Yeah, that is how it feels to me when I try one. Obviously some people have rigid ones per their words.
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All I can say is that looking at something in the store and owning it are two different things and I doubt what you "tested" in the store was flexing or flimsy.
I guess your colleague had an unusual experience, maybe he tried to flex it with a vice?
I don't know how anyone can say it isn't solid but my experience with owning both a M1 MBP 14/16" and M2 MBA tells me they are all solid well made laptops.
Doesn't really matter what other people say about the M2 MBA specially those that don't actually own one. But everyone has a right to their opinion even if it isn't based on facts or ownership.
If it was really an issue all the YouTube videos would have been about "Flexgate" instead of thermal throttling and we all know that isn't even an issue unless you push the air way past its intended use case.
I guess your colleague had an unusual experience, maybe he tried to flex it with a vice?
I don't know how anyone can say it isn't solid but my experience with owning both a M1 MBP 14/16" and M2 MBA tells me they are all solid well made laptops.
Doesn't really matter what other people say about the M2 MBA specially those that don't actually own one. But everyone has a right to their opinion even if it isn't based on facts or ownership.
If it was really an issue all the YouTube videos would have been about "Flexgate" instead of thermal throttling and we all know that isn't even an issue unless you push the air way past its intended use case.
Agreed, I have both the M2 MBA and 14 MBP on my desk and they are both as solid and as sturdy as each other. There's no flex, bends or creeks with the M2 Air.
So I'm lying or what is that you are trying to say exactly? And what is the difference between own and demo unit in terms of chassis rigidity?
You mean in videos like this one?
That’s just anecdotal. They are the same materials and thickness.
Just the imagination. They are the same aluminum, same thickness.
Because the Air has a thinner chassis, it should be the sturdier one theoretically.
Keep in mind that the Air is usually more handled portably than the MBP so thinking it is less rigid is likely the result of greater handling.
In my personal experience it is one thing to touch a device for a short period of time in an environment where you can't really use it like you would at home or in the office. The only way to know for sure is to take it with you and use it for at least a week.
You may have initial impressions that turn out to be untrue after using the device in multiple environments and uses.
I don't doubt that you had an experience which gave you a particular impression it is just my experience after actually using the device for a while that you might be incorrectly judging something based on limited information.
You can get a better idea of something by looking at it in a store but it isn't until you use it for a while that you actually know and that is why most retailers give people 2 weeks to a month to decide after taking it home and using it whether it is right for them.
That is why I always recommend people look in the store and buy a device and try it out to actually know if it right for them.
I beg to differ. You see obviously why that claim is wrong when you look at the both machines from the side.
Meaning, if we _pretend_ that aluminium sheets on the bottom and keyboard deck were equal in thickness, there is still huge difference on the sides that make machine rigid against torsion. Sides are very thick as you can see how deep the ports are but in MBP due to ”fatter” chassis that part has way much more aluminum making it much more rigid.
So what everyone can see from that video is just imagination? Are you for real?
We are gonna need you to elaborate how that in your logic would make MBA sturdier, considering what I said above about the sides?
Offtopic, Joan please giggle. I love to hear her giggling. ;D
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"We are gonna need you to elaborate how that in your logic would make MBA sturdier, considering what I said above about the sides?"
Do you know the tensile strength of aluminum? The sides of the aluminum are thick relatively to the thickness and size of the MBA. Just because something is thicker on a larger and thicker in terms of space device doesn't mean that a smaller device with a relative reduction in thickness to the aluminum frame is weaker.
These are unibody frames and there is an exponential amount of resistance and pressure relative to size. So to make a larger and bigger device more rigid it takes a lot more material than a smaller device.
Do you know the tensile strength of aluminum? The sides of the aluminum are thick relatively to the thickness and size of the MBA. Just because something is thicker on a larger and thicker in terms of space device doesn't mean that a smaller device with a relative reduction in thickness to the aluminum frame is weaker.
These are unibody frames and there is an exponential amount of resistance and pressure relative to size. So to make a larger and bigger device more rigid it takes a lot more material than a smaller device.
