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Today's Announcements: The Untold Story

I guess we all can understand why this is strange.

When I bought my iPod Nano (1st Gen) if I had to pay 20$ to upgrade the software I would go crazy at Apple, I personally think they should have given the new update away to the iPod Touch users, not because they have the obligation to, but to try and make their (so needed) loyal fan base happy and feeling that they are sharing the companie's recent BOOM.

BTW, just an example: Sony doesn't charge for PSP Firmware Updates, which also adds new features to the device (Skype, Web Browser, RSS, etc...) and Sony is like..., greedy! Same thing for a lot of other tech products that I'm not going to list because you know them already.

This and the pricing that Apple has decided basically for all the products announced yesterday.. I think they are going in the opposite way now. They are proving nay-sayers that Apple's products really are overpriced (MacBook Air) and stickin it to our faces :)

I don't know but.. as Apple keeps growing and growing... I feel like the old Apple mindset is dying.. even the Apple TV Update I was like "Jesus!" :eek:

I'm just being real. If it was something related to Microsoft asking for a 20$ software update I would be saying the exact same thing.

My personal view is that, companies may be there to make profit but.. they can at least TRY and fool me to think that they actually care, and that... makes me love or hate a brand, nothing more, nothing less.
 
espoir said:
Don't forget about Apple TV
And in iPod Touch - there was nothing developped - all thoses fitures have been thrown away and now Apple is just putting them back!
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there was nothing developed?

did these applications spring fully formed from nothing?

they were developed for the iPhone and ported to the iPod Touch, but Apple paid out to develop them in the first place so are entitled to try and make money from them.

iWork '08 and final cut existed before the MacBookAir. by your logic it cost nothing to develop. should they give them away with the MacBookAir?

i got iLife '07 with my mac 8 months ago. should i automatically be entitled to iLife '08 just because they've upgraded it?

do you also get annoyed when game console manufacturers release new games for consoles and then have the bloody nerve to charge for them?

you bought something. if it doesn't do what was claimed when you bought it (hello Airport Extreme) then you have a valid argument, but you don't have an automatic right to anything new that is produced for that platform.

you have the right to be annoyed and disappointed with apple but not much beyond that.

don't get me wrong, i think apple should give it away to engender loyalty and encourage early adoption, or if there is some legal reason then at least make it very cheap (c. $5), but i don't think they're immoral or evil for not doing so.
 
so angry that I register....

to ALL that ones that say they are HAPPY to pay 20 bucks.... eih dudes!!! I can apy for new iLife, or new OS... but that iTouch aps are "cutted and paste" from iPhone... Apple doesn't spent a cent for it... so why ask this dirty mony???
I'm totally disappointed! Anyway... my unlocked iPod Touch just have everything :D
 
Tyrannosaurs said:
there was nothing developed?

did these applications spring fully formed from nothing?

they were developed for the iPhone and ported to the iPod Touch, but Apple paid out to develop them in the first place so are entitled to try and make money from them.

iWork '08 and final cut existed before the MacBookAir. by your logic it cost nothing to develop. should they give them away with the MacBookAir?

i got iLife '07 with my mac 8 months ago. should i automatically be entitled to iLife '08 just because they've upgraded it?

do you also get annoyed when game console manufacturers release new games for consoles and then have the bloody nerve to charge for them?

you bought something. if it doesn't do what was claimed when you bought it (hello Airport Extreme) then you have a valid argument, but you don't have an automatic right to anything new that is produced for that platform.

you have the right to be annoyed and disappointed with apple but not much beyond that.

don't get me wrong, i think apple should give it away to engender loyalty and encourage early adoption, or if there is some legal reason then at least make it very cheap (c. $5), but i don't think they're immoral or evil for not doing so.
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iLife 08 is a new DELOPMENT from iLife 07, notes.app for iPhone is cutted and pasted on iPod Touch... so YEAH! they have to give to you FOR FREE!
 
massib80 said:
iLife 08 is a new DELOPMENT from iLife 07, notes.app for iPhone is cutted and pasted on iPod Touch... so YEAH! they have to give to you FOR FREE!
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so MacBookAir users should be entitled to iWork and Final Cut for free?

after all by your logic (and i use the word losely), they existed for all the other macs, it's really just being cut and pasted on to the MacBookAir.
 
Could have been worse guys, they could've refused the update altogether and said you must buy an iPod Touch 2.0 (maybe with some excuse like 24-32MB models and a tweak to the styling)

The ATV is different. It makes them a lot of money, and customers who buy those are favourable customers... whilst those of us who buy the Touch wanted a cheap iPhone without the phone, much to Apple's disgust :p
 
European media invite - why?

I just wonder ... why did Apple invite European media to watch the keynote live in London? I thought this was because there would be some Europe-specific announcement, like EU-wide iTunes (or even Apple) Store, but there was nothing (I don't believe "In defense of my country" song was the reason :). Was it just "the more watch it, the better for Apple"?

Anyone any ideas, or new information?
 
smurfjammer said:
Yes and got what was advertised at the time, there was no stocks, maps, mail etc. included and now they have updated the core OS to contain the new applications or the option to buy them.
If you bought an iMac with OS 10.4 months before OS 10.5 came out, you don't expect get OS 10.5 for free - you have to pay for it.
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if you take the iPhone apps the dot APP files and you PASTE IT in the Applications folder of the iPod Touch... they're working so... why I need to pay 20$? to don't install an SSH client on my computer and to Apple-C Apple-V ?
We are not speacking about new OS, new iLife... but about CUT AND PASTE!!!! DAMN!

