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Everyone has to take **** in their jobs. Thats called the big, wide, world. Deal with it.
yes, i take **** in my current job, but i get paid enough that i feel ok about it.

Wait? Don't you contradict yourself there? You say you earn around $3 an hour and that cashiers earn at least minimum wage, but then you say you were earning better money than in retail? Waiiiitttt a second.
like someone else already mentioned, i meant that after wage + tips i made more than i made working retail. i don't contradict myself at all.

What the **** sort of attitude is that bold bit? It' your job to give good service, I don't care how much money you (don't) earn. If thats your job, thats your job. People with my attitude bug you? People who swan around expecting things that should be a courtesy bug me. It should be quite the other way round, people who don't give good service shouldn't expect to get tipped.

allow me to clarify...i worked in a place where we had repeat customers, and the ones that i busted my @ss trying to serve (usually the first three visits) but didn't tip did not receive stellar service on future visits. i wasn't rude, i didn't neglect them...i just didn't go out of my way to be super friendly.

in this country, it's widely accepted that a person tips for service because servers do not make a normal wage. it's the way that it is, and i really don't see it changing any time soon.

and we do agree on one thing...people who don't give good service shouldn't expect to get tipped.

hope this clarified some things for you.
 
In the US, where we don't routinely have gratuity tacked on the bill, 15% is the absolute minimum tip that should be left by civilized people, IMO. Wait staff make crap wages (often no set pay check: employers deduct apron/uniform costs and any miscalculations you might have done on the check in favor of the customer, which results in not getting "paid" by the restaurant, since they don't even make minimum wage), and make their living from tips.

If someone brought you the food, drinks, took the plates away, and had to deal with your every whim during the meal (while possibly *gasp* making a mistake or two since they have ten other tables they're doing the same for), they get a tip. I don't think that's me being wildly generous; when you go to a restaurant to eat, tipping the server is part of the routine.

as i said, i was a server and i agree with leaving 15% minimum on a check...it's just, as you said, the civil thing to do. maybe you misunderstood what i said in my earlier post...if i get bad service that is not the server's fault (burger undercooked, etc.) i do not lessen the tip because of it...on the contrary, i ofter tip more for making the server run damage control. ;) tipping is part of the routine, and i have never *not* left a tip. i did leave $2 once for a server at ruby tuesday's who never came back after the food was brought, except to bring the check. and the place was nowhere near busy at the time.


@dukebound85...
when the price of your meal goes up significantly because the restaurant has to pay all servers, both good and bad, the same wage...don't complain.
 
For delivery stuff, (pizza, Chinese, etc) its usually $2-3 + change. At restaurants, my base tip is usually 20% give or take a few % (I like leaving rounded amounts). Haircuts is usually 2 bucks or so for me and 5 for my wife (10-15 if she gets color done). The reason for that is because the person we're friends with the person we go to.

But I think the reason it's different between delivery guys and waiters is partially because of the amount of stuff a waiter has to do. If you've got 4 people in the party, thats 4 drinks + refills, an appitizer (sometimes) salads, 4 meals and sometimes dessert(s). In addition, they're the ones who have to take the orders. They're also working multiple tables at once, so better service requires more effort than delivery. (Nothing against any delivery guys out there, having food delivered is great! :) )

Also, waiters have to have personality to be good waiters - we've probably all had waiters who've had bad days and have had performance suffer as a result. With delivery guys, not so much. It's a 2 minute interaction at most. A lot of people have favorite waiters, too, because of the (for lack of better word) relationship that exists between waiters and customers. I know my parents have a couple of waiter's cell phone numbers to find out when they're going to be working. (Olive Garden, Applebees, and a Japanese Steak House, currently - previously for Outback, Longhorns, and Ruby Tuesdays). We will often request these waiters when they're working. But I've never gone so far as to request a delivery guy. :p

EDIT: Alcohol Clause
The only time I won't tip 20% on a check is if there's alcohol being served, because it's roughly the same amount of effort for the server to bring a $1 coke as it is to bring a $5 beer/$8 cocktail. (Not that it ever happens that much with me: I rarely ever drink - once in the past 2 years) But I'll normally tip an amount that reflects the level of service I receive.
 
And this is the crux of the issue, it seems. What I (and the other former waiters on this thread) am trying to communicate is that tipping *is* the regular "paycheck" for many servers. That's all. :)

I understand. And if your belief really is that tipping is a required/expected part of the dining experience, then you should tell folks up front and guarantee that service will be spectular.

That way folks like myself can either go in knowing that service will be up to par (or beyond) or go somewhere else where tipping is treated as a reward for good service, not a requirement to receive it...
 
