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MEMO TO MR. REZNOR:

Music is not about an experience.

Music is about quality.

Experience is the back-end buzzword that companies use when they are trying to sell rip-offs.

There is almost no music of quality that has been produced in the last twenty years. Therefore, people are content to stream it for free rather than pay for it.

Writing good music is hard. It may be that good music has died a natural death, in which case, no amount of curation will save it. In the event that it hasn't died yet, we are in a moribund period, and are waiting for it to re-ignite.

There is almost a 100% chance that it won't in the current quality-hostile climate, however. Why? Because musicians aren't paid enough. Not nearly enough.

When musicians are paid Tim Cook's wage, and he is relegated to his rightful position as a drone administrator and paid accordingly, then, and only then, will music once again flourish.

the 'experience' they're talking about implies that music is good, therefore creating an experience around good music is essential to them as providers of a service.

the fact that you don't think any quality music has been put out in the last 20 years is like me saying 'there just aren't any hot women in NYC'

oh, how [painfully] subjective lol. if i were to make such a statement, i'd at least consider the notion that my actions in NYC, my neighborhood, and my personal tastes might have something to do with my feelings on the matter. not that there simply aren't any hot women anywhere in the city.

i find good music throughout every year of my life. and pop culture deliveries almost none of it. find better sources.
 
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Streaming is not a result of bad music, it is the result of technology evolving and industry not keeping up.
Also no good music in the past 20 years? That is a bit of a reach, lol.

what do you consider good music?

why even ask? obviously, stuff from the nineties and before. some people fill their head with music when they're young to the point that nothing 'different' or 'strange' to their ears registers as anything they'd consider worthwhile. nostalgia's a helluva drug
 
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I'm having a terrible experience with Beats 1. No matter what I try, it will not work over cellular. Everything else works fine.

There are two places in the settings that govern Music data over cellular...

1. In "Cellular", scroll down to "use cellular data for" and make sure Music is toggled on. If it is, turn it off and back on.

2. Then nback out to the top level of Settings and go down to "iTunes and App Store". Check that "Use Cellular Data" is on. If it is, turn it off and back on.

I briefly got stuck with no ability to do anything over cellular and found an article somewhere with the two items above. Just flipping the switiches off and then on again cleared everything up.
 
Trent, it appears the user experience you believe this app to have is directly proportional to the money Apple paid you to say it.

He's not the rent-a-quote type of guy. He's been heavily involved with this project before Apple came along and he's not been afraid to smack down Apple in the past, in particular over it's app approval process when NiN were doing their own music/social app. (https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...n-apples-app-store-rejection-policies.696075/)
 
I had this message until I signed up for the trial. So I guess that means even the radio isn't free?
Thanks however I had already signed up the day before. I also tried reboot, logging out of music etc with no luck. Today it is working now so makes no sense. Yesterday out of the whole standard list Beats1 and the children's station were the only ones that would load. I'll see how it goes :)
 
Sorry to confuse you so much fat girl. All of those concepts are pretty common in the realm of cognitive science, marketing and software development. Ignored.
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
 
The worst UI/UX design I've seen from Apple in a while.

My favorite UI flaw is the entire playlists system, it's beyond horrible. I know it's challenging because Apple is letting you mix your bought tracks with streaming tracks, but it's a complete failure.

Try making a playlist, then adding a streaming track to it. At first it doesn't seem to work, the playlist remains "empty" which seems to suggest that you can't add streaming tracks to a playlist, but if you dig into a setting and turn off "Music available offline" the track you just added reappears. This is very confusing and annoying to say the least.
 
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i don't understand all the complaining and whining. I really love the UI/UX of the new Music app. This is exactly what I wanted, and what I need :)

Maybe you mostly do what I mostly do - tap on My Music and start listening to some music.

Doesn't seem too painful to me either. :)
 
Reading Reznor's words, it seems like the Music team was way too focused on what the artists want, not what the consumers want.

Big mistake.

