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PeterDTown

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Fine by me, I don’t need Touchid when Faceid is so superior. Alongside “Unlock with Apple Watch” it’s even better.
Not true. FaceID is far worse than TouchID. FaceID is ok in limited use cases, but it’s always slower than Touch and there are many many situations when FaceID can’t/won’t work. I don’t mind if FaceID is available as a secondary biometric, but being the only one is massively annoying.

To agree with another poster above, no USB C and no Touch ID will 100% prevent me from upgrading my old phone. There is nothing compelling about the new models and my XS Max is still perfectly fine. I would consider upgrading if the 13 had these two features, and if they don’t show up on an iPhone before I do need to upgrade, I’ll probably go back to Android.
 

PeterDTown

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I’ll be honest I’m kind of glad about this. I have it on my android work phone and it’s hardly very efficient. You have to have your finger in a very precise position and it lingers a bit to unlock. Not a long time at all but those delays build up over the day. Face ID is basically instant.
Maybe you just had a terrible Android phone. In my experience FaceID is the one that is slow, whereas Touch ID is basically instant. Especially convenient were the Android phones that had the Touch sensor on the back. I’d pick up my phone and my finger would naturally fall on the sensor. By the time I had the phone up, it was already unlocked. Not to mention that pulling down on the Touch sensor would pull down my notifications.

Gosh, I think I really miss Android.
 

doolar

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Not true. FaceID is far worse than TouchID. FaceID is ok in limited use cases, but it’s always slower than Touch and there are many many situations when FaceID can’t/won’t work. I don’t mind if FaceID is available as a secondary biometric, but being the only one is massively annoying.

To agree with another poster above, no USB C and no Touch ID will 100% prevent me from upgrading my old phone. There is nothing compelling about the new models and my XS Max is still perfectly fine. I would consider upgrading if the 13 had these two features, and if they don’t show up on an iPhone before I do need to upgrade, I’ll probably go back to Android.
I forgot to state that my post reflected my views and needs, not yours. What's true for me doesn't have to be true for you.
 
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Faj

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Why does everyone care so much about Touch ID the pandemic is over soon in the U.K. you don’t need to wear masks anymore
because its like magic, much more comfortable while on sofa or the mobile on the table - activating it with one finger.
I am sure Steve Jobs would fire those idiots at Apple who give out pro products with hampered workflow.

I am so mad at Apple waiting all year for a 120 HZ DISPLAY and fingerprint.

I hate Apple, I really do.

I sold the 12 and am hanging with my iPhone 7 and they just don't let me upgrade to the workflow I need.
 

aperantos

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Why does everyone care so much about Touch ID the pandemic is over soon in the U.K. you don’t need to wear masks anymore

How is that working for us? The U.K. is less than 1% of the world's population but has 8% of all current Covid cases, over 100 people are still dying every day, and that number is getting closer to 200 per day.

But being able to use Face ID is more important to some people than saving lives, eh? "Oh, my phone does not like it when I wear a mask, so I just have to be a carrier for a virus. But do not worry because I am healthy, so I will be fine even if other people end up dying because using my fingers to unlock a phone is too much effort for me."

Sorry, but having been in isolation for almost all of the past 20 months, because of my health issues and other people's selfishness. I have little tolerance for my life and that of others being trivialized in favour of preferences for and against a piece of technology.

And repeating points that were made earlier, in some cultures people will always wear masks, in some they might adopt it, and it was always obvious that Covid was not overk, and many other countries were not so stupid as to get rid of mask mandates, no matter what the British government said.
 
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Faj

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I don’t understand why it’s not obvious that additional fingerprint is the perfect workflow in all situations.

I hate moving the mobile so the Face ID gets me.

I have nothing against Face ID - but I am outraged because of the missing fingerprint.

But you know what …
In the cummin years ?
Touch ID will make a comeback and then Apple celebrates it as a top move in innovation- and all will cheer them - ? including me, grateful for the pain relieve.

Meanwhile Apple warns against the security issue typing the ****ing Pin in the mobile while getting monitored in every supermarket ???
They even mocking me.

Monopoles are disgusting
 
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aperantos

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https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/29/apple-face-id-touchscreens-macs/ said:
Addressing why the Mac lacks Face ID, Tom Boger, Apple's vice president of iPad and Mac product marketing, told Stern that Touch ID is more convenient on the Mac since users' hands are already on the keyboard.

So I guess that explains the lack of Touch ID on iPhones. They magically levitate in front of you.
 

I7guy

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How is that working for us? The U.K. is less than 1% of the world's population but has 8% of all current Covid cases, over 100 people are still dying every day, and that number is getting closer to 200 per day.

But being able to use Face ID is more important to some people than saving lives, eh? "Oh, my phone does not like it when I wear a mask, so I just have to be a carrier for a virus. But do not worry because I am healthy, so I will be fine even if other people end up dying because using my fingers to unlock a phone is too much effort for me."

Sorry, but having been in isolation for almost all of the past 20 months, because of my health issues and other people's selfishness. I have little tolerance for my life and that of others being trivialized in favour of preferences for and against a piece of technology.

