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Top five percent of AT&T smartphone usage and Bandwidth throttling

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TSX said:
They might not get the throttling removed, but I pay for 3G and I'm not reviving 3G speeds. I'm getting edge speeds so I'm going to need them to refund me some money or something. I pay for a service that I'm currently not receiving, if it was a low 3G speed that would be fine but it's not it's edge speed or maybe even slower.
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There are people that live in edge only areas and still pay for 3G. It was never an option to own a 3G smartphone and NOT pay the 3G fee. Make the call, and let us know how it goes. You may get lucky. Either way, I feel you will have to make the call each and every month you get throttled at the very least. It is a good way to get out of contract for free though (complain a bunch until they essentially decide spending all the phone hours with you isn't worth keeping you as a customer), if you are not worried about being blacklisted from the company in the future. (I realize this post can be interpretted in many ways. Don't read into to, just take everything literally. Not saying you aren;t worth keeping, just saying it's a way out for those that want it)
 
lordofthereef said:
There are people that live in edge only areas and still pay for 3G. It was never an option to own a 3G smartphone and NOT pay the 3G fee. Make the call, and let us know how it goes. You may get lucky. Either way, I feel you will have to make the call each and every month you get throttled at the very least. It is a good way to get out of contract for free though (complain a bunch until they essentially decide spending all the phone hours with you isn't worth keeping you as a customer), if you are not worried about being blacklisted from the company in the future. (I realize this post can be interpretted in many ways. Don't read into to, just take everything literally. Not saying you aren;t worth keeping, just saying it's a way out for those that want it)
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I understand what you are saying about paying for 3G if your area only has edge, but I have 3G in my area and pay for 3G like I said before if it was a
Low 3G speed like 1mpb that's fine but it's not it's edge speeds.
 
Fact of this BS matter (IMO) is that AT&T should at a minimum be forced to change the term they use which is everyone's sticking point "unlimited".

It's not, and it can change till were all dead and gone- but it's what is on my bill, unlimited for iPhone 4S.

Not unlimited * or (see below what we really mean by this word).

Either way, the way this term is thrown around by most of the industry is nothing but a ploy.


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Here's one right from this site as I type.
AT&T loves that word....

Restrictions apply, AKA not everything is a we sell it to you.
 
aristobrat said:
FWIW, he didn't edit "his post". He edited multiple of his old posts, with dates going back to January 21st.

I asked him what I thought was a legitimate question about his statements regarding "cancelation clauses" (that he posted last night) and "contract law" (that he posted on the 28th). His reply was that he was exercising his first amendment right to post his opinions. Fine.

But then he goes and edits several of his older posts, completely removing the parts that I had questions about, without saying anything. And I'm despicable for asking about that? :confused:
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No you miss understand. I said he was dispicable for editing his posts. then I used the sarcasm emoticon. :rolleyes:
 
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The theme of this thread deals with the FCC and possible policy violations on the part of AT&T. Let's keep to the subject matter. If you wish to start another thread regarding contract law, then who is stopping you?
 
lordofthereef said:
There are people that live in edge only areas and still pay for 3G. It was never an option to own a 3G smartphone and NOT pay the 3G fee. Make the call, and let us know how it goes. You may get lucky. Either way, I feel you will have to make the call each and every month you get throttled at the very least. It is a good way to get out of contract for free though (complain a bunch until they essentially decide spending all the phone hours with you isn't worth keeping you as a customer), if you are not worried about being blacklisted from the company in the future. (I realize this post can be interpretted in many ways. Don't read into to, just take everything literally. Not saying you aren;t worth keeping, just saying it's a way out for those that want it)
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ARGH, they will black list you matey, then you will have the black spot on your hand, or as they call it, "the mark of eight" Finally ATT will release the CRAKEN on you!
 
Vaughn Logan said:
The theme of this thread deals with the FCC and possible policy violations on the part of AT&T. Let's keep to the subject matter. If you wish to start another thread regarding contract law, then who is stopping you?
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YOU were the one that first posted about "contract law" and "cancelation clauses" in this thread. Was there someone stopping you from starting a new thread at those times?

You're a real class act to go back, edit your posts (removing those terms), and then tell me nobody's stopping me from starting a thread about them. I was merely replying to your (unedited) posts.
 
aristobrat said:
YOU were the one that first posted about "contract law" and "cancelation clauses" in this thread. Was there someone stopping you from starting a new thread at those times?

