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IMO, that's a nice bit of hyperbole, but nothing else. But I agree, I'm sure Tim gets a good nights sleep, he has to. Running apple according to what's wanted on MacRumors isn't an easy task between the polarizing opinions.:D
A bit of hyperbole? It's complete garbage. But that's what this place has turned into so I guess I'm not surprised. :rolleyes:
 
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Wow. Did you actually listen to the words coming out of Steve jobs mouth? There is nothing hindsight about it, it's about the present of all companies, tech and otherwise. It even explains how the CEO of Burberry managed to sneak her way onto the exec team.
For about 30 seconds, I can't relate to him, which is why I'm not attached to the old apple. But that doesn't take away any contribution he made in this world.
 
If US is most important, why is Timmy kissing the butts of India and China while giving American his middle finger?

I talk Mac because it's what matters to me. I don't own an iPhone because I'm just not interested. And I'm not an android fan either. I have old phone and nothing current remotely interests me.

I do buy a lot computers. My first mac was bought in 1999 and between 2002 and 2011 I averaged one mac a year, usually alternating desktop and powerbook/macbook. My most recent mac is a 2012 mini i7 quadcore bought in 2014 from the refurb store right after the 2014's came out (the only refurb I ever bought).



Samsung does not give away any phones for $0. If they do, put me down for 100.

I see that profit comment a lot and it makes no sense to me. Why does it make you happy to buy the product that makes the highest profit for its maker? By definition you're saying the most overpriced phone (relative to the value of parts you're buying) is the best one.

He is only cosying up to India and China as long as they are potential revenue generators as the US market as been saturated.He will bid them goodbye once he has extracted as much as he can from them
 
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For about 30 seconds, I can't relate to him, which is why I'm not attached to the old apple. But that doesn't take away any contribution he made in this world.

Okay, so basically you watch about 15% of the video of Steve Jobs, decide you can't relate to him, and based on that 15% you're able to dismiss the entire video as nothing but hindsight (which couldn't be further from the truth).

And you expect people to take you seriously?
 
Are you basing this on his presentation skills? I think the CEO needs to be able to do a lot more than wow the audience at Apple keynote events.
He does, but perception also counts for a whole lot these days.
 
You mean he's not concerned that sales are falling across the board and he's lost a few million in compensation as a consequence? Maybe that's why things are heading south for Apple (and their customers)! :eek:

Failing across the board I think your way over exaggerating it there! :rolleyes:
 
I don't see Cook metaphorically giving America the middle finger. .
Is that why China gets an exclusive wallpaper for NYE and we dont nor does any other country for that matter.Is that why Timmy invested more in a Dudu Chuxing than Uber or Lyft?Tim should just build that spaceship of his in China considering thats the only thing he cares about
 
No, I'm not:

Apple made over 200 BILLION, I would hardly call that failing. Other companies can only dream of that kind of revenue. Now if that was every year that they declined then yea I would agree there was a problem, but iPhone sales were going to be down anyway due to the pent up demand with the 6 and so on. I think this year it's likely that they will return to normal with sales on the iPhone 8.
 
Is that why China gets an exclusive wallpaper for NYE and we dont nor does any other country for that matter.Is that why Timmy invested more in a Dudu Chuxing than Uber or Lyft?Tim should just build that spaceship of his in China considering thats the only thing he cares about
Maybe apple approached them and they said no. Maybe US regulations prevented apple from getting a good ROI.

Just more hyperbole, since you don't know anything about what Tim cares about.
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No, I'm not:
What other company could revenue fall to only $47B in a quarter and have it be doom and gloom for the company?
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Okay, so basically you watch about 15% of the video of Steve Jobs, decide you can't relate to him, and based on that 15% you're able to dismiss the entire video as nothing but hindsight (which couldn't be further from the truth).

And you expect people to take you seriously?
I have my opinions as do you. But you raise a point. Do you ask yourself, do people take "me" seriously? Do you care if they don't or who doesn't on an anonymous internet forum with millions of members?
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He is only cosying up to India and China as long as they are potential revenue generators as the US market as been saturated.He will bid them goodbye once he has extracted as much as he can from them
this is what all companies do. Whats your point?
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You mean he's not concerned that sales are falling across the board and he's lost a few million in compensation as a consequence? Maybe that's why things are heading south for Apple (and their customers)! :eek:
I'm a customer, can you tell me why apple is heading south for me?
 
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Maybe apple approached them and they said no. Maybe US regulations prevented apple from getting a good ROI.
The entire Internet is filled with "Apple deals a blow to Uber" so no it wasnt them who said no


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sts-1-billion-in-uber-s-china-competitor-didi

"Apple Backs Didi With $1 Billion in Blow to Uber in China"

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/05/13/apples-didi-investment-a-blow-to-uber/

"Apple’s Didi investment a blow to Uber"

http://www.euronews.com/2016/05/13/...-hailing-service-didi-chuxing-in-blow-to-uber

"Apple says it has made a big investment in the dominant Chinese ride-hailing service Didi Chuxing, dealing a major blow to its rival Uber."
"Apple-Didi aftermath: How devastating is the $1B investment for Uber?"

Timmy even travelled with the CEO of Didi to cosy up to China

If this isnt a middle finger I dont know what is

US investment laws stricter than China?I hope you realise what you just said
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this is what all companies do. Whats your point?
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That Jobs wouldnt cosy up to China like Timmy.
 
