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Unlocking and opening the phone can dramatically increase the difficulty and expense for Apple of supporting the iPhone (or any such piece of hardware). If these applications are all interacting and mucking about with the same files as Apple's apps, when something goes wrong the number of possibilities of what's causing it goes up exponentially, and what the non-Apple apps are doing and how they're doing it are not known to Apple. If someone for example gets all their photos deleted, whose fault is it now? Not to mention that people will be upset when Apple's updates break or cause incompatibilities with 3rd-party apps. And they'll be mad at Apple, not the 3rd party.
So how has Nokia managed to be the largest cell manufacturer in the world if all this is true?
No, since you can get those phones unlocked as well. Nokia really has two sets of customers when it comes to phones: operators and end-users. And Nokia doesn't limit what their customers want to do with their phones. And that includes the operators. Don't like it? Then buy an unlocked Nokia.
Remember: This ad is about Nokia talking to people, not operator talking to people. If operator wants to lock the phone, how exactly is that Nokias fault?
>Not all Nokias that Nokia sells through operators are available on their website SIM-free and unlocked.
>The cheapest phone on their website is $199.
>If Nokia didn't like operators paying them loads of money to stick their (the operators') logos and software on it, lock it to their network, subsidise it, and sell it with a two year contract, then Nokia could stop selling them their phones in the first place. However, they seem to be okay with the castration of their phones considering that they've been selling them in this country under this process for probably nearly two decades.
GM was once the largest car manufacturer, McDonald's sold more food to people than anyone else, Safeway the largest grocery chain, etc. I'm sure you see the point. Do you know anyone who truly loves using their Nokia phone? I've owned 3 Nokias. For making phone calls, they did the job. For anything else, they were torture to use. They were disposable and forgettable.
Basically, Nokia doesn't give a crap about your user experience, it's not at all a priority for them, and they're not going to help you if you modify their phone. For Apple it is different because the phone is all about the user experience. If that goes badly, you have something people aren't going to pay hundreds of dollars for.
You know, I am really hopping mad that Apple is perpetrating this sham of selling us things that we can't unlock! I've bought every generation of iPod they've released, and every single one is *locked down*! It's infuriating! I can't install any widgets, or third party apps at all! Where's the SDK?!? I've been waiting for six long years!
And, while we're at it, it is an insult to commerce and the American way that Apple will not replace my iPhone if I use it underwater and it shorts out! WTF! If I paid my hard-earned $600 like everyone else, I expect to be able to use it how *I* want. Steve Jobs and all his minions can't tell me what I can and can't do with it! That is immoral and wrong. Why won't the genius bar goons just swap out my shorted out iPhone for a brand new one?!
They waste all of this time adding features for free to my iPhone, and yet they still won't take the time to make it possible for me to toast my bread in the morning with it! I'd come up with a way to do it myself, but I have this *sinking* feeling that getting jam in the ports will *probably* "violate my warranty" -- that's their lame excuse for all the poor customer service nowadays.
Whatever happened to quality companies, anyway? I can't believe they forced me to buy this thing that doesn't even do what I want! The least they could do is put out a website or a box or a warning. Sheesh.
And, while we're at it, it is an insult to commerce and the American way that Apple will not replace my iPhone if I use it underwater and it shorts out! WTF! If I paid my hard-earned $600 like everyone else, I expect to be able to use it how *I* want. Steve Jobs and all his minions can't tell me what I can and can't do with it! That is immoral and wrong. Why won't the genius bar goons just swap out my shorted out iPhone for a brand new one?!
They waste all of this time adding features for free to my iPhone, and yet they still won't take the time to make it possible for me to toast my bread in the morning with it! I'd come up with a way to do it myself, but I have this *sinking* feeling that getting jam in the ports will *probably* "violate my warranty" -- that's their lame excuse for all the poor customer service nowadays.
Whatever happened to quality companies, anyway? I can't believe they forced me to buy this thing that doesn't even do what I want! The least they could do is put out a website or a box or a warning. Sheesh.
Umm, I don't think SJ held you at gunpoint while you forked over six benjamins.
And Apple isn't responsible for you forgetting to remove your $600 phone "that you were forced to purchase" from your swimsuit.
Sarcasm works better when it's shorter...
MUCH shorter...my God, how long did you spend writing that?
Didn't the toast and jam section arouse any suspicions
No, because sarcasm works better when shorter, and I just glanced over it.
Also, (at least the first half of it) sounded like some of the complaints I've read!
One would think Steve Jobs learned from almost killing Apple in the 90s. After being fired he had time to think and the best of his genius was working again. Now, with success and increasing arrogance, Steve Jobs is starting to make the exact same mistakes from the past. I have been a core Apple user for a long time, but will not get an IPhone. When I pay for a phone then it becomes my phone and I should be able to use it anyway I like. I have no time to play games with Apple just in the hope of being able to keep my operator or running my apps. And this type of attitude should never be encouraged.