And repeating points that were made earlier, in some cultures people will always wear masks, in some they might adopt it, and it was always obvious that Covid was not overk, and many other countries were not so stupid as to get rid of mask mandates, no matter what the British government said.
Just got my booster and I conduct my business, for now, as if I weren’t vaccinated. Don’t see the issue in entering my 10 long passcode when I’m wearing a mask. But I guess ymmv.

Apple will again feature Touch ID when it’s ready and those who really want touch is, there are alternatives.
 
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MacCheetah3

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Just got my booster and I conduct my business, for now, as if I weren’t vaccinated. Don’t see the issue in entering my 10 long passcode when I’m wearing a mask. But I guess ymmv.

Apple will again feature Touch ID when it’s ready and those who really want touch is, there are alternatives.
Any inconvenience nowadays and most people lose all of their marbles. You’d think entering a passcode/password is equivalent to getting diagnosed with cancer. Sheesh!
 

MacCheetah3

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So you think Apple should just scrap Face ID?
No, nor am I opposed to something such as Touch ID being integrated into the iPhone’s side button. However, if Apple did drop both, I wouldn’t go into a tantrum. I need to enter my passcode for my mobile devices several times throughout the day for various reasons. I still enter my passwords manually on my computers. And, I could use my Apple Watch to auto-login on my Mac when I get nearby — I forgot about that option after upgrading from a 2012 to a 2020 Mac mini. My point is Touch ID, Face ID, etc improve convenience, though are far from essential — so, just appreciate them when you have them.
 

chinesedr

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No, nor am I opposed to something such as Touch ID being integrated into the iPhone’s side button. However, if Apple did drop both, I wouldn’t go into a tantrum. I need to enter my passcode for my mobile devices several times throughout the day for various reasons. I still enter my passwords manually on my computers. And, I could use my Apple Watch to auto-login on my Mac when I get nearby — I forgot about that option after upgrading from a 2012 to a 2020 Mac mini. My point is Touch ID, Face ID, etc improve convenience, though are far from essential — so, just appreciate them when you have them.

Yea, mobile phones improve convenience, though are far from essential
I could fly a pigeon
 

aperantos

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Feb 18, 2008
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I need to enter my passcode for my mobile devices several times throughout the day for various reasons. I still enter my passwords manually on my computers. And, I could use my Apple Watch to auto-login on my Mac when I get nearby — I forgot about that option after upgrading from a 2012 to a 2020 Mac mini. My point is Touch ID, Face ID, etc improve convenience, though are far from essential — so, just appreciate them when you have them.

The whole reason we use smart phones rathers than carring around a separate dumb phone, iPod, instant camera, etc. is a convenience. The difference between being essential and convenient is an arbitrary line drawn based on our own biases. It is a completely vacuous argument for anything as ultimately nothing is essential.

But for those of us for whom Face ID does not work it is an active inconvenience.

And some of us do not want or need an Apple Watch.
 
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MacCheetah3

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The whole reason we use smart phones rathers than carring around a separate dumb phone, iPod, instant camera, etc. is a convenience. The difference between being essential and convenient is an arbitrary line drawn based on our own biases. It is a completely vacuous argument for anything as ultimately nothing is essential.

But for those of us for whom Face ID does not work it is an active inconvenience.

And some of us do not want or need an Apple Watch.
So, we can agree? For some people, not having Face ID function due to certain circumstances seems completely wrong. And for others, such as myself, it’s great when it works but have no notable gripes getting by when it doesn’t. In other words, we’re all allowed to tell our side.

:)
 

aperantos

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Feb 18, 2008
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So, we can agree? For some people, not having Face ID function due to certain circumstances seems completely wrong. And for others, such as myself, it’s great when it works but have no notable gripes getting by when it doesn’t. In other words, we’re all allowed to tell our side.

:)
Maybe? You equated the "inconvenience" of not having Touch ID to cancer, which is hardly conducive to friendly agreement.

Incidentally, for me the certain circumstances when Face ID does not function is all the time. I unfortunately now have to use an iPhone 11, so I have to disable Face ID as it keeps interfering when I do not want it, and not working when I do.

With Touch ID, Apple would show the keypad immediately but to instantly unlock anyway. But with Face ID it waits several seconds before showing the keypad. You literally have to stop and wait several seconds any time you want to use the phone.
 

MacCheetah3

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Maybe? You equated the "inconvenience" of not having Touch ID to cancer, which is hardly conducive to friendly agreement.

With Touch ID, Apple would show the keypad immediately but to instantly unlock anyway. But with Face ID it waits several seconds before showing the keypad. You literally have to stop and wait several seconds any time you want to use the phone.
Your final comment — by far not an uncommon attitude — is what pushes me to make such an extreme comparison. If needing to wait a few extra seconds (or even minutes in some contexts) is seemingly one of life’s huge burdens, things are evidently not actually bad. I realize that’s not absolute, but it does paint such a picture. In other words, some people are faced with early, agonizing death (e.g., cancer), basic mobility challenges (e.g., blind, paraplegic), simple communication difficulties (e.g., blind, deaf), etc.* So, whining about needing to wait a few extra seconds (or minutes in some contexts) appears petty.

With that said:


* I am part of that group and do apologize if it causes my responses to be a bit more harsh than they need to be.
 
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