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The entire Internet is filled with "Apple deals a blow to Uber" so no it wasnt them who said no


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sts-1-billion-in-uber-s-china-competitor-didi

"Apple Backs Didi With $1 Billion in Blow to Uber in China"

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/05/13/apples-didi-investment-a-blow-to-uber/

"Apple’s Didi investment a blow to Uber"

http://www.euronews.com/2016/05/13/...-hailing-service-didi-chuxing-in-blow-to-uber

"Apple says it has made a big investment in the dominant Chinese ride-hailing service Didi Chuxing, dealing a major blow to its rival Uber."
"Apple-Didi aftermath: How devastating is the $1B investment for Uber?"

Timmy even travelled with the CEO of Didi to cosy up to China

If this isnt a middle finger I dont know what is

US investment laws stricter than China?Seriosuly?
All of this is hubris. No one really knows what happened, except the deal didn't happen for whatever reason.

Apple (or any other company) is under no obligation to invest in any american company if they don't feel it's a good roi.

I could give a hoot, that Timmy was with another CEO and he should be drumming up business worldwide.

But this is more of apple damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Jobs wouldn't release a bigger phone, which catapulted apple into the most valuable company in the world.
 
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No, I'm not:


Basically.


Apple most likely projected several goals.

More people off iPhone 5 and 6. this target missed I would wager. I like many am on 6 and see no reason to switch. my 6 will run till it dies and apple stops sending out replacements.

IPP probably had higher goals for sales I'd wager.

Not enough hungry for the 2016...and with some lackluster releases prior people are going man...lets roll the dice on this 2011 or 2012 or maybe 2013 one more year. C.mon baby girl...give daddy/mommy another year.

Apple to me likes to see high adoption rates of new tech. Now they may may be making some mad bank...issue is they seem to me for development reasons want the "legacy" stuff gone. Makes those end of life calls easier when they can run the numbers and go well we are putting off 5% of our use base.

5% can grumble, bitch, whine complain and moan...if they leave oh well. Lots of legacy running around....there in staff meetings is the debate of the day. We have for arguments sake and purely out of thin air 25% on some old stuff.

Do we EOL this this year...or hope this year better for refreshes. Since 25% gets problematic to to tell and go pound sand, **** and just accept and move on. When you meet goals. get that legacy put out to pasture this EOL decision gets easier.

Also for some design calls I'd wager these goals made to justify their planned success. So you want to pull 3.5 jack? Okay....risky move, dare we say a gamble. Tell us Tim (said the boards and such...joys of public traded company...even the CEO has people they answer too)...give us a number to show your gamble has some credence in our 2017 meetings.

With a missed goal...one possible outlook is this was not the seller he though it was. Means in theory in some conference room some of the board will be going yeah...Tim, you guaranteed X units bought. So wth happened here?
 
Apple made over 200 BILLION, I would hardly call that failing.
I wrote "sales are falling across the board", and fall they did as demonstrated in the referenced quote, which ultimately come from Apple themselves.
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I'm a customer, can you tell me why apple is heading south for me?
Geez, are you serious? C'mon! Let's see:
  • No new Mac desktops
  • Dropping of Apple accessories such as routers and monitors
  • Dumbing down or completely dropping professional-grade software
  • Boring new iPhone
  • Languishing iPad environment/ecosystem (meaning tablet-specific environment; how is the iPad different from a large iPhone? Why doesn't iOS make use of the larger environment? Etc)
  • Complete change of focus on 'halo' Watch product, scrambling to find a niche
  • Constant product shortages at launch
  • Significant QA decline, from software bugs to physical problems (eg. scratches on brand new expensive MacBook Pros, failing speakers, et al)
  • Higher prices not in tune with any rate of inflation I know of except possibly Venezuela
And these are just off the top of my head.
 
I wrote "sales are falling across the board", and fall they did as demonstrated in the referenced quote, which ultimately come from Apple themselves.
[doublepost=1483888829][/doublepost]Geez, are you serious? C'mon! Let's see:
  • No new Mac desktops
  • Dropping of Apple accessories such as routers and monitors
  • Dumbing down or completely dropping professional-grade software
  • Boring new iPhone
  • Languishing iPad environment/ecosystem (meaning tablet-specific environment; how is the iPad different from a large iPhone? Why doesn't iOS make use of the larger environment? Etc)
  • Complete change of focus on 'halo' Watch product, scrambling to find a niche
  • Constant product shortages at launch
  • Significant QA decline, from software bugs to physical problems (eg. scratches on brand new expensive MacBook Pros, failing speakers, et al)
  • Higher prices not in tune with any rate of inflation I know of except possibly Venezuela
And these are just off the top of my head.
I don't care about Mac desktops. I don't care about routers or monitors. I don't use their "professional" software.

On the other hand, I "love" the iphone 7 and 6s, ("love" as in easy to use).

As far as the ipad, when was it ever different than the iphone starting in 2010. (Steve did that one).

Complete change of focus of Watch product, nope.

Product shortages, have been there for years.

QA decline, don't see it. On the other hand IOS 10 is fantastic. If you want to say something, the micro-stutter should have been resolved since ios 9.

Higher price, on what, the iphone? Mac?

So basically that is *your* laundry list of gripes. Mine is a different list.
 
The Samsung Gear 3 looks more like something that Steve "would have approved" than the Apple Watch.


Only problem with the Samsung is that it's a bit too large, but GUI and control is much better
 
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