Looks like it, but if you look at Nokias site, http://www.nseries.com/index.html?l=campaigns,open#l=campaigns,open,landing maybe not.
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Looks like it, but if you look at Nokias site, http://www.nseries.com/index.html?l=campaigns,open#l=campaigns,open,landing maybe not.
This is one of the most intelligent, eloquent, and well-crafted posts I have seen on these boards. I feel exactly the same way about both Apple, and the emotional, knee-jerk arguments floating around on these iPhone-related boards.
Well done.
-propynyl
Not true, I buy most of my phones in Japan...and look for unlocked ones only.....
Boss's post is well crafted and eloquent, too bad its wrong.
The core iPhone buyer doesn't care about hacking and may not even know what a sim chip is. Even on this site, which has a large percentage of hackers, around 80% say they would buy the iPhone today even with all the complaints, etc. Sounds like the core is speaking and Apple is hearing.
The core iPhone buyer doesn't care about hacking and may not even know what a sim chip is. Even on this site, which has a large percentage of hackers, around 80% say they would buy the iPhone today even with all the complaints, etc. Sounds like the core is speaking and Apple is hearing.
In the same way the core of Astronauts on the planet would probably still choose to fly with NASA rather than take a chance on shuttle crafted by some lesser effective/funded country. That doesn't mean Astronauts at NASA should shut up about their needs and not demand the very best.
As I post its actually 76% of those who responded, which in turn is 99 out of 112960 registered users, so I would not really call the results representative
However, I agree that a large percentage of purchasers would not hack the phone. That is not the same as them not wanting the ability to add applications.
Well, that's just dandy for you, but I don't have the time to jet off to Narita just to buy an unlocked Nokia.
I agree, if the comments and suggestions are constructive (which many are) and not rants against "the man".
Interesting
I read your posts, and all I can say is this!
SIMPLE:
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD AT&T SERVICE AND NEED TO HACK YOUR IPHONE TOO BAD, GO TO ANOTHER CARRIER. TMOBILE WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOU. GET YOUR NOKIA PHONE AND HAVE A GOOD LIFE.
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE IPHONE OR WANT CUSTOM HACKS STOP COMPLAINING BUY A DIFFERENT PHONE.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE APPLE'S POLICIES....GO BY ANOTHER VENDORS
BASICS 101
I read your posts, and all I can say is this!
SIMPLE:
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD AT&T SERVICE AND NEED TO HACK YOUR IPHONE TOO BAD, GO TO ANOTHER CARRIER. TMOBILE WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOU. GET YOUR NOKIA PHONE AND HAVE A GOOD LIFE.
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE IPHONE OR WANT CUSTOM HACKS STOP COMPLAINING BUY A DIFFERENT PHONE.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE APPLE'S POLICIES....GO BY ANOTHER VENDORS
BASICS 101
Well, what about me? I'm willing to pay for AT&T service, and I'll put up with Apple's locking down of the iPhone (though I don't much like it). But I still can't have one. Why? Because I live in Vermont, and Cingular just doesn't want to do business here. There are, actually, some legitimate reasons on unlock iPhones, beyond personal preference to do so. Mine is one of them.
Talk to cingular then, apple doesn't control coverage. If apple doesn't want to unlock it other providers, except that, and move on.
Well thank god for your post. I'm sure hundreds of iPhone owners reading these boards including myself were spinning in circles wondering what to do until you posted your simple solution for us. I think i'm going to rebox my iPhone and return it now that I have seen the easy, simple, and logical solution you imply.
/end sarcasm
I'd really like to be impressed. I'm applauding Nokia for taking these initiatives about the iPhone and being very very non-combative when commenting publically. It's great. That said, look at this press page:
http://www.nseries.com/index.html?l=campaigns,open#l=news,n95_8gb
They're trying to do quotes, and the words are all run together. It's pathetic. I caught myself staring at the page, trying to understand what was happening, before I realized they'd screwed it up. Meanwhile, Apple is running rings around everyone in how to successfully show off a product very very well (online & offline).
Taking the article from Ars that they chose to highlight, its a bit disturbing, because the conclusion sounds like everything I'd avoid in a solution:
Yikes. And then there's this:
And, the iPhone being $399 now and TV-out back in full effect, makes Nokia look a bit silly, getting comfortable with its uber-price points.
