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Well, actually there was some language indicated that features were subject to change. And, the technical reasoning behind it appears to be fairly sound. It seems that Apple ran into a hurdle, realized it could do more harm than good, and removed a possible feature.

Well this is like arguing about the meaning of 'is'. I used to let Apple slide on various bone headed things they did, but they are doing so many things now to screw loyal customers it makes me wonder if they are doing them on purpose. Many people bought AEBS with the explicit purpose of using it as a wireless backup device. I almost did, but luckily held off mainly because I was too busy to do all the research needed. The reason AEBS can't be used a TM device is because the airdisk is fundamentally broken at the moment. I'm sure if Apple were to just fix the Airdisk so it would actually work (try copying a large file to one if you have it and see if it completes w/o the file being corrupted) then the TM issues would mysteriously go away.
 
So has ANYONE on this forum got theirs yet?

Yeah man, I picked mine up at an Apple Store at lunch. I have not seen a way to partition the Time Capsule disk through airport utility. Maybe I'm missing something. And I have a USB disk from my older airport extreme available via afp through a dynamic dns. It works fine, so I imagine you can do the same with time capsule.
 
With respect to your second point, one could argue that for a completely secure back-up solution, the external drive should be stored off-site. ;)

At home, the risks other than hardware failure are: Theft and destruction of my home. Time Capsule would solve the theft problem, because I can store the Time Capsule in the loft, or hide it under my bed, anywhere a thief won't find it. For the home destruction problem (that must be _some_ destruction for the Time Capsule to die): In that case, the loss of data is probably not my biggest problem :(
 
I love Apple and am generally an apologist for almost every action they take that folks complain about. However, they screwed Airport Extreme Base Station customers on this one (including me), because they were explicit in their advertising that this would work. If Time Machine works to Time Capsule, it should work to a USB-attached AEBS drive.

I bought a AEBS 3 weeks before TC was announced.
I returned it, no questions asked.
But now that it is here, I am beginning to wonder if it will meet my needs.

1. Storing all media files (music, movies, etc.) that are accessible by 2 separate Accounts on one MacBook.
2. Backing up both of those accounts - which brings up a question: does TM back up my entire Mac or just the User Account that initiates said backup? Meaning do I need to run TM from my account and my wife from hers, or will one backup do the whole computer?

Additional questions...
3. Can I store media files AND backup to the same TC drive?
4. When TC's drive is full of backups, are you done? Can you reformat the drive and start all over?

Obviously, I'm new to the backup/shared drive concept.
Any tips are appreciated.

TIA.
 
I will be interested to see what those who breakdown the parts if there is a new controller for the external drive. If not it should just be a firmware update to the old AEBS to get USB drives to work. That being said, I wouldn't put it past Apple to disable this simply to "keep the lines separate". (and make an extra buck off loyal customers)

I agree and it wouldn't be the first time. :eek:
 
I love Apple and am generally an apologist for almost every action they take that folks complain about. However, they screwed Airport Extreme Base Station customers on this one (including me), because they were explicit in their advertising that this would work. If Time Machine works to Time Capsule, it should work to a USB-attached AEBS drive.
Yup. If they can make these Time capsules work for backups (with the internal AND external drives), they could sure as heck make the AEBS work too. Its a bunch of horsecrap if you ask me. Apple needs sued over this one. They obviously crippled it on purpose.

Anyways, these Time Capsules are a BAD idea. There's no way to upgrade the internal hard drive & Time Machine is a gigabyte-eating monster that keeps growing & growing. So the whole premise of these is just absurd & was only made so Apple can have another revenue stream & mooch off people who don't know any better.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but thats the obvious truth.
 
Can we have some speed benchmarks? I have a Mac Mini and a Macbook. It's pretty much impossible to transfer files larger than 100 MB from one to another because it takes forever and usually stalls after a few MB, sometimes with "disconnected" errors. The Mac Mini is hooked up via 100 Mbit Ethernet to the Router, Macbook is on Wireless g (54 Mb/s) with full bars all the time. Any help?
Thats strange, I have been using my mac mini as a file/media server for months, never had any problems with the speed or file transfers. I use g on my mbp and ethernet to router for the mini just like you do. I have transferred gigs of data that typically take aroung 6-7 mins per gig.
 
printer + extra hard drive?

I heard that there is only one USB port on the TC.

But can u make the one USB to too. So u can have a printer + an extra hard dirve pluged in the the TC? anyone?
 
Yup. If they can make these Time capsules work for backups (with the internal AND external drives), they could sure as heck make the AEBS work too. Its a bunch of horsecrap if you ask me. Apple needs sued over this one. They obviously crippled it on purpose.

Anyways, these Time Capsules are a BAD idea. There's no way to upgrade the internal hard drive & Time Machine is a gigabyte-eating monster that keeps growing & growing. So the whole premise of these is just absurd & was only made so Apple can have another revenue stream & mooch off people who don't know any better.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but thats the obvious truth.