No, because sarcasm works better when shorter, and I just glanced over it.
Also, (at least the first half of it) sounded like some of the complaints I've read!
Haha, the first few lines of Magic's "rant" almost convinced me, but then the swimsuit and toast arguments were a little fishy
And sarcasm doesn't always work better if it's shorter.
Actually Steve's been like this forever. He doesn't like user expandability, and honestly, I can see why. As Mac users we pride ourselves on the stability of our computers. A big reason for that is because Apple knows more or less exactly what kind of hardware their software is running on, so we don't get conflicts like the PC folks do. The original Macintosh was hardly expandable. The original iMac wasn't expandable. The current MacBook is one of Apple's most expandable computers, and that's only RAM and HDD replacement.
Point is, Apple wants their products to work exactly as advertised, and as much fun as friggin' around with gadgets may be to some people, it does decrease stability.
There was fair warning with the iPhone. Everybody knew it was locked to AT&T, and there were never any promises regarding compatibility of 3rd party apps. Apple is in this business to make money. Their deal with AT&T makes both parties rich. We see Apple as this friendly computer company who loves their loyal customers and will do anything for them. Apple's better than most, but they're still a business, and they really don't care what you have to say.
As a long term PC user who has willy nillingly dowloaded anything and everything and paid the price of viruses, major computer crashes, inconvenience, slow response and stress I am willing to put up with limited applications if I know what I put on will work, won't steal my credit card details or my identity!
Phone viruses are becoming more and more common and could potentially be more disruptive to the unsuspecting user.
If I was apple I would counter with this tag line
" A phone open to everything is open to viruses and crashes"
I want more applications but they should be controlled so the phones integrity and security is not put at risk
Phone viruses are becoming more and more common and could potentially be more disruptive to the unsuspecting user.
If I was apple I would counter with this tag line
" A phone open to everything is open to viruses and crashes"
I want more applications but they should be controlled so the phones integrity and security is not put at risk
I can afford an Apple phone with the AT&T deal (would be proximus in my case) but the fact it is locked is a deal killer for me because I have a couple of different SIMs I use when I travel. I can't install VoiP software or add GPS maps on an SD and a BT module. Same thing for the iPod touch. It is crippled without BT and a microphones for notes.
And indeed I did not buy either one but a regular iPod classic (size matters) and decided to wait for the Nokia stuff since their "iPhone" look alike will be out next year.... fully unlocked
And no, I don't like Apple policies and I do what I want with their products... including modding my Mac Mini but one of these days, they are going to get a giant suit from the EU about iTune being closed to other players... and it's gonna cost them millions
Can't really say I would be sorry either.....
People have to replace their phones quite often? They've been offered free more often than any other manufacturer's phones for several years?
In any case, their inexpensive phones seem to get bad user reviews and their expensive phones don't seem to be easy to use, so I can still say that I've never owned one. I saw the N95 for $719 the other day and that's quite a bit, especially if it's competing with the iPhone, locked or unlocked.
Yes, they can claim to be open but if the phone is a pain to use, who will care whether it's open or not?
Well, they are over here
. And those phones you mentioned are not sold by Nokia, they are sold by the operator.So?
Nokia doesn't really like it when operators do that, according to their CEO. But if operators insist on doing that, there's not much they could do about it. If they didn't go along, operators would simply shop elsewhere. And that is exactly the thing that has happened in the USA; where Nokia is a small player. Kallasvuo has commented that they have been suffering in the USA because they want to make and sell devices that end-users want, as opposed to making and selling devices that operators want. And since most phones in USA are sold through the operators, they have been suffering in the US market.
Complain to the operators then who insist on crippling those phones. Does Apple sell unlocked phones? No. In fact, they do their best to make their phones as locked as possible. And while Nokia-phones are being castrated by the operators, Nokia itself does not do that. They encourage open phones, and that's something Apple does NOT do.
Don't like castrated Nokias? Well, switch to an operator that does not castrate them, or buy your phones unlocked. And neither of those is an option when iPhone is concerned.
While you might feel that their devices are not fun to use, the above statement is 100% bullcrap.
Well, yes it is. Their UI was one of the things that helped them beat Ericsson and Motorole to become #1 cell-phone manufacturer.
Lots of our users here have "modified" their phones, and Nokia doesn't care. The phones are still serviced just fine if they break. Hell, Nokia has built software and API's that help users modify and expand their phones, how is that NOT helping? Hell, just for ***** and giggles I launched Nokia PC Suite on my computer. And sure enough, there is a button labeled "Install Applications" right in the front page. Sure looks like they ARE helping me out.
How does that work if I want to run SSH-client (for example) on my iPhone? What would the "user experience" be like?
It's legal to unlock an iPhone, isn't it?
So you unlock your iPhone and give your business to another carrier. Then Apple comes along and relocks your iPhone, locking the second carrier out and forcing you back to the original carrier. The second carrier then has legal recourse for loss of business.