Waiters take more **** than almost any one else. They earn that tip. But then again you apparently do not understand that if it was not for the tip you see those menu prices add 30% to them.

I call bull on that 30%. Do you realise that some of us are living in countries where tipping isn't expected? I eat out, and the food costs me a bit more, but not 30% more. Not a chance.

I'm a guy who has lived in 3 countries (or 4 countries, depending on how you look at it), and even if the restaurants were to pay their wait staff minimum wage, or even slightly above, they'd still be making a lot of money for what they do because of "small" tips (that they've actually earned for great service) they receive here and there.

And to not expect a waiter to do their job because they don't think they'll get a tip? Do you think we only receive the minimum service outside the US? No way. It's better to leave a tip ONLY when they deserve it. It prevents the average waiter from getting paid $20 per hour and making more than a recent graduate from uni, along with teachers and such. ;)

Don't get me wrong. I tip 10-15% for a very standard waiter (3-4 visits to my table), and higher only if they work for it. Bad waiters get paid in the 5-10% range. However, I just see a better system outside Canada (and the US). Sorry.

Waiters take more **** than almost any one else. They earn that tip.

How much do you tip elementary and high school teachers?
 
Skycaps/Bellboys/Bagboys - $0 I just carry my own stuff. If I need help then yes a $1 - $5 depending on number of items, distance, weight.

Bathroom attendents - $0 I can grab a towel myself. If I make a mess then a $1 - $3.

Delivery - $1 - $5 depending on speedy service & number of pizzas.

Waiting - 15% standard but I go as low as 0% to as high as 25% depending on service.

- Scott
 
How much do you tip elementary and high school teachers?

Teachers do not work in the service industry.

I worked as a waiter and a cook for many years when I was an undergrad, and even in high school. I challenge all those who feel that even tipping the customary 15% is too much to work for a week as a waiter and come back and tell us you still feel the same way.

In the US, it is customary to leave at least 15% on a bill, not including alcohol because that is already heavily taxed. I was once left ONE DOLLAR on a $65.00 check. I chased the guy outside, caught up with him, and threw the dollar at his car as he drove away. Sure, I was a stupid 19-year old at the time, but I got my point across.

If you are not prepared to observe the customs of the country you are in, then do not go out to eat. Plain and simple. Waiters make their living from tips.
 
If you are not prepared to observe the customs of the country you are in, then do not go out to eat. Plain and simple. Waiters make their living from tips.

In the US. Not in other parts of the world as we've discussed. And yes, when I'm in the US, I'm aware of the expectation to tip and do so accordingly - 15-20% or slightly more if it rounds it up to a good $ amount. I do object to to be assumed to be a bad tipper because I'm a Brit.

True story - I was in Chicago a couple of years ago and we (4 adults) went to a local diner for breakfast. It was fabulous - the food was great, the place was clean and the waitress gave us a few suggestions for our day. The bill came to something around $37 and since she'd be so good, we left $50.

The next day we went back. Different waitress and service was OK - not as good as the day before but not bad. The bill came and it was about the same amount. This woman had written TIP in large letters, underlined three times and worked out 15% to the cent. We were all set just to leave the $50 again but nope, we paid her what she wanted to the cent.
 
I worked as a waiter and a cook for many years when I was an undergrad, and even in high school. I challenge all those who feel that even tipping the customary 15% is too much to work for a week as a waiter and come back and tell us you still feel the same way.


I never said that waiting tables was easy. I meant I'd rather see every waiter paid $12-15 per hour and receive just a small tip ONLY if they did a great job. No tip for an "average" or "good" job, and likely around 5% even if they do get tipped.

PS: And no, restaurant prices wouldn't increase by 30% even if that were to happen. ;)
 
Tips are a bonus not an expectation.

I tip anywhere from 0%- 30% depending on levels of EXTRA service. When I am dining out I expect the waiter/waitress to come take away the done dishes and refill my water glass. I don't want attitude from the staff, and would like non-patronizing answers to my questions.

Today I went to get so take out, the bill was $24.49 I gave the woman a $10 and a $20 so total $30, she did not even offer to give me back change, I was like WTF no way I am going to give a $5 dollar tip on take out. She then refused to give me a receipt. OK not going there again.

As to those people complaining that the tips are their salary, get another job that pays well, in most cases no one is making you work in the service industry.
 
Man, I cannot believe how stingy some people are. If they actually paid these people 12-15 an hour, the food prices would be out of control. What is the big deal on leaving a tip?? Go through a freaking drive thru if you don't want to tip. Geez, too many cheap @$$es hanging around here for me. I would expect this on a Dell forum, but not an Apple forum, lol.
 
Man, I cannot believe how stingy some people are. If they actually paid these people 12-15 an hour, the food prices would be out of control.