First, I wouldn't say anything is obvious. We don't know why time machine backups don't work on the AEBS. I wish it did, but what can you do?

I don't see how time capsule is a bad idea. you're entitled to your opinion... but seriously, nobody has cracked the thing open yet, maybe you can upgrade the hard drive. You'll void your warranty, but who cares if it's over a year. The whole "gigabyte-eating monster" thing sounds silly. Do you know how time machine even works?? It keeps as many backups as there is room for. That's the point. If you want a plain old backup, use super duper or CCC or Retrospect or whatever.
 
Anyways, these Time Capsules are a BAD idea. There's no way to upgrade the internal hard drive & Time Machine is a gigabyte-eating monster that keeps growing & growing. So the whole premise of these is just absurd & was only made so Apple can have another revenue stream & mooch off people who don't know any better.

You can add a USB external hard drive. And TM is an incremental backup solution - of course it's going to continue to get bigger - it's like CVS or Subversion in that you can go back and look at the history of files over their lifetime (assuming you have enough remaining space on the TC). Of course it's going to keep growing.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but thats the obvious truth.

...according to your point of view.
 
i had been struggling with my old linksys wrt64g for a while now, had been waiting for time capsule, going to grab a 500GB TC and plug in my 1TB Lacie to it. It used to be my TM backup but I hardly plug it into my mbp.
I assume the software is similar to the AEBS, could anybody let me know if I can manually add port mappings in the software of AEBS or TC?
 
First, I wouldn't say anything is obvious. We don't know why time machine backups don't work on the AEBS. I wish it did, but what can you do?
Given what we now know about these Time Capsules indeed working with USB external drives, that the AEBS can indeed be made to backup to Time Machine using a simple Terminal hack & Apple's track record lately involving things like this, I'd say its obvious.

I love Apple, but remember, this is the company that instead of allowing 3rd party apps on iPhones from the beginning, pushed these "cool" web-apps down our throats & told us it was the future. Not until a backlash did they up & say "Oh, guess what. Here comes an SDK!"

And dont even get me started about bricking iPhones. And I don't even wanna talk about how Apple was charging more for DRM-free songs & didn't lower the price back down until Amazon did. My point is, seems like they have to be forced into doing the right thing these days. The AEBS is no different.

Apple has a right to make money, thats what they should do. But screwing people over by crippling hardware to do it isn't right. If you buy this product, you're letting Apple know its OK to do that.
 
I already have an AirPort Extreme and an AirPort Express but I'll still get a Time Capsule as soon as they arrive at my local store. I'm thinking a firmware upgrade to older base stations may solve the USB problem.
 
I'd say its obvious.

You should do some more research then:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/11/08/why-leopards-time-machine-doesnt-support-airport-disks/

"The problem is that integrity cannot be guaranteed — the AirPort acknowledges receipt of the data before it’s actually written, and if power is interrupted, the disk disconnected, yadayadayada in the window between the Airport acknowledging receipt and the data actually getting written out to disk, it’s gone forever with no way to recover it or even realize it’s gone missing.

That, Apple felt, is a big enough problem to disable the feature for initial release."
 
This is true, good point. Porting a wired external HDD around to back-up multiple computers would be a bit of a hassle.

With respect to your second point, one could argue that for a completely secure back-up solution, the external drive should be stored off-site. ;)
Also, even ignoring the wireless argument, a portable external HDD is still a pain in the ass at times.

I was recently on a G4 tower using an external FireWire drive for Time Machine, but I didn't realise how gimicky it was until I got the new MacPro with a second internal drive for Time Machine. The times that I failed to turn on the old external drive or turned off my G4 tower without turning off the external for a couple of days were pretty numerous actually.

Nothing beats the "no brainer" aspect of a drive that is always available. I don't need the Time Capsule for my MacPro, but the fact that my laptop, as well as any others that come into my house, have a ready-made backup target that only needs to be pointed at is pretty handy IMO. It's just another thing that doesn't have to be "managed."
 
Airport port update

after reading the release notes of the TC i note they mention using version 5.3 of airport admin

however i only have 5.22 installed in leopard and apple offers no update on software update so i think when they update this we will get the firmware upgrade for our base stations

well thats my guess anyway
 
Hey look, it's NAS with a router... but more expensive!

Of course, home storage - which is what 90% of these devices will be used for - is fairly pointless. Back up off site or you're kind of missing the point.
Pointless?
The vast majority of data loss is not from fire, earthquake or other rare incidents. It's due to drive failures and other failures.
I have lost data on several computers due to drive failures, etc.
But my house has yet to be destroyed.
And if it was then the transfers I do to my drive at work will back me up, which makes the office drive the most useless drive I own.
 
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