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iPad mini To those who think they have a perfect retina mini...
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Well, this will help clarify the matter. The gamut of colors you can see on an rMini is smaller than on the Air and older iPads:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7519/apple-ipad-mini-with-retina-display-reviewed/3
I think this is a valid issue and screen quality should be compared to other vendors when purchasing a tablet - especially for those trying to do Photoshop like work. This forum did a great job in helping to surfacing and defining the "issue". I think that's a great thing. Personally, I still think it's a good display.
I think the debate that went on leaves something to be desired, but that's easy to ignore and is a small price to pay for the speed in which we can get feedback on a less than one week old product...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7519/apple-ipad-mini-with-retina-display-reviewed/3
I think this is a valid issue and screen quality should be compared to other vendors when purchasing a tablet - especially for those trying to do Photoshop like work. This forum did a great job in helping to surfacing and defining the "issue". I think that's a great thing. Personally, I still think it's a good display.
I think the debate that went on leaves something to be desired, but that's easy to ignore and is a small price to pay for the speed in which we can get feedback on a less than one week old product...
You mean the "non issue" issue?
The review says the biggest issue with the gamut is that other competitors cover a larger gamut.
And we all know gamut is in the top 10,000 reasons most people buy a little tablet.
The review says the biggest issue with the gamut is that other competitors cover a larger gamut.
And we all know gamut is in the top 10,000 reasons most people buy a little tablet.
Lol wtf? This is beyond wrong in everything you said.
It's a hardware issue (the panel), it's not the color profile. It's that the panel was manufactured (within apple's approved standards) to have the same lower color gamut as the previous iPad. Therefore it looks just as washed out as the first gen mini, just with a much higher PPI. There will be no software fix. There cannot even be a software fix. There is also no app (or one that would have access to it anyway) that can change the color profile of the screen.
It has Maps, but lacks a GPS, so it won't work for turn-by-turn directions even if you do connect it to a Mi-Fi or tether it to a phone. It will use wi-fi triangulation to estimate your location.
Too many people are defending a product that has a screen that is empirically inferior (rMini) to the other (Air). You don't need to blow smoke up someone's ass and tell them it's raining. The issue clearly lies in the fact so many people purchased a mini intending that it would be equivalent to the Air in color quality. That, again, is empirically NOT the case. The screen looks good to you? Great! That's excellent and it's always good to see buyers remorse absent from someone who just purchased a new, expensive product. But to defend something that has been proven to be true, please.... Just stop.
You make too many assumptions. If you equate a smaller gamut to inferior, that's your problem. I equate it to design decision to reach a specific goal. Goal reached. The "so may people" may be a couple of dozen here at MacRumors, but I suspect that 99.9% of Mini purchasers have no idea of what gamut is nor do they care. So your "truth" is just an opinion. I'm not defending a "truth". I am just arguing against someone else's OPINION of the truth. Big difference.
By the way, both my Mini AND my Air are PERFECT.
It seemed like apple had a really tough time getting that retina display in the mini. That was their primary focus. I think the next generation will see substantial improvements in gamut and contrast ratio (hopefully).
I think so. And I think they will be able to shrink it back to its original size and weight and keep the same battery life. The rMini 3 is going to be awesome. It may even have 2GB of RAM!!!!
You make too many assumptions. If you equate a smaller gamut to inferior, that's your problem. I equate it to design decision to reach a specific goal. Goal reached. The "so may people" may be a couple of dozen here at MacRumors, but I suspect that 99.9% of Mini purchasers have no idea of what gamut is nor do they care. So your "truth" is just an opinion. I'm not defending a "truth". I am just arguing against someone else's OPINION of the truth. Big difference.
By the way, both my Mini AND my Air are PERFECT.
What assumptions were made? The goal of the Mini was to fit similar internals of the Air in a smaller form factor with the only compromise being a lack of screen real estate. Goal failed. I suspect your "99.9%" is probably way off track too. The posts here are a small sample size in comparison to the amount of Mini's sold, that much is true. But it's the volume of complaints within that small sample size that demonstrates how wide spread the problem really is. A 55 year old woman probably isn't going to give a ****, you're correct. But a vast amount of Americans think the world is only 3,000 years old too - ignorance doesn't make a fact untrue.