No they wouldn't. I just went out for lunch, and the prices seemed reasonable, even to a North American, so please prove that they would be.

Food is a bit more expensive, but not by much. In fact, if I were to add tax and the currency conversion from Aussie dollars to Canadian dollars, I'd say the lunch I had today was the same price as anything I'd have in Canada, give or take $1 (variability in pricing between restaurants).

Also, I used $12-15 as an example. I have no idea how much minimum wage is in the US (I know it's dependent on State), or how much people get paid for different types of jobs (ie: sales or other jobs that require low education).
 
No they wouldn't. I just went out for lunch, and the prices seemed reasonable, even to a North American, so please prove that they would be.

Food is a bit more expensive, but not by much. In fact, if I were to add tax and the currency conversion from Aussie dollars to Canadian dollars, I'd say the lunch I had today was the same price as anything I'd have in Canada, give or take $1 (variability in pricing between restaurants).

Also, I used $12-15 as an example. I have no idea how much minimum wage is in the US (I know it's dependent on State), or how much people get paid for different types of jobs (ie: sales or other jobs that require low education).

Food servers in the states get 2.13/hr. I am not talking about fast food places, but sit down diners. If you pay the servers 6 times what they are making now, it is a given prices would go up. It is not like the company is just going to eat the cost.

My point is that tipping costs are minimal, so just do it as a courtesy. I think it is rude to say that they should get a new job, etc... I am not saying to tip your accountant, or ups driver, etc. Althought I do hook my driver up with some hot cocoa in the winter. ;) But, take care of your servers, valet, pizza guy, bell hop, etc. This is how they make their money.

It is not like you come to me for a home loan and expect zero percent interest? Everybody who has a job has one because somewhere along the line, someone pays for your goods or services. So, be happy you have the money to eat out and hook up the poor chap running around dealing with some of these aholes. (not referring to you, you seem quite nice. :) )
 
And this is the crux of the issue, it seems. What I (and the other former waiters on this thread) am trying to communicate is that tipping *is* the regular "paycheck" for many servers. That's all. :)

And that is why I always leave at least 15%, minimum. I see it as just part of the cost of the meal, like the tax, even if it's not listed on the menu.

That said, I hate that this is the way it is. I really think servers *should* be paid at least minimum wage and tipping should be for when you really do get good service. But, since that's not the reality, I accept the fact that tips are a de facto kind of tax on the meal that's not listed in the menu.
 
Wait until the cow is asleep then just push.:p

No, step #1: Make sure it is a COW first. (I don't want to talk about it.):p


-- Having worked in foodservice... usually 15-20% if it is good service, if people are attentive, etc, but I have noticed that restaurant people tend to notice things a bit more and be more critical.

-- Haven't had food delivered in years. They still do that???
 

@dukebound85...
when the price of your meal goes up significantly because the restaurant has to pay all servers, both good and bad, the same wage...don't complain.

oh they have now that colorado just increased mim wage to like 7 an hr. i believe the waiters and all get at least 4-5 an hr standard now. makes me want to tip even more less so.
 
The few extra bucks will not have a big impact on my budget. But, if everyone tipped a few extra, it would have an impact on the person receiving it.
well for some people it can have an impact.

i know im strapped for cash as most college students are. and i know damn well i deserve and need my money more than some dude i dont know at all who is just giving me my food and the bill (which if I could I would refill my own drinks and pick up my own food but I don't have that option do i)

i mean seriously, do any of you tip at a mcdonalds or burger king when they hand you your food....i dont think so and nor do they expect you to. takes more effort than making a drink in my opinion too.

I read in a magazine, you are suppose to tip EVERYBODY, ranging from garbage guys, to hair cutters, milk men, newspaper guys, teachers and what not during the holiday season. Makes absolutely no sense to me at all and I don't have that much spare cash to just toss around.

when your diet consists of 1 dollar meals and power bars i do budget for every dollar lol

dont get me wrong, ill tip and usually well (heck once left 30 on a 8 dollar meal) if i see great effort on thier part
 
I worked as a server, therefore I have great respect.

Anyone who has not worked as a server, should consider doing so at one point.
It was a great experience for me.
 
i think the best lesson in tipping comes from 3rd Rock from the Sun:

Dick (john lithgow) is at a restaurant, and when his waiter approaches he puts a big stack of dollar bills on the table, and tells the waiter that this is his "potential tip," and that he will deduct money for mistakes or bad service.


i go in with an "assumed" 15%, good service gets 20%, very good service 25%, exceptional service has gotten as high as 50%. bad service gets lower and really bad service gets a quarter on top of the check so they do not think i forgot.
 
Back in the day people would rip $100 dollar bills in half.