How is Apple 'bundling' a carrier different from Microsoft 'bundling' a web browser, and then using its control over the OS to shut another carrier/browser (Netscape) out?
The choice of carrier is NOT part of the iPhone's system. It's a bundled feature, so Apple cannot dictate it, let alone force-change it back again, despite what they write in the small print. Maybe in America, but not elsewhere. Despite Microsoft arguing til they were blue in the face that Internet Explorer was part of their system, they just lost their legal battle badly in the European Court, didn't they? A fine of $360 million if I recall correctly.
PS. I haven't been abe to find this info through the search feature (too many posts on 'contracts'), but when your original 2 year contract expires, is the iPhone then unlocked and you're free to use another carrier? Or are you forced to sign up again until Apple's 5 year deal with the original carrier expires?
So you unlock your iPhone and give your business to another carrier. Then Apple comes along and relocks your iPhone, locking the second carrier out and forcing you back to the original carrier. The second carrier then has legal recourse for loss of business.
How is Apple 'bundling' a carrier different from Microsoft 'bundling' a web browser, and then using its control over the OS to shut another carrier/browser (Netscape) out?
The choice of carrier is NOT part of the iPhone's system. It's a bundled feature, so Apple cannot dictate it, let alone force-change it back again, despite what they write in the small print. Maybe in America, but not elsewhere. Despite Microsoft arguing til they were blue in the face that Internet Explorer was part of their system, they just lost their legal battle badly in the European Court, didn't they? A fine of $360 million if I recall correctly.
PS. I haven't been abe to find this info through the search feature (too many posts on 'contracts'), but when your original 2 year contract expires, is the iPhone then unlocked and you're free to use another carrier? Or are you forced to sign up again until Apple's 5 year deal with the original carrier expires?
About a month back we got a Nokia N95 in at work, so seeing all the comparisons with iPhone I decided to put it though its paces. Needless to say I was laughing hysterically and pointing at the device in ridicule within the first minutes of using it. It has been a long time since I have had the displeasure of using such a steaming pile of crap.
Apple has nothing to be afraid of from Nokia, locked or not, it is still a piece of ****. As much as teh interwebs wants to make a big deal out of the locked platform issue on the iPhone I simply refuse to believe that it is an issue for the average, normal phone user who is not tech geek. You know, 90% of the mobile phone users.
The others will just have to stick with 1.0.2 until the next version is hacked, its not like Apple is forcing you to update the firmware.
Apple has nothing to be afraid of from Nokia, locked or not, it is still a piece of ****. As much as teh interwebs wants to make a big deal out of the locked platform issue on the iPhone I simply refuse to believe that it is an issue for the average, normal phone user who is not tech geek. You know, 90% of the mobile phone users.
The others will just have to stick with 1.0.2 until the next version is hacked, its not like Apple is forcing you to update the firmware.
According to the DMCA, it is.
Well, not exactly. The way I see is that you are free to unlock your iPhone, and neither Apple or at&t can sue you for it. But that doesn't mean that they are not allowed to prevent you from doing so.
If you bypass encryption or DRM, you are breaking the law and you can be prosecuted for it. Unless you are doing it to unlock a phone. But it doesn't mean that you or anyone else can sue someone if you are prevented from unlocking the phone. It just means that you can't get sued for unlocking your phone.
Of course, IANAL.
Well, for starters Microsoft is a monopoly, whereas Apple is not....
I can't help but laugh at this comment
. Rather, it's the other way around. Nokia, with it's 40% market-share has nothing to fear from Apple, which has under 1% market-share.Our users range from "normal users" and "power-users". And just about every one of them has modified their phone in one way or the other.
Well, I think the main reason is they've kept the user interface about the same from the beginning till now and refining it without changing it.
Back in the late 90s the Nokia 3210 was using the same menu structure, keyboard symbols, even the turn on/off button is still on a similar place. That helps you not having to learn how to use every new phone you get.
Another reason why Nokia worked and still works is that it crashed not that often than other phones at the time. You could always say "Get a nokia and it won't crash". Almost the same situation as with Windows and MacOs.
Nowadays you have almost everything on your phone. The cool thing about my current Nokia is that it still works exactly the same way, it has everything I need (and a lot of stuff I don't need). It evolved so to say. And it still works great.
A good example of Nokia working great is the fact that I still see people on the street with 1996 year models - the father used it, the big brother used it, it felt like 1000 times and now the teenage girl uses it and it's still working. You can't say that for a lot of other phones.
Oh, and one other thing - the price classes:
Current nokia models start from 139 EUR (Nokia Online Shop - you can get it even cheaper) and end at 19.000 EUR + (for Vertu as Nokia Luxury line)
So you can cover the whole market...
For me right now the better combination is a Nokia phone to talk with and send SMS and the new iPod touch to have the music and the internet in my pocket - I don't like the idea to get out of battery because I surfed a bit too much and having a way to call someone because of that.