I go to the mountains all the time. 2 bars there, but no matter how I hold it, I still have 2 bars. Got it?
Your OP is old news.
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I go to the mountains all the time. 2 bars there, but no matter how I hold it, I still have 2 bars. Got it?
Your OP is old news.
I don't decide how people should hold it, but seeing the videos of the way people do hold it, I wouldn't be surprised if they ever actually held it comfortably that way in a phone call at all.
People will overcompensate such things like grips when they are trying to observe a problem. So much so that they will hold in a way that is unnatural.
A natural grip is one that isn't over-thought
LOL...communcate what? You've been pretty much an unabashed douche in every other thread you've posted in lately, what makes anyone think you'll act any other way in any other thread? BTW, you're nowhere near as clever as you apparently think you are. Start with that.
There is an iPhone 4 issue but:
* kre62 is troll
* kre62 doesn't own an iPhone
Mods - you know what to do with this troll thread.
* kre62 is troll
* kre62 doesn't own an iPhone
Mods - you know what to do with this troll thread.
It is sad to see the people who say "Mine Works" or "Don't have the problem" give the finger to those who are having the problem.
Don't you want to understand why this is happening to them or is it their own damn problem and you could care less as long as your phone works for you. Are you even "curious" why most people are having the problem?
Why can't this be a community where we are trying to figure how if there are "magic phones" out there they don't suffer from this problem that is happening to most.
If you have a phone where you don't think you have the reception problem, you are in the rare position where you can actually give information and do specific test to those that do have the problem.
Instead of playing "Mine works and yours don't, nah nah nah nah nah!" why can't we work together to figure out these issues. This is a very good chance that you have such a great signal where you are located that you can not produce the problem. Doesn't it concern you at all that you can be on the edge of service and your phone might not work because it is defective?
I think the most valuable test we could do is find somebody that has a phone without the reception problem, and meet up with somebody that does and have each person do the "Death Grip" to the other persons phone to see what the results are.
At this point we have no data on (at least that I am aware of) of some phones getting better reception in the exact same location as others.
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Edited to add. For the record I have the "2nd shipment" of phones and I have actually dropped a few calls because I was "holding it wrong". I had to call the person back holding it correctly and was able to have the call work correctly.
Don't you want to understand why this is happening to them or is it their own damn problem and you could care less as long as your phone works for you. Are you even "curious" why most people are having the problem?
Why can't this be a community where we are trying to figure how if there are "magic phones" out there they don't suffer from this problem that is happening to most.
If you have a phone where you don't think you have the reception problem, you are in the rare position where you can actually give information and do specific test to those that do have the problem.
Instead of playing "Mine works and yours don't, nah nah nah nah nah!" why can't we work together to figure out these issues. This is a very good chance that you have such a great signal where you are located that you can not produce the problem. Doesn't it concern you at all that you can be on the edge of service and your phone might not work because it is defective?
I think the most valuable test we could do is find somebody that has a phone without the reception problem, and meet up with somebody that does and have each person do the "Death Grip" to the other persons phone to see what the results are.
At this point we have no data on (at least that I am aware of) of some phones getting better reception in the exact same location as others.
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Edited to add. For the record I have the "2nd shipment" of phones and I have actually dropped a few calls because I was "holding it wrong". I had to call the person back holding it correctly and was able to have the call work correctly.
Right. So asking about whether a newbie who comes in with a first post about the failings of the iPhone 4 (which we've heard about 10,000 times by now) whether he has an iPhone 4 makes me a douche? Right.
Thanks for sharing, A#1 douchebag!
There is an iPhone 4 issue but:
* kre62 is troll
* kre62 doesn't own an iPhone
Mods - you know what to do with this troll thread.
Thank you. This is what I've been saying all along.
Exactly, What if you have attenuation of -20db - that is an approximate value anyways, but more importantly one needs to answer the question - "How does this fact affect me personally?" Do I stay on the call, do I get the data through? If the answer to both questions is yes - why would you care?
In my personal experience, I live around a soft spot, and I was constantly dropping calls with my 3GS, In 3 weeks owning IP4, I dropped maybe 3-5 calls total - massive improvement. In the areas with strong signal - both IP4 and 3GS ranks the same in my opinion, except better voice quality due to noise canceling mic on IP4. With data is the same story, but IP4 process it faster due to faster hardware. Bottom line, I see overall improvement in my communication with IP4
For the record my phone was showing 4 bars and the person on the other end said I was breaking up but I could hear them fine. They were on a land line so the only "wireless breakup" that could occur was on my end. I noticed I was holding my "phone wrong" and after holding the phone the "correct way" they were able to hear me ok.
So in this case, the bars looked great but the communication was breaking up because of how I was holding the phone.
I have a case being shipped to me so this is not going to be an issue any more once I put it on, but I agree with others that a phone should work correctly without having to put any outside fixes on it like a case.
