Use your phone in the exact same location as somebody else who is having the problem and I guarantee you'll have it too. Seriously, I'm beginning to suspect that there may be an entire population of otherwise intelligent people who failed to develop object permanence, e.g. "If I don't see it, it doesn't exist".
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To everyone who thinks they dont have a reception problem
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Use your phone in the exact same location as somebody else who is having the problem and I guarantee you'll have it too. Seriously, I'm beginning to suspect that there may be an entire population of otherwise intelligent people who failed to develop object permanence, e.g. "If I don't see it, it doesn't exist".
Agreed. Your final paragraph is exactly what people should do. Not happy, take advantage of the refund policy and move on.
My point is, whether or not the issue exists is irrelevent if I dont experience it.
Why would I care if my phone works perfectly? Even if I do have the "problem."
Wrong because other phones don't have a sweet spot that will kill a call. They may have it, but they're inside the phone where you'll never be able to touch it. With the iPhone, you have the antennae completely exposed and open to touch that sweet spot.
That is an Apple problem my friend.
I agree that I easily switched to the other hand when making calls; however, the awkward way is the natural way to hold it when surfing the net if you are right handed.
+1 on testing two phones in the same location.
I want to know if there are "Magic Phones" that don't suffer from the same problem.
You see, this is the problem. Why should he even have to do this?
We are not denying it doesn't happen when you touch that spot, but why the heck would you want to just to show that it does? If you don't touch it in that spot and it doesn't drop your calls, what is the problem?
The ones who are aware of this and still decide to keep their iPhone 4 and don't complain about it, are smart enough not to bridge the two antennas, which becomes a non-issue for them.
If you absolutely cannot hold the phone without avoiding the spot, then return your iPhone. I really do not see an issue here.
The problem is NOT Apple, the problem is YOU.
They don't need to prove it to you (or anyone else demanding proof), and if you think they should, you can indeed go suck it.
I'm just curious, what percentage of iPhone 4 owners do some of you people think are experiencing this issue to the point where it renders their device frustrating to use? If just 10% of the first weekend buyers were having this problem, then that would be about 170,000 people, but some Apple haters/Fandroids would have us believe that people with a well-functioning iPhone 4 (or "Magic Phone") are in the minority. If that were the case, shouldn't we be reading story after story about Apple/AT&T stores flooded with returns by angry customers?
Apple already confirmed that the people who don't have the problem actual have the problem. They said the the algorithm they used to calculator the signal for bars was off, so in effect the people who still had full bars really don't. All that combined with the way you hold the phone plus how far you are from a tower and the frequency at wich u are connected just makes this a big mess. Another thing that effects this is the fact that AT&T messed there network crippling there download and upload speeds they say ut only affects 2% of there costumers but I bet it is more. So apple says there working on the algorithm (witch just makes the problem more apparent) and att says there working on fixing the network. So only rime will tell so stop all the arguing and all agree we love our iPhone 4's
You're supposed to have a problem! 'Cause if you don't we're not satisfied. We'll help you find a problem if need be. Hmmm, maybe if you drop the thing....
Seriously, hasn't this horse been beat enough?
Ok ok, let's just say this is true "my friend".
Have you thought about returning your iPhone 4 for a full refund with no restocking fee and resetting your 2 year upgrade eligibility? You still have time you know. It is still not too late you know. You can move on with your life you know. So, get "that phone" that doesn't have a death-grip issue if you must stay on AT&T's ********* network. Or get a phone on Verizon...you will get even better signals with no dropped calls...
I still don't see an issue here.
The problem is not Apple, the problem is YOU.
When I first purchased my phone in New Jersey, I was totally unable to replicate the problem until later in the day when I was driving up towards Albany, NY, where there was weaker signal and was able to replicate the issue. In any place where I have weak signal, I am able to replicate the issue. Here is how and why it hasn't really affected me.
