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You can get by in life without an AW, it is a luxury item. Then there are those who want to stand out even more from that group of owners and are quite happy to pay for it, I don’t think depreciation is a concern for them. Apple knows this and there is a reason they are worth so much as a company.
 
I’m not sure how offering less choice is better for the consumer.

I disagree that Ti and Ceramic are pointless period however I would agree that they are pointless for “most” consumers but are very good for a smaller subset of consumers that are very profitable for Apple.

Right, it’s like saying that an auto manufacturer should only offer one base model of a car, but there are various trim levels that are on the ‘higher end’ that appeal to a different demographic (Example would be Dodge offering the Charger in a base V6 and all the way up to a $65,00” Hellcat). Same concept here with the titanium, ceramic stainless, etc. Not everybody wants the aluminum, some are very particular about aesthetics, and Apple being a ‘fashion company’ in a sense, I commend them for offering different case materials, which has something for everyone at different price points.
 
I think you’re correct happyprozak. All these different materials are making the Apple Watch buying experience far to complex.
They should just cut it down to aluminium in different colours, gps or cellular and include sapphire glass in all models.
Titanium, SS and ceramic is absolutely pointless in something that is useless after a couples of years.
Especially when it contains a constant depreciating battery and the insides are identical in all models including the cheapest.
if Apple offered better trade-in prices or something similar to the iPhone upgrade program it might be an easier pill to swallow.
Completely disagrees. I wouldn’t wear an Al watch with dress shirt and tie, but I would wear the SS or Ti. These cases are for those who wants to wear only the Apple Watch. I stopped wearing all of my mechanical watches once I got a SS Apple Watch.
 
Right, it’s like saying that an auto manufacturer should only offer one base model of a car, but there are various trim levels that are on the ‘higher end’ that appeal to a different demographic (Example would be Dodge offering the Charger in a base V6 and all the way up to a $65,00” Hellcat). Same concept here with the titanium, ceramic stainless, etc. Not everybody wants the aluminum, some are very particular about aesthetics, and Apple being a ‘fashion company’ in a sense, I commend them for offering different case materials, which has something for everyone at different price points.


I agree with your point but hour comparison is a bit “extra” lol!

A higher trim of a vehicle comes with many extra features. In your comparison with the a v6 charger and the “hellcat”, a complete overhaul in terms of internals not to mention the dozens of other features. With an apple watch, you get different material of the casing, watch faces, and bands.
 
I bought my watch bc of it's aesthetic, a small handful of its features but also bc I can afford it. The time, date and heart rate are always on, which is waht I want. But its ubiquitous mobile wallet that allows me to leave my phone at home closes the deal for me. Garmin Pay and Samsung Pay are abysmal.

I was never a fan of the AW until I saw it in titanium with a link bracelet. I understand I'm taking a hit on this on resale but it's all good, and a price I'm willing to pay.
 

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My preview post was not meant to offend anyone interested in the edition watches.
I just wish that Apple took as much care in the accessories as they did with the watch. We have sport bands with pins that don’t match the watch cases, the titanium deserves its own link bracelet, the 40mm doesn’t have a leather loop etc.
The Apple Watch line just feels off to me personally.
 
My preview post was not meant to offend anyone interested in the edition watches.
I just wish that Apple took as much care in the accessories as they did with the watch. We have sport bands with pins that don’t match the watch cases, the titanium deserves its own link bracelet, the 40mm doesn’t have a leather loop etc.
The Apple Watch line just feels off to me personally.

Had Jony Ives stayed on the AW design team. things would have been better. But he quit, probably due to tim cook’s penny pinching ass.
 
I use to wear a mechanical watch and I scratched and marred the casing despite being careful. Most of the time I didn't even know how it happened so I'm not surprised that someone may misattribute the cause of the scratches.

It's certainly possible the coating is what is being scratched and not the actual metal casing. I remember complaints from many years ago that iPhones were scratching too easily but it wasn't the glass that was scratching, it was the oleophobic coating. Another possibility is that the manufacturer is having trouble controlling the quality of the coating and we are saying varying results with varying effects.

With all that said, bare titanium is easy to scratch and we don't know anything about the durability of the coating Apple is using.

Those from the mechanical watch world have known about the low scratch resistance of titanium for a long time. It is easy to be confused about the durability of titanium in a watch because titanium is advertised as stronger than stainless steel but there are different types of strengths in metals and titanium is actually weaker in scratch resistance than stainless steel. The type of strength advantage that titanium holds over stainless steel would never play a role in a watch because we don't put watches under that type of stress.