I don’t see point for wasting time on such as my method for testing machine rigidity tells me in few seconds the difference between machines side by side. My testing method does not include ”vice” or similar to cause permanent damage to the machine.
Again, I see no point for wasting time on such and trying to unsee some obvious things about machine I could see in few seconds test already.
So something that feels flimsy and flexible for me would magically in couple weeks use suddenly became rigid?
Not sure I follow your logic but I know that thing that initially bug me, only bug me even more after a short while.
Offtopic, Joan please giggle. I love to hear her giggling. ;D
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I don’t see point for wasting time on such as my method for testing machine ridigity tells me in few seconds the difference between machines side by side. My testing method does not include ”vice” or similar to cause permanent damage to the machine.
Again, I see no point for wasting time on such and trying to unsee some obvious things about machine I could see in few seconds test already.
So something that feels flimsy and flexible for me would magically in couple weeks use suddenly became rigid?
Not sure I follow your logic but I know that thing that initially bug me, only bug me even more after a short while.
Well that is your personal impression on a product you never owned so I would take whatever you say with a grain of salt.
Personal real world experience over a set period of time is the only thing that would make your estimations more valid.
Of course those are your opinions so I can't argue the way you perceive things. I just have more first hand experience with the M1 MBP 14/16" and M2 MBA than you do so, I disagree.
Sides are not that thick in MBA. Just go to your nearest hardware store that sells aluminium in different thickness and feel them yourself.
But we are talking about practically the same sized machines, except MBP 14” is thicker.
Your logic would apply maybe MBA M2 vs MBP 16” but I haven’t tested 16” that much.
Offtopic, Joan please giggle. I love to hear her giggling. ;D
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If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it is a duck, nothing can change that fact for me.
I answered to that already more than once.
Sides are not that thick in MBA. Just go to your nearest hardware store that sells aluminium in different thickness and feel them yourself.
But we are talking about practically the same sized machines, except MBP 14” is thicker.
Your logic would apply maybe MBA M2 vs MBP 16” but I haven’t tested 16” that much.
But thickness is a big problem when something is hollow over a distance. In order for it to be rigid on a frame that is thicker the sidewalls have to be thicker vs a thinner and smaller area.
It is an exponential scale so just looking at the thickness of the sidewall is very misleading and it also depends a lot on the material. Titanium could be even thinner and still be more rigid than the aluminum used in these devices.
Just because you repeat something doesn't turn an opinion into fact?
The first part doesn't make sense to me but my impression is if you guesstimate something by a quick impression that impression holds true even if information you experience or learn later on changes the equation?
We are talking practically the same sized machines in footprint.
Not sure what is point for that speculation as both machines are aluminium.
On an exponential scale small differences in size and weight make a big difference in frame rigidity.We are talking practically the same sized machines in footprint.
Not sure what is point for that speculation as both machines are aluminium.
Also a 30% weight increase is not small.
Ditto.
I am responding with a different response and trying to elaborate on my answer and not just repeating the same exact thing over.
It is not the impression, but something obvious difference.
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Your idea of obvious is an opinion and not objective fact?
Anyway I respect your opinion but I just don't agree with it.
I am responding with a different response and trying to elaborate on my answer and not just repeating the same exact thing over.
It is not the impression, but something obvious difference.
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Your idea of obvious is an opinion and not objective fact?
Anyway I respect your opinion but I just don't agree with it.
Sounds like you desperately try to convince something that obviously is not the case here in question.
Offtopic, Joan please giggle. I love to hear her giggling. ;D
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No desperation. You have responded as much as I have?
I was just hoping that if I provided enough information that an opinion might change but it is not a problem either way.
Again that is an opinion. I respectfully disagree.
Again, the way I test these is not an opinion but something obvious difference I can see. Nothing that time could heal.
Unless you are doing a test in a lab with industry recognized parameters and under observation and your test was repeatable by other scientists or professionals it really is just an opinion.
But that is fine. We are obviously not going to resolve our differences of opinion in this discussion. It is great we ended up with what we have that fits our needs. It would be terrible if things were the other way around.
Ultimately I am the one that has to live with my MBA and you with your MBP. They are both great machines.
Have a great day!