As a consumer, most of the time I just want to "put a record on" or "listen to the radio" while I do something else: Simple tasks that used to be accomplished easily.

Apple music, OTOH, seems to be obnoxiously "in my face", forcing me to "follow" artists and have a level of connection with them that I have neither the time nor desire for.

It's way too full of itself. Sorry Apple Music.
 
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MEMO TO MR. REZNOR:

Music is not about an experience.

Music is about quality.

Experience is the back-end buzzword that companies use when they are trying to sell rip-offs.

There is almost no music of quality that has been produced in the last twenty years. Therefore, people are content to stream it for free rather than pay for it.

Writing good music is hard. It may be that good music has died a natural death, in which case, no amount of curation will save it. In the event that it hasn't died yet, we are in a moribund period, and are waiting for it to re-ignite.

There is almost a 100% chance that it won't in the current quality-hostile climate, however. Why? Because musicians aren't paid enough. Not nearly enough.

When musicians are paid Tim Cook's wage, and he is relegated to his rightful position as a drone administrator and paid accordingly, then, and only then, will music once again flourish.
Yes! The bigger picture.

A tad extreme towards the end, but you still get my upvote. :)
 
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As a consumer, most of the time I just want to "put a record on" or "listen to the radio" while I do something else: Simple tasks that used to be accomplished easily.

Apple music, OTOH, seems to be obnoxiously "in my face", forcing me to "follow" artists and have a level of connection with them that I have neither the time nor desire for.

To listen to an album, click on My Music, tap on the album you want to listen to.

To listen to the radio, tap on Radio and Play Now.

What's difficult or complicated about that?
 
What's difficult or complicated about that?
Those aren't my concerns (although they're certainly not as simple and transparent as they once were).

My concern is all the stuff iTunes is doing in the background. Have you read the Apple music threads here? People's decade-old, hand-built libraries are being stomped on. Random tracks disappear. Other "alien" tracks appear out of nowhere. Album art is missing. DRM is creeping back in. It seems a right mess.

I, myself, wasted a couple of hours trying to sync my own modest, 7000+ track library with my iPhone 6 last night: Various problems. And then on the 'phone I notice it's populated my real name into some sort of "Account" form without asking me. Click on my name and it advises me that my name will be displayed with my comments and playlists. WTF does that mean? Is it sharing my information without my permission?

It's hard to understand precisely what it's doing - and it certainly doesn't explain it at all clearly - so it's hard to trust it now.
 
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Maybe I am just old fashioned but I prefer to have actual possession of the music files or discs. Why would I want to pay a fee over and over to listen to music? It seems absurd to me.
 
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Maybe I am just old fashioned but I prefer to have actual possession of the music files or discs. Why would I want to pay a fee over and over to listen to music? It seems absurd to me.
Well... I do have to thank Spotify for discovering some acts I would never hear about otherwise (much less buy a CD). For €4.99 a month I get to listen to as much ad-free music as I want. Sometimes I play albums I already own just because Spotify's interface has suddenly become much more handy than iTunes' (and also it's nice to think my favourite artist will earn another, er, eurocent thanks to that). Sometimes I play an album and discover I don't like it, and I don't have to worry whether the shop will take it back. I can share playlists I made with my friends, and that's something harder to do with physicals (yes, I remember mixtapes, but I can share a playlist with 400 people without buying enormous amount of CD-Rs).

The thing that I really mind about Apple Music is that I thought, wow, I'm going to have all of this in one app. No more switching between Spotify and iTunes, no more problems like "I'd really like to put this song on my playlist and listen to it during my commute, but I can only stream it and my data plan is 1 GB per month". I thought "I'm going to go to iTunes Store, and next to "buy" icon have a "download" icon as long as I pay for the service". I thought I am getting the best of both worlds. Unfortunately the way Apple Music is right now I am getting the worst of both worlds. Countless horror stories of people losing their playlists, having purchased files replaced with DRM ones, random artwork, disappearing albums... Maybe it's actually a good thing that Spotify and my iTunes library are separate. "The experience" made me appreciate what I had before more.