Well, whats the first thing I did... I reinvented the wheel for myself and just started holding the phone differently. I felt it was appropriate, as I found myself cradling the phone more anyways. I used the phone naked for approximately two weeks before giving in and getting myself a screen protector and a rubber iFrogz case (sorry don't know the specific model). The second I slipped the case on, I have been UNABLE TO REPLICATE THE PROBLEM REGARDLESS OF MY LOCATION. It made the phone slightly more bulky, but the rubber covers all glass edges so I'm hoping if a drop occurs impact will be minimal. I use this case when I'm at work and don't necessarily have the phone in my pocket all the time. I recently received a bumper case and likewise I have been UNABLE TO REPLICATE THE PROBLEM REGARDLESS OF MY LOCATION. I know no one should have to have a case for their phone, but come on, every cellular phone has it's positive's and negatives. A $30 or so dollar case shouldn't be a deal breaker for most rational folks especially if you were really interested in all the phone offers besides just calling features. Sure, it's not an ideal situation, but most things aren't. Worst case scenario, really is that one year from now, everyone will be lining up for the iPhone 4G or 4+, with 100% resolved signal issues.
I recall someone somewhere saying how Apple, shortly after the news of the signal issue broke, was hiring approximately seven new employee's in the antenna department. I doubt this was damage control, and more likely a quick firing, for a grave oversight. Regardless, without a shred of evidence, I can almost guarantee you will not have this problem on any future iPhone, or apple mobile device for that matter, ever.
These are the mistakes that occur in the name of "progress". Ultimately, Apple was shooting for the stars and fell short, because my iPhone 4 get's better reception than any previous iPhone I've owned. Owner since 1st-gen. I'm able to connect to calls, when I have one to no bars, and rarely get drops unless I'm in a spot where I know I barely get service. I'm in the North East Kingdom of Vermont at the moment, with extremely marginal service, but have been able to take this iPhone where no iPhone has gone with me before. Yes, I do have to hold the phone differently when it's naked, and yes, a case has eliminated 99.9% of any antenna "bridging" problems, but I think CNN posting gross pictures of giant pieces of duct tape covering most of the left side of phone are just really in poor taste. A very marginal, less than quarter inch, by quarter inch piece of tape would resolve the issue if you did want to go that route and insist on using the phone naked.
Folks need to wait and see how Apple responds to this in the long run. They've just launched a massive product, people's order's aren't even fulfilled they aren't gonna just come out and admit this minor failure as the downfall of their device. A software update will likely fix the noticeability of the issue, and we will go from there. We will see a recall, an admission, apology, or possibly just nothing by the end of the summer.
Well, whats the first thing I did... I reinvented the wheel for myself and just started holding the phone differently. I felt it was appropriate, as I found myself cradling the phone more anyways. I used the phone naked for approximately two weeks before giving in and getting myself a screen protector and a rubber iFrogz case (sorry don't know the specific model). The second I slipped the case on, I have been UNABLE TO REPLICATE THE PROBLEM REGARDLESS OF MY LOCATION. It made the phone slightly more bulky, but the rubber covers all glass edges so I'm hoping if a drop occurs impact will be minimal. I use this case when I'm at work and don't necessarily have the phone in my pocket all the time. I recently received a bumper case and likewise I have been UNABLE TO REPLICATE THE PROBLEM REGARDLESS OF MY LOCATION. I know no one should have to have a case for their phone, but come on, every cellular phone has it's positive's and negatives. A $30 or so dollar case shouldn't be a deal breaker for most rational folks especially if you were really interested in all the phone offers besides just calling features. Sure, it's not an ideal situation, but most things aren't. Worst case scenario, really is that one year from now, everyone will be lining up for the iPhone 4G or 4+, with 100% resolved signal issues.
I recall someone somewhere saying how Apple, shortly after the news of the signal issue broke, was hiring approximately seven new employee's in the antenna department. I doubt this was damage control, and more likely a quick firing, for a grave oversight. Regardless, without a shred of evidence, I can almost guarantee you will not have this problem on any future iPhone, or apple mobile device for that matter, ever.
