoday using android. It's old news, history. 2010 Apple with great fanfare releases a new iPhone to "antennagate". Cases and lawsuit follow.

 

[IndigoDesign]

Sorry, but with that kind of numbers one can only wonder when this crazy consumerism-capitalist will finally go down burning like the Hindenburg. What is anyone doing to rightfully EARN that kind of money over some guy working his ass off in a factory?