There, I highlighted one of your many assumptions. Where is the "source" of this goal?
The volume of complaints here means NOTHING. You cannot extrapolate anything from a Macrumors audience. We are by definition a very small group of very like minded people. All we have to do is look at iPad sales. They've sold over 170 MILLION of these things BEFORE this launch. They can't keep them stocked. So I am pretty sure this is a non issue.
So MILLIONS of people are buying iPads that do not reproduce 100% of the color gamut. Whether it is because they don't know any better or they don't care is irrelevant. Them buying it and being satisfied with their purchase is what counts. The $7.5 BILLION in profit Apple made last quarter, that is what counts. Over exaggerating problems in an enthusiast forum doesn't count. It makes for very entertaining reading, but ultimately pointless.
There, I highlighted one of your many assumptions. Where is the "source" of this goal?
The volume of complaints here means NOTHING. You cannot extrapolate anything from a Macrumors audience. We are by definition a very small group of very like minded people. All we have to do is look at iPad sales. They've sold over 170 MILLION of these things BEFORE this launch. They can't keep them stocked. So I am pretty sure this is a non issue.
So MILLIONS of people are buying iPads that do not reproduce 100% of the color gamut. Whether it is because they don't know any better or they don't care is irrelevant. Them buying it and being satisfied with their purchase is what counts. The $7.5 BILLION in profit Apple made last quarter, that is what counts. Over exaggerating problems in an enthusiast forum doesn't count. It makes for very entertaining reading, but ultimately pointless.
It would be easy for me to flip that around on you and say where is the "source" of your "goal" that was reached? I'm currently at work and don't have time to watch the Keynote presentation, but obviously everyone was under the impression that the Mini would be an Air that was replicated into a smaller form factor.
You keep stressing that this is a non issue. Uh, evidently, it is. Again, you can quote all kinds of numbers and talk about sales all you want - that doesn't erase the empirically evident fact that the Mini's screen is flawed in comparsion to the Air's. You are arguing that a vast majority of people aren't going to notice - that isn't being argued here, so you incessantly bringing that up is absolutely pointless. Stop. The Mini's gamut obviously affects many people who are photographers, video editors, artists, etc. because of it's shortcomings. That is a fact. Again, not all, but clearly the problem is widespread enough to point that this isn't a manufacturing defect by any means, but rather a hardware limitation of the device itself. You claim your Mini is perfect. I'm happy for you, and I'ma let you finish - but I do assume you have a Mini, and the mini itself is absolutely an incredibly powerful device that you use to look at pictures of cats and argue with strangers on the internet all day. But for a lot of people where the gamut comes into play in their daily lives every day with use of the Mini itself, it couldn't be any further than "perfect". There really is no point in arguing against that, and I'm sorry for failing to see what point outside of "Jody Foster down the street doesn't care" that you're trying to make.
Ummmmm, 170 million iPads sold? $7.5B in profit just in the last quarter? Its a pretty safe assumption. I mean, they could have been shooting for $8B. I don't know.
Funny you mention this. The Verge just did their review, and completely ignored this "issue". They gave the display a 10.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/14/5102786/ipad-mini-with-retina-display-review
Why? Because that's what most people are doing. Focusing on the rMini and what it does, not how it looks next to an Air.
Ummmm, no.
Well, I wonder what this "lot" of people have been doing for the past, ummm, FOREVER, since the Mini has NEVER had 100% color gamut? How have they been surviving all this time? Have they perhaps.... bought an iPad?
Are they paying people to post this crap, or is out of the love of people's hearts and they simply all do it for free?
This is NOT why I come here, to listen to a vocal minority scream and yell and post so many threads that even if all were true it merely says that every single problem with Apple products, every single one of those customers frequents this forum, and that means this forum is nothing but a gathering place for really unfortunate and unlucky people, but more likely, the reality is that it's become a place where it's so cool to complain (and people who want to be popular find out what the latest complaints are and join the discussions and even start their own threads). I don't come here for this, seriously, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this.