~ CB
Right. Because me hacking my phone clearly destabilizes yours. Aren't you too busy to be posting in this thread anyway?
Hi,
welcome to the internet!
just a tip: writing in all caps means you are yelling, and doesn't make people appreciate your points any better, and makes you seem abrasive, just like yelling in real life
I can afford an iPhone. I can afford 10 iPhones. I want to have more widgets and apps. I could care less if Apple releases them or if a third party does. But if Apple can't make them because they are preoccupied or don't have the resources because they have spread themselves too thin, I see no reason for them to prevent me from getting the apps I want from another source. It seems more like sour grapes than anything else.
Exactly. I sold an unlocked Nokia today locally because I replaced it with an Alcatel. The guy who bought it said he is buying it for a friend, but he has no idea what is SIM card nor what is unlocked.
Ugh.. So sick of posts like this
First of all, most of the unlockers of the iPhone are doing it not because they are unable to afford AT&Ts rate plan, but because they either live abroad, travel abroad frequently, or are in an existing contract with a different provider (T-Mobile). And yes, most of them are "going" to another carrier. They are just taking their iPhone with them.
"If you can't afford the iphone" --> What does adding third party applications to or unlocking an iPhone have to do with being able to afford it? Obviously if people are modifying an iPhone then they had the ability to afford it in the first place.
If customers don't agree with Apple's policies, they are not forced to
"go by [sic] another vendors".
They do, however, have two forms of recourse:
1) On a practical level, If they want an iPhone with certain features, they are going to have to look to the hacking community.
2) They have the right to make their opinions and disagreements known to Apple and also the community on the forums as long as it is the topic of discussion.
BTW, When did you get the authority to tell other people what to do?
If you want to contribute to the topic of discussion, please stop with the unintelligible, half-baked lecturing.
Is the bold text and capitalization supposed to makeup for the flawed reasoning and poor articulation?
For everyone else: Why does it seem like many are so quick to take sides with Apple's legal team and their "user agreement"? Does it make them feel all warm inside because they get to be the antagonist?
First of all, most of the unlockers of the iPhone are doing it not because they are unable to afford AT&Ts rate plan, but because they either live abroad, travel abroad frequently, or are in an existing contract with a different provider (T-Mobile). And yes, most of them are "going" to another carrier. They are just taking their iPhone with them.
"If you can't afford the iphone" --> What does adding third party applications to or unlocking an iPhone have to do with being able to afford it? Obviously if people are modifying an iPhone then they had the ability to afford it in the first place.
If customers don't agree with Apple's policies, they are not forced to
"go by [sic] another vendors".
They do, however, have two forms of recourse:
1) On a practical level, If they want an iPhone with certain features, they are going to have to look to the hacking community.
2) They have the right to make their opinions and disagreements known to Apple and also the community on the forums as long as it is the topic of discussion.
BTW, When did you get the authority to tell other people what to do?
If you want to contribute to the topic of discussion, please stop with the unintelligible, half-baked lecturing.
Is the bold text and capitalization supposed to makeup for the flawed reasoning and poor articulation?
For everyone else: Why does it seem like many are so quick to take sides with Apple's legal team and their "user agreement"? Does it make them feel all warm inside because they get to be the antagonist?
Having been a prior Windows user, and a recent Mac OS convert (6 mos ago), I have noticed that there is a weird attitude among a large number (or maybe small vocal group) of Mac fans... That Apple can do no wrong. That Apple has the most advanced the products.
Both are incorrect. Apple is slow to adopt a lot of technology (why is my Treo better than the iPhone in many ways? I had Google Maps, 3G web access, better email, mp3 player, video playback including avi, wmv, photos, etc... nearly 2 YEARS ago.) Apple perfected the user interface, but iPhone doesn't have all the functionality- or even 3G for that matter.
If the iPhone was made by Nokia or Palm, trust me, all the Apple zealots would be criticizing it.
iPhone is great. But it should be better, and people shouldn't be embarassed to say that.
Oh this is garbage. Its not the we dont know what they are. Take the iPhone for instance. Wow you can unlock it to go to ...ummm....T Mobile, who in my area is just as bad as ATnT . Its not that we dont know what they are, its that we dont have that many choices even if we do.
You may, but most of the nation doesn't. I'm willing to bet that just about everybody on this website knows what GSM, a SIM card, and an unlocked phone are, but the general American public (or average joe if you will) doesn't.