I have a Rolex that I've worn for probably over 15 years on a daily basis. I'm very rough with it, I've done tons of construction work with it on such as finishing my basement, remodeling my house, installing a deck, etc and overall I'm not careful with it in the least. It has plenty of swirls and character, but not a single "scratch", certainly nothing that looks like what others have posted on here. Not even the bracelet, much less the casing. That's why I agree that maybe it's something in the coating, or residue from the scratching material that could be buffed off possibly. Either way it's a conundrum, I really tried hard to scratch that Ti watch with another piece of metal and couldn't.
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Its 2 day delivery here from Apple in the UK for the brown strap. You in the US?

Yeah I'm in the US. I looked this morning and see that delivery times went from December to end of October! I'm actually just waiting for one to be in stock at a store as I really dislike waiting for shipments and would rather just go pick it up. Plus I'm not sure on sizing.
 
You can get by in life without an AW, it is a luxury item. Then there are those who want to stand out even more from that group of owners and are quite happy to pay for it, I don’t think depreciation is a concern for them. Apple knows this and there is a reason they are worth so much as a company.

I disagree. Sure buying a Ti watch is not an issue for me financially, but I still like to have something with good resale value. Just because someone is financially sound doesn't mean they become stupid overnight. I get that a lot of "want" items shouldn't expect to have good resale values and don't disagree, but it is still one factor of many that I think about when making a luxury purchase. Conversely iphones usually have the best resale values and that solidifies my decision to purchase one every year. It's just a shame that AW's have such horrendous resale values.
 
I disagree. Sure buying a Ti watch is not an issue for me financially, but I still like to have something with good resale value. Just because someone is financially sound doesn't mean they become stupid overnight. I get that a lot of "want" items shouldn't expect to have good resale values and don't disagree, but it is still one factor of many that I think about when making a luxury purchase. Conversely iphones usually have the best resale values and that solidifies my decision to purchase one every year. It's just a shame that AW's have such horrendous resale values.
Where are you trying to sell yours? I sold my Hermès Series 4 for $700; about half the price. It’s the same for phones.
 
I have a Rolex that I've worn for probably over 15 years on a daily basis. I'm very rough with it, I've done tons of construction work with it on such as finishing my basement, remodeling my house, installing a deck, etc and overall I'm not careful with it in the least. It has plenty of swirls and character, but not a single "scratch", certainly nothing that looks like what others have posted on here. Not even the bracelet, much less the casing. That's why I agree that maybe it's something in the coating, or residue from the scratching material that could be buffed off possibly. Either way it's a conundrum, I really tried hard to scratch that Ti watch with another piece of metal and couldn't.

I imagine the crystal on the watch is sapphire and still looks pristine, unless you have a Rolex with an acrylic crystal, so I'm assuming the swirls you are referring to are on the metal case.

Aren't these swirls basically scratches in circular patterns? And is it stainless steel?

And have you ever sent your Rolex for servicing and had it polished?

It would be interesting to see a picture of the swirls for comparison purposes.
 
If you want to read what those in the watch world think and say about titanium, here are two discussions of it with pictures in some posts,


 
My preview post was not meant to offend anyone interested in the edition watches.
I just wish that Apple took as much care in the accessories as they did with the watch. We have sport bands with pins that don’t match the watch cases, the titanium deserves its own link bracelet, the 40mm doesn’t have a leather loop etc.
The Apple Watch line just feels off to me personally.

Here’s how I look at this. Sport bands are easily manufactured, because they come straight from a mold with a little bit of dye for the Fluoroelastomer bands, Which is why Apple has so many variations on a yearly basis.

Now, you made the comment that Apple should have a link band for the titanium Apple Watch, but the link band is a totally different manufacturing process, which actually takes approximately nine hours per link band to be manufactured (See link below), so if you think about what the cost benefit for Apple to manufacturer a Ti link band that likely doesn’t even reach a small percentage of users, probably isn’t really Luke enough for Apple to do that. I Would look at this from a business perspective versus a consumer request.

 
Ok so I have a question for you guys.

Unfortunately I’m returning my titanium because it’s just not a big enough leap for me to spend another 1k this year. So I will be keeping my space black S4 another year.

My question is though since I transferred my cellular to the titanium and I’m getting a replacement series 4 do I need to remove my cellular plan from the series 5 when I unpair it or I do I choose keep plan?
 
Ok so I have a question for you guys.

Unfortunately I’m returning my titanium because it’s just not a big enough leap for me to spend another 1k this year. So I will be keeping my space black S4 another year.

My question is though since I transferred my cellular to the titanium and I’m getting a replacement series 4 do I need to remove my cellular plan from the series 5 when I unpair it or I do I choose keep plan?
Based on my experience, what you need to do is unpair your S5 but keep the plan. Pair your new S4 and ask your carrier to transfer the plan with the new EID number. When you know that the plan is activated on your S4, repair your S5, bypassing the plan activation and then unpair it and delete the plan.
 