Tyrannosaurs said:
so MacBookAir users should be entitled to iWork and Final Cut for free?

after all by your logic (and i use the word losely), they existed for all the other macs, it's really just being cut and pasted on to the MacBookAir.
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No iWork and FinalCut are optional software! But... they are getting Leopard for free and iLife 08 for free...
 
massib80 said:
if you take the iPhone apps the dot APP files and you PASTE IT in the Applications folder of the iPod Touch... they're working so... why I need to pay 20$? to don't install an SSH client on my computer and to Apple-C Apple-V ?
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how about because you have no license for those applications?

i could cut and paste iWork on to my Mac but that doesn't mean i have the right to do so.

massib80 said:
No iWork and FinalCut are optional software! But... they are getting Leopard for free and iLife 08 for free...
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and if you own an ipod touch notes, mail, maps etc. are optional software.

you didn't buy them so why do you have the right to them?
 
good point

bobrik said:
I just wonder ... why did Apple invite European media to watch the keynote live in London? I thought this was because there would be some Europe-specific announcement, like EU-wide iTunes (or even Apple) Store, but there was nothing (I don't believe "In defense of my country" song was the reason :). Was it just "the more watch it, the better for Apple"?

Anyone any ideas, or new information?
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I was curious about that one myself. I was thinking there would be either a Europe specific announcement, or a release of something huge. For all its funkiness, I wouldn't class the Air as something major. Just a nice skinny laptop. I was sorely disappointed. the only mention we got was international itunes movie rentals will not be available yet........
 
myeggsareboiled said:
the only mention we got was international itunes movie rentals will not be available yet........
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maybe they're close with the international itunes rentals and thought they'd be ready to annouce it, only to have it fall through at the last minute?

or possibly it's just a less US centric approach. here in the UK apple are gaining momentum off the back of the iPod (as they are everywhere) and perhaps they just want to acknowledge that Europe is an important market?
 
So, if the iPod touch today ships with the new firmware and applications, the retail price should be increased 20$ for new buyers, right? Or why should we who own it already pay for the extra apps if the new buyers get it for free? Or did I missunderstand something...
 
I don't have an iPod touch, so this doesn't really affect me. But:

If I did have one, I would have issues paying money for an update for previously existing iPhone apps such as Mail, Stocks, and Weather that Apple already had working on the iPhone and omitted for their own reasons. It is not the consumer's fault that these were not on the stock touch, and the consumer should not be made to pay for it.

I'd have no issue paying for brand new features, however, such as the self-location on Maps.
 
So what?

iPhone/iPod Touch Location Technology doesn't work in our little town, when the iPhone tries to determine my location it draws a huge circle that includes our little Colorado ski town, as well as, a neighboring town.

Still cannot edit/copy/paste, still cannot sync multiple calendars with leopard's iCal.app, no video capture, no flash support, no true gps = no good and I also need a battery replacement of which apple told me they will do it for free but I have to stay without my phone for about a week or so!!!!!

The iPhone is becoming, at least to me, more of a shinny gadget than a practical smart phone. I cannot even access our company's website with the iphone since the idiot who designed the menu and login interfaces used flash.
 
ogo said:
Apple is again getting too greedy. :mad:
Software updates should be free for at least of a period of one year after purchase. And software updates for fixing major product defficiencies should be free for whole product support lifecycle.
Apple's overgreediness will in long term again cost them big bucks. Apple seems to be good at repeating this in regular cycles of getting market share, then getting overgreedy, then loosing over competition, then getting smart again after being hit on the head, and so on ...

Ogo
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I cannot believe this, this isn't an upgrade, it is applications you can add to the touch. Do you think for a second that the apps published with the SDK will be free? The iPod Touch is just an mp3 player just like the Nano or the Classic. You should feel fortunate that it is expandable and that there are developers working on new applications for the device.

Google wrote the application, why shouldn't they be compensated for their time and development the same as any other software developer.

Just be glad you do have a iTouch that is expandable. Apple could have launched the iTouch II and included these features in that and left existing users in the dust....

IMHO, these applications are being developed now for the iTouch because of the iPhone's existence. if it weren't for the iPhone, there would be no iTouch to begin with.
 
Cloudane said:
The ATV is different. It makes them a lot of money, and customers who buy those are favourable customers... whilst those of us who buy the Touch wanted a cheap iPhone without the phone, much to Apple's disgust :p
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The ATV is not different. And it doesn't make them a lot of money. It's loser device that will discontinued by next year. Take 3!
 
thequicksilver said:
If I did have one, I would have issues paying money for an update for previously existing iPhone apps such as Mail, Stocks, and Weather that Apple already had working on the iPhone and omitted for their own reasons. It is not the consumer's fault that these were not on the stock touch, and the consumer should not be made to pay for it.
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Fair enough but the way I see it is that the Touch was never advertised with these functions and nobody ever said it would have them.
 
Wow...As if paying an arm and a leg and being locked into the AT&T network wasn't enough, you have to pay for software upgrades too...
 
GSMiller said:
Wow...As if paying an arm and a leg and being locked into the AT&T network wasn't enough, you have to pay for software upgrades too...
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no, this relates to the iPod Touch. if you signed a contract with AT&T for your iPod touch then being taken for $20 for a software upgrade is the least of your worries.
 
I bought my Ipod Touch yesterday afternoon and I still had to pay for the $20- software upgrade. I was surprised by this. I called the Apple Store and they said had I purchased it there they would have reduced the price of the Ipod by $20- to compensate for the upgrade.

I think ITunes should have recognized that I was registering a new device and it should not have charged me. I won't complain too much as it was just $20-, but I wasn't happy about it.
 
NC MacGuy said:
Probably not:
We have heard that all current iPod touch models already in the distribution channel without the new software have been immediately discounted by $20 to accommodate for the upgrade fee.
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They are only discounted if you buy them from the Apple Store. I bought mine at Costco yesterday and had to pay the $20-. It wasn't a lot of money, but I wasn't pleased by this.
 
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