They would give half of it on the first day and explain if you provide good service, at the end of the week I'll give you the other half.

lol
 
i know im strapped for cash as most college students are. and i know damn well i deserve and need my money more than some dude i dont know at all who is just giving me my food and the bill (which if I could I would refill my own drinks and pick up my own food but I don't have that option do i)

i mean seriously, do any of you tip at a mcdonalds or burger king when they hand you your food....i dont think so and nor do they expect you to. takes more effort than making a drink in my opinion too.

Well, I think the solution is pretty obvious then -- if you can't afford to tip when you eat at a nicer place than fast food, then ... *drumroll* don't eat there! Go to McDonalds and save your money. :D

I agree that tipping SHOULD be about "above and beyond" service and if it were my rules I would tip nothing for "blah" service and up, say, 20% for great service. However, it's not my rules, it is society and culture, which practically dictates a minimum 10-15% tip no matter what. If I try to protest "the system" by leaving nothing, I am the one that looks like a cheapskate and my intended message is completely lost.

I remember once eating at a reasonably nice seafood place and the family seated at the table next to mine was complaining about the bill. They had ordered an enormous seafood platter (this restaurant's specialty) and were charged something like $19 a head instead of the $15 they had seen in some newspaper ad from a number of weeks prior. The wait staff explained, that ad was about a month old, that lead times for publication meant those prices had been set about 6-8 weeks ago, seafood prices were seasonal and, at the time, prices were rising everywhere. The customers were irate, made a scene and ended up paying exactly the bill, leaving no tip at all. I know this because the restaurant owner was so exasperated that he turned to the nearest guy that would listen -- my table -- and went on about how market prices were beyond his control and all that.

Now, this family was Asian. So am I. I hate to bring racial stereotypes into this but you know as well as I do that a lot of Asian folks are cheap and don't tip well (if at all). My parents are, unfortunately, like that too.

Not wanting to perpetuate the stereotype, I resolved to do one better than the other guys. I happened to be paying for the meal that day, and (rude customers aside) it was pretty fantastic -- we even received a cold cut appetizer platter "with compliments from the chef"! (Seriously, how many places do that anymore?) I left something like a 30% tip. The manager actually met me at the door to thank me for my patronage and offered to give me a free appetizer next time I came.

Sadly I never got a chance to go back, and I don't think they are there anymore.

Another time I took 11 teenagers out for dinner at a fairly upscale steak restaurant. It was their "grad" dinner for completing a 2-year leadership training program under my tutelage at a summer camp. They loved it -- semi-formal clothing, slicked hair and make-up on the girls. I told them to order whatever they wanted, which they took advantage of (except the one boy who suddenly decided he was vegeterian and ordered only a fried onion and a baked potato. At a steakhouse!) We kept the waitress busy. When the time came I gave her my credit card before even asking for the bill. "I don't even want to see it", I told her, "just run it through." I gave her a nice tip that night, for putting up with 12 rowdy summer-camp personalities! When the bill comes to something like $300, what's another $50? :p

Normally I tip 15% for food, I give a couple bucks for haircuts and delivery people. I round up to the nearest whole dollar, too, like another poster mentioned doing.
 
well for some people it can have an impact.

i know im strapped for cash as most college students are. and i know damn well i deserve and need my money more than some dude i dont know at all who is just giving me my food and the bill (which if I could I would refill my own drinks and pick up my own food but I don't have that option do i)

i mean seriously, do any of you tip at a mcdonalds or burger king when they hand you your food....i dont think so and nor do they expect you to. takes more effort than making a drink in my opinion too.

I read in a magazine, you are suppose to tip EVERYBODY, ranging from garbage guys, to hair cutters, milk men, newspaper guys, teachers and what not during the holiday season. Makes absolutely no sense to me at all and I don't have that much spare cash to just toss around.

when your diet consists of 1 dollar meals and power bars i do budget for every dollar lol

dont get me wrong, ill tip and usually well (heck once left 30 on a 8 dollar meal) if i see great effort on thier part

Well if tipping will send your budget into a tail spin. Then what the heck are you doing eating out? Go to the store and buy some Ramen Noodles and scrape by. Trust me, I have been there...
 
Well if tipping will send your budget into a tail spin. Then what the heck are you doing eating out? Go to the store and buy some Ramen Noodles and scrape by. Trust me, I have been there...

so have i, for 5 years. i can think of maybe 10 times during my college years that i went to a "sit down" type restaurant.......mainly the mexican place or ruby tuesdays...and i always tipped at least 10%, because if i had the money to eat out, i made sure to budget for a tip. most of the time i survived by eating ramen, turkey sandwiches, and instant mashed potatoes.

ah, the life of a college student. :)
 
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