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Based on my experience, what you need to do is unpair your S5 but keep the plan. Pair your new S4 and ask your carrier to transfer the plan with the new EID number. When you know that the plan is activated on your S4, repair your S5, bypassing the plan activation and then unpair it and delete the plan.

Ok thanks!
 
I saw the black titanium and did a side by side with both the aluminum and stainless (pic attached). The titanium looked marvelous BUT like many others have observed it was scratched. The guy said he saw it happen when it was dropped - very sad. I’ve got one on order but I’m really on the fence now. It looks much better with the stainless band but the durability is a concern.

Between this durability concern, the lack of new functionality and some accounts of shorter battery life I’m wondering if it may be better to stay with my series 4 SBSS this year.

Update - odd coincidence moved me to the Series 5 on the SBSS. My father in law had a bad cardiologist appt resulting in my wife demanding I get him an Apple Watch ASAP. We live in a small town and stock of SS is short these days so I put him in my Series 4 SBSS. (Side note: had to lie to the health app that he didn't have Afib to get the heart monitor set up.) I put in a pick up order in Dallas for the SBSS since I was going to be in town anyway. Took one last look at the SBTi at the store but the value equation just didn't add up. Cancelled my pending SBti order - felt slightly painful.

I'm sure some here will get a chuckle on this one though - I got a series 3 Aluminum from Walmart as an interim that I'll be returning this week. I'm such a wuss - couldn't hack not having a watch and keeping up with the rings for the intervening days.
 
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If you want to read what those in the watch world think and say about titanium, here are two discussions of it with pictures in some posts,


Interesting quote from the top thread

"A few strokes of a simple ink eraser will remove almost all scratches on a Ti watch "

Whoever is sending their natural Ti back (that has scratches) try that out and report back :)


From the other thread
"The good thing about untreated grade 2 titanium, is you can polish it out very easily with a piece of scotch brite polishing cloth, if your titanium watch has a brushed finish "

Does anyone know what "grade" Ti Apple uses for these watches?
 
Update - odd coincidence moved me to the Series 5 on the SBSS. My father in law had a bad cardiologist appt resulting in my wife demanding I get him an Apple Watch ASAP. We live in a small town and stock of SS is short these days so I put him in my Series 4 SBSS. (Side note: had to lie to the health app that he didn't have Afib to get the heart monitor set up.) I put in a pick up order in Dallas for the SBSS since I was going to be in town anyway. Took one last look at the SBTi at the store but the value equation just didn't add up. Cancelled my pending SBti order - felt slightly painful.

I'm sure some here will get a chuckle on this one though - I got a series 3 Aluminum from Walmart as an interim that I'll be returning this week. I'm such a wuss - couldn't hack not having a watch and keeping up with the rings for the intervening days.
Hope grandpa is good. Don’t blame you one bit. I’m deciding between the Ceramic and 2 titaniums
 
Ok so I have a question for you guys.

Unfortunately I’m returning my titanium because it’s just not a big enough leap for me to spend another 1k this year. So I will be keeping my space black S4 another year.

My question is though since I transferred my cellular to the titanium and I’m getting a replacement series 4 do I need to remove my cellular plan from the series 5 when I unpair it or I do I choose keep plan?

Too bad. Meanwhile I sit and wait for my Space Black Titanium watch to be shipped. I've been wanting Titanium for a few years now.
 
Too bad. Meanwhile I sit and wait for my Space Black Titanium watch to be shipped. I've been wanting Titanium for a few years now.

I was hoping that actually having it physically it would wow me but unfortunately I just don’t feel the same excitement for it like I did my series 4.

When I’m trying to justify keeping it then I know it’s something I shouldn’t spend my money on. I’ll definitely buy the series 6 next year.
 
Interesting quote from the top thread

"A few strokes of a simple ink eraser will remove almost all scratches on a Ti watch "

Whoever is sending their natural Ti back (that has scratches) try that out and report back :)


From the other thread
"The good thing about untreated grade 2 titanium, is you can polish it out very easily with a piece of scotch brite polishing cloth, if your titanium watch has a brushed finish "

Does anyone know what "grade" Ti Apple uses for these watches?

The keyword here is "untreated" because many titanium watches have a coating applied, including both the natural and space black versions from Apple.

Someone in an earlier post said they were able to polish their titanium Apple Watch but they most likely removed the coating Apple applies.

At this point, who knows what that means long term. Taking a look at the Apple website it reads,

"For the natural brushed titanium finish, Apple invented a whole new surface treatment that is stain and fingerprint resistant to keep it looking immaculate. The space black titanium finish uses a diamond-like coating, making it both beautiful and incredibly durable."
 
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