As for owning discs, I am currently fighting the problem of owning 1500 CDs and having no space for them (I just moved in with my boyfriend). The luxury of having an iTunes library + Spotify = access to pretty much any music I want to hear, any time, without going through what currently is 20 piles of CDs in the living room muttering "ugh, I wish I sorted them alphabetically..."
 
MEMO TO MR. REZNOR:

Music is not about an experience.

Music is about quality.

Experience is the back-end buzzword that companies use when they are trying to sell rip-offs.

There is almost no music of quality that has been produced in the last twenty years. Therefore, people are content to stream it for free rather than pay for it.

Writing good music is hard. It may be that good music has died a natural death, in which case, no amount of curation will save it. In the event that it hasn't died yet, we are in a moribund period, and are waiting for it to re-ignite.

There is almost a 100% chance that it won't in the current quality-hostile climate, however. Why? Because musicians aren't paid enough. Not nearly enough.

When musicians are paid Tim Cook's wage, and he is relegated to his rightful position as a drone administrator and paid accordingly, then, and only then, will music once again flourish.

Yeah well it's quite obvious that Reznor doesn't know much about music, you got that right. Guy is a retread clown. What has he ever done? Make some weirdo videos and maybe a couple songs that were popular for about a week? Great, Trent. That certainly qualifies him as knowing how us little folks are supposed to "enjoy our music".
 
Given Apple's desire to own this space, it seems rushed to market. Lacking the experience it's just a matter of time before Apple sorts through and fixes the current problems. Another year or so and they may be more competitive. As slow as they've been to respond to other issues, they will probably take a long time, yet once they get it working they'll do very well. The Apple name will insure its success.
 
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Rushed is the word.
True.

I still prefer Google Play Music for my primary streaming music source. The interface is excellent, offering fast logical navigation. The selection of music is outstanding and Google Play Radio with unlimited skips and commercial free play is ideal .
 
Maybe I am just old fashioned but I prefer to have actual possession of the music files or discs. Why would I want to pay a fee over and over to listen to music? It seems absurd to me.

I used to share the same sentiment until I got used to Spotify's free plan, which is seriously making me consider pay a subscription especially if they can match Apple's $15 family plan. It's really awesome.

What I like the most is: I make personal playlists and add tracks to it as I encounter them, I no longer have to confront the question of whether I wanna spend $1 on a track to add to a playlist, or buy the entire album. In my case since I'm old school, if I have the choice to buy, I prefer the entire album, but it gets costly fast, in which case I have harder decisions to make on what to commit on buying.

You'll find yourself giving a chance to genres and artists you may not have considered before, since there is no 'commitment' you'll be free to explore and give a chance to new material. This is why I think streaming works and even though I like owning music, it seems to me streaming is the future.
 
Apple Are making software so so simple that it makes the experience actually harder to use. All these littles tiny dots etc that look like absolutely nothing. I like something but I don't know where all the likes songes are located, or if they even saved what i liked.

I downloaded I tunes on windows for the first time in years and it's just a mess. Where the hell is everything located and how the hell am I meant to know all these flat icons, It's a over simplified mess that doesn't make sense at all.

I mean I added songs to my apple music on my phone and it wasn't appearing on my itunes on my computer. I finally managed to work out out to sync it, I had to press this very small cloud in the corner of the screen, and then boom they all appeared. I'm semi tech savi and it took me ages to know this little small symbol meant something. over simplified garbage.
 
Sorry, not interested Trent. I buy music. I like supporting the artists I listen to. I buy it from them on a CD at their shows when possible. Not interested in streaming, DRM or getting locked in to any middle-man money schemes scooping the dough off the top. I am a long time Mac fan. I think iTunes is an abomination and needs to go. The UI is awful, there's no dark mode and it's trying to do way too much these days. Break out these services away from the music player. I don't need them.
 
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