Please, can we create a thread or one location, perhaps a dedicated forum, where people can go and complain about Apple products in some big chicken little circle jerk - it's beyond ridiculous at this point. On the front page of MacRumors right now 3 of the top 5 threads listed are all the same thing, and if you go into the iPad forum listing, it's even more - all saying the same thing.
This is NOT why I come here, to listen to a vocal minority scream and yell and post so many threads that even if all were true it merely says that every single problem with Apple products, every single one of those customers frequents this forum, and that means this forum is nothing but a gathering place for really unfortunate and unlucky people, but more likely, the reality is that it's become a place where it's so cool to complain (and people who want to be popular find out what the latest complaints are and join the discussions and even start their own threads). I don't come here for this, seriously, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this.
Please, can we create a thread or one location, perhaps a dedicated forum, where people can go and complain about Apple products in some big chicken little circle jerk - it's beyond ridiculous at this point. On the front page of MacRumors right now 3 of the top 5 threads listed are all the same thing, and if you go into the iPad forum listing, it's even more - all saying the same thing.
Not even sure if there's anything to respond to in that post, so I'm not going to bother. You clearly missed the point of sourcing your goal and instead reverted to some irrelevant sales numbers, denied the fact that the point of arguing about the masses not noticing was, again, irrelevant, and sourced a Review that didn't do the indepth testing that other reviews have done to exclusively test the range of the gamut itself.
Color me shocked that that's what you end up rebutting with. Glad you acknowledge why your posts have been nothing short of idiotic. Just stop.
Color me shocked that that's what you end up rebutting with. Glad you acknowledge why your posts have been nothing short of idiotic. Just stop.
Sure, I'll stop. NOT
Here's another review giving a 10/10 score to the rMini screen.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/ipad-mini-2-retina_Tablet_review
I guess as long as they don't subscribe to this screen "issue" they must not be credible. Heh. How dare they ignore Gamut-gate?!!!
Sure, I'll stop. NOT
Here's another review giving a 10/10 score to the rMini screen.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/ipad-mini-2-retina_Tablet_review
I guess as long as they don't subscribe to this screen "issue" they must not be credible. Heh. How dare they ignore Gamut-gate?!!!
You keep sourcing reviews that haven't done the experimental testing of the actual gamut that are giving the display a top notch review. No one cares. That's not what is being argued. Do you see why you're just wasting time?
Find me a source that has done that in-depth testing that says the gamut is identical to that of the Air's. I'll be waiting.
The Mini has a narrower gamut, we know that. The reason why this is ridiculous is that apple never said the mini has the same gamut as the Air. Gamut gate on the mini exists in the same way that retina gate exists in the iPad 2.
How exactly did you think the Mini was $100 less expensive with almost the same exact specs as the Air?
How exactly did you think the Mini was $100 less expensive with almost the same exact specs as the Air?
Find me a source that has done that in-depth testing that says the gamut is identical to that of the Air's. I'll be waiting.
Why would I do that? Where have I said the Gamuts are the same?
Why would I do that? Where have I said the Gamuts are the same?
Then what's the point of posting irrelevant reviews boasting the Mini's screen quality when, quite evidently, the screen falls quite short in every regard for a lot of people who do extensive photo editing where small details like that are extremely important?
Save yourself from doing the full circle explanation again. I can't stress enough that no one cares that your mini is absolutely "omg can't contain myself" perfect. I've read far too many of your posts that needlessly shame others for thinking they're being too OCD about this. It's a legitimate problem. Get off your high horse. Can't tell you how thrilled I am that the Mini meets your expectations. To others, it falls shorts of their standards - so why you keep arguing against that literally blows my ****ing mind.
If you need to see small details, don't buy the small display on the cheaper iPad. If you were shopping for an external display for color correction, would you buy the cheaper small one, or the more expensive larger one with better colors? Or would you buy the one you know is not as good and complain about it?
If you need to do video editing on the go, would you buy the 11" Air and complain that its screen is not as good and its not as fast as the 15" MBP just because you want a smaller laptop?