You're a real class act to go back, edit your posts (removing those terms), and then tell me nobody's stopping me from starting a thread about them. I was merely replying to your (unedited) posts.
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I hate when people do this, its a slimy move to go back and edit your posts, then start making an argument like you never said the stuff to begin with. Great job catching him on this aristobrat :D
 
aristobrat said:
YOU were the one that first posted about "contract law" and "cancelation clauses" in this thread. Was there someone stopping you from starting a new thread at those times?

You're a real class act to go back, edit your posts (removing those terms), and then tell me nobody's stopping me from starting a thread about them. I was merely replying to your (unedited) posts.
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Since the subject-matter of contract law is so near and dear to your heart, I suggest you exercise your freedom-of-speech and start a thread on it. The subject of this thread is stated in the first post. I wish to stay on that subject.
 
Vaughn Logan said:
Since the subject-matter of contract law is so near and dear to your heart, I suggest you exercise your freedom-of-speech and start a thread on it. The subject of this thread is stated in the first post. I wish to stay on that subject.
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Again, you can't be the one introducing topics like contract law, cancelation clauses, and bait & switch to this thread, and then when someone questions about your views about the topics, just go back and edit those topics out of your old posts. That's now how conversations on MacRumors work.

I guess I should feel good that you're telling me to discuss your topics in another thread, instead of giving me a word problem to solve, or repeatedly asking me how the milk and cookies are.
 
aristobrat said:
Again, you can't be the one introducing topics like contract law, cancelation clauses, and bait & switch to this thread, and then when someone questions about your views about the topics, just go back and edit those topics out of your old posts. That's now how conversations on MacRumors work.

I guess I should feel good that you're telling me to discuss your topics in another thread, instead of giving me a word problem to solve, or repeatedly asking me how the milk and cookies are.
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Am I sensing a bit of a hostile attitude here? May I suggest seeking professional help for that? I believe that there are resources online that may offer you some insight to your personal issues.
 
What you're sensing is a combination of frustration that you actually would (and amazement that you actually did) edit posts to rewrite your participation in this thread and then try to dismiss direct replies to statements from your now-edited posts as suddenly being "off-topic".
 
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YOUR frustration is YOUR problem. Not mine or anyone else's here. I've stated the topic of this thread many times. We all have a lot of freedoms. Perhaps you should exercise your freedom to leave if you don't like it.
 
Vaughn Logan said:
YOUR frustration is YOUR problem. Not mine or anyone else's here.
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Never implied that it was, but thanks for personifying it. :)

I've stated the topic of this thread many times.
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What you did was decide around 11:30 AM today that you'd go back to the beginning of the thread and delete where you brought those other topics into the thread, replacing them with some boilerplate message. And now you're trying to act like this thread has only ever been about your 11:30 AM boilerplate message, which it most certainly hasn't only been about. That's not how conversations on MacRumors work.
 
NM, thanks mods :)

Now, getting back OT. Any more news on AT&T's throttling? I still cannot believe the rep on the phone slipped and stated that this is a "program" being implemented and will continue to be until otherwise stated.
 
When ATT started offerring the unlimited plan it clearly was not causing problems for their network. They continued to offer it for years....and no problem was voiced.

So, how is it that now it is a problem and they need to throttle?

Did they over sell subscriptions?
Did they plan bandwidth poorly?
Did they build out the network too slowly?
Did they mispend on failed ideas (t-mobile)?

There have been many iterations of the iphone and each is more efficient at pushing data. Why dont they stop offering new phones? Keep everyone on slower phones? Did they not make money on those phone sales?

Or, hey they could stop initiating new customers until the build out more capability.

It seems like all of a sudden they are having issues but there doesn't really seem to be a clear root cause. So they blame their customers. They throttle some plans at the exact same time they push out new plans.

I mean, its not an issue to use 3GB for $30 but it is to use 2GB for $30 just because one plan is called tiered and one is called "Unlimited"?

To me, this is the point to be made to the FCC and not one of legalities or moralities or any other "lities".

We all understand what's in the contract but what I dont see is:

Any evidence that usage is impacting their network to the point that throttling is necessary

Any evidence that 2GB is in the top 5% or usage (just have to take their word for it)

Any evidence that they have not oversold their network (which we all know they have)
 
iphone1105 said:
Well you're probably not helping anyone, and it seems like a waste of time IMO. But good luck with that, wish I could devote myself to a cause so worthless as phone data.:)

Good luck with that though, let us know how it turns out!
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It's almost as worthless as COMMENTING on phone data.
 
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