These are the mistakes that occur in the name of "progress". Ultimately, Apple was shooting for the stars and fell short, because my iPhone 4 get's better reception than any previous iPhone I've owned. Owner since 1st-gen. I'm able to connect to calls, when I have one to no bars, and rarely get drops unless I'm in a spot where I know I barely get service. I'm in the North East Kingdom of Vermont at the moment, with extremely marginal service, but have been able to take this iPhone where no iPhone has gone with me before. Yes, I do have to hold the phone differently when it's naked, and yes, a case has eliminated 99.9% of any antenna "bridging" problems, but I think CNN posting gross pictures of giant pieces of duct tape covering most of the left side of phone are just really in poor taste. A very marginal, less than quarter inch, by quarter inch piece of tape would resolve the issue if you did want to go that route and insist on using the phone naked.
Folks need to wait and see how Apple responds to this in the long run. They've just launched a massive product, people's order's aren't even fulfilled they aren't gonna just come out and admit this minor failure as the downfall of their device. A software update will likely fix the noticeability of the issue, and we will go from there. We will see a recall, an admission, apology, or possibly just nothing by the end of the summer.
I lose my entire signal when I touch that black bar on the side. However, I don't really see how someone can cover that while holding the phone comfortably. You have to, like, dig your palm into the corner of the phone.
O RLY?
http://funsizebytes.com/post/745721120/instructions-from-my-nokia-2320
Oops. Looks like this isn't just an Apple problem after all.
It's just too easy to make some of you haters look silly.
Yes, but does it kill the signal completely like the iPhones I've been through?
yeah, remember when cell phones did have little pull out antenna's, if you touched those at all, on any model of phone, call's would immediately drop. I remember it being extremely frustrating on my first cell phone, as the antenna casing on it was huge.
Well, since you no longer are communicating with Ms. LordOBoggie, I would be interest, OP, if you would be so kind as to answer the question.....
DO YOU HAVE AN IPHONE 4?
Best regards and have a nice day.
I don't know, and I'm not going to buy a p.o.s. Nokia to find out.
But you're welcome to go pick one up and let us know.
I lose my entire signal when I touch that black bar on the side. However, I don't really see how someone can cover that while holding the phone comfortably. You have to, like, dig your palm into the corner of the phone.
That's how I normally hold my phone in the left hand. Type with the right. No digging required. I also mainly use the speaker phone, so I use it that way to answer calls. Trust me, if I had this issue the phone would already be returned and I'd have bought a used 3GS and waited until next year.
So you posted about something you have zero experience with or information on as proof of what?
As proof that the other poster was talking out of his ass. Which I proved nicely. But thanks for sticking your nose in anyway, kthxbai.
A whole other problem...
I don't have any reception issues, but lately I've noticed that if I'm holding the bottom left-hand side of the phone to my balls, I can't hear the person I'm talking to. And I even have a bumper on it! I know what you're thinking: "just turn on the speakerphone!!" But c'mon, that's just a band-aid. Maybe a software fix is necessary?
I don't have any reception issues, but lately I've noticed that if I'm holding the bottom left-hand side of the phone to my balls, I can't hear the person I'm talking to. And I even have a bumper on it! I know what you're thinking: "just turn on the speakerphone!!" But c'mon, that's just a band-aid. Maybe a software fix is necessary?
To everyone who owns phones other than the iPhone 4 and thinks they don't have a reception problem...
HTC Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yCpNLIRV1k
Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54
Nokia E71: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi1gHDa7-X0
Nokia N97: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZvCQfQxiPM
But according to some, this is only an Apple problem.
HTC Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yCpNLIRV1k
Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54
Nokia E71: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi1gHDa7-X0
Nokia N97: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZvCQfQxiPM
But according to some, this is only an Apple problem.
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