The problem is 99% of those posting here about "iPhone 4 reception problem" seem to be trolls and not actual iPhone 4 owners. So "nah nah nah" seems like an appropriate response.
Please don't assume I post like it is not a problem. I'm responding to those who state we all have problems. We don't.
There is a measured 20+ db decrease in signal on the iphone4 when the antennae is bridged. If you are relying on the bar display alone to tell you if you have the problem, you are not getting the whole story. If you have a strong signal already, the signal attenuation will still put you in the 5 bar range. This does not mean that you dont have the problem.
See this chart for details:
Yawn. A 20 db signal decrease is not necessarily a problem. A dropped call is a problem. Not able to make a call is a problem. In all cases in all ways using my phone I can make calls in areas my iPhone 3GS could not. My iPhone 3GS would drop calls routinely in bad signal areas. My iPhone 4 handles those areas fine.
What's the problem again? A measurement on a graph?
Oh, I have mine in a case. Yes I do. The iPhone 4 has glass on two sides. Dropping it on concrete without a case, that could be a problem too.
I look forward to the day we talk about real problems.
right. im glad ure not a tester for any hardware company
i just read through 3 pages and it looks as though MOST do not OWN an iPhone4.
Is there even a thread that lists users with the death grip issue, added with where they are located, and if they were in a region with poor signal?
everyone is bitchin and nobody is troubleshooting. what a shame..
There is a measured 20+ db decrease in signal on the iphone4 when the antennae is bridged. If you are relying on the bar display alone to tell you if you have the problem, you are not getting the whole story. If you have a strong signal already, the signal attenuation will still put you in the 5 bar range. This does not mean that you dont have the problem.
See this chart for details:
Buy a case, problem solved. Guess what, that also means buy a case, NO PROBLEM.
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What I love is many of the ones posting on threads like this about reception problems don't even have iPhones.
I just with the OP would stop addressing you like you're a guy, last I remember you were a woman! A very funny, whitty women!
fun reading your replies to him
I just with the OP would stop addressing you like you're a guy, last I remember you were a woman! A very funny, whitty women!
Aw, gee whiz, etc. Thanks.
And yes, I am a woman.
Jesus LordOBoogie, you may have taken the crown for the most annoying person I've ever seen on these forums.
I don't have any problems with my iPhone either, I'm in a good signal area so I never see my bars drop when I hold my phone in the death grip. But other people aren't as lucky, and their phone's signal does drop.
That doesn't mean I'm going to act like a complete douche bag about it, and call anybody who provides good information about the issue a troll, and say "Durrrr he's a newbie, he doesn't have an iPhone, burn him at the steak!!" I have an open mind and can listen to opposing points of view, anything that educates me about the problem more. If I disagree with something i'll come up with a thought out argument, which is something LordOBoogie has a very hard time doing.
I swear to god this place sometimes makes me embarrassed to own an Apple product.
I don't have any problems with my iPhone either, I'm in a good signal area so I never see my bars drop when I hold my phone in the death grip. But other people aren't as lucky, and their phone's signal does drop.
That doesn't mean I'm going to act like a complete douche bag about it, and call anybody who provides good information about the issue a troll, and say "Durrrr he's a newbie, he doesn't have an iPhone, burn him at the steak!!" I have an open mind and can listen to opposing points of view, anything that educates me about the problem more. If I disagree with something i'll come up with a thought out argument, which is something LordOBoogie has a very hard time doing.
I swear to god this place sometimes makes me embarrassed to own an Apple product.
Because of all the noise, it really is hard to determine how prevalent this issue really is. I've not seen one iPhone 4 personally that had the issue. In line when I got it on the 29th, no one even knew about the issue. I wish a responsible news organization would cover this in more depth without an agenda.
The thing is we already KNOW what the issue is. Bridging the antenna. And we already KNOW the fix. 1) A case. 2) or if you prefer some tape. 3) Or, well, holding it differently. 4) Or returning it.
I cant speak for everyone else that have already accepted this, but I know I am tired of the over hyping negativity in the news and people who don't even have one, probably never will, pouring gasoline on the flames. And from what I can tell, this is not a matter of 'most people have this problem' but the opposite. Most people seem to feel their phones work great. But we get washed out in the noise. I do feel bad for those experiencing problems in low signal areas but do not understand why they don't accept one of the 4 choices for now.
If this whole reception phenomena is such a big issue for you, just return the damn thing. As if any other phone on AT&T's shiitty-a$$ network doesn't have the same issue. At least with the iPhone 4, you know exactly where it doesn't like to be touched. So, just don't touch it there. It's a tiny spot on the phone. I'm sure you can live with it...if not, well too bad, that's your problem...just return it.
Aww, sweet. Thanks so much for sharing. It is really cute that you think anyone cares.
Burn him at the "STEAK," huh? Awesome. You win the crown for best speller EVER!
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