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Guys, I'm done debating on this

Read the news day by day and tell me we don't have a major issue on our hands

(we do)

You can explain it away all you want, but one need only watch what's already happening (one week in!)

Anyhow - I'm out on this one -- you guys can go back and forth on semantics and hypotheticals all you want.
I'm watching what is physically taking place, right now .. no need to speculate
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Guys, I'm done debating on this

Read the news day by day and tell me we don't have a major issue on our hands

(we do)

You can explain it away all you want, but one need only watch what's already happening (one week in!)

Anyhow - I'm out on this one -- you guys can go back and forth on semantics and hypotheticals all you want.
I'm watching what is physically taking place, right now .. no need to speculate
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You misunderstand--we aren't saying there isn't a major problem. We are just saying celebrity culture is part of what caused this problem.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Yeah…it was a Nazi salute guys
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And yet again you are stealing Alex Jones's bread by pointing out to a structural things.

A "heavyweight" intellectual always looks at the culture and how it creates a vector of the development of the society.

It is not a Nazi salute or swastika that brought Germany down, it is a conceptually fundamental cultural difference between Bolshevism(bigger than me) and fascism(me,me,me).
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Yeah…it was a Nazi salute guys
Let’s stop even attempting to explain it away

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Of course it was. It was a double fascist salute.

He is employed to be a chaos agent on behalf of the Saudis, Emiratis and Russians.

They use third parties to pump up his stock to artificially inflated levels despite all his vaporware and **** quality engineering. This is the bribe payment they give him with the condition that he causes chaos throughout the west. He will never try the same tricks against autocratic countries.

This whole right wing patriotism is a the biggest scam. They pretend to love the western countries while they take bribes from anti-democratic nations.

Look who the investors in his Twitter take over were. The Saudis and Binance (a Dubai and China front) put money in the pot.

The so called US regulators and US intelligence agencies - asleep at the wheel just like before 9/11.
 
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I’m starting to wonder if we have people here who would be OK with Elon coming out and saying “yes it was a Nazi salute and yes, I support their ideology”
 
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turbineseaplane said:
I’m starting to wonder if we have people here who would be OK with Elon coming out and saying “yes it was a Nazi salute and yes, I support their ideology”
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You are trying to divide the room in half: "good" people on one side and "bad" people on another side.

Politics is insanely complex and mostly unfolds in a non-structural domain(therefore the importance of the "the spirit of Schiller").
 
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turbineseaplane said:
I’m starting to wonder if we have people here who would be OK with Elon coming out and saying “yes it was a Nazi salute and yes, I support their ideology”
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For supporting the Nazi ideology, you would have to know what that exactly means. I think many don’t have a proper understanding of what this means…..yet. They probably would condemn the word “nazi” but support many things that comes with it.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
It was a Nazi salute and he is a Nazi

(video at the link below… You’ve got to see the woman physically move away from)


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Elon Musk: "race mixing is bad. Italy for Italians!" *woman next to him moves as far away as possible*
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No, what people like you are doing is that you are trying to raise nazi ghost from grave. All he said on that video is about preserving national specificity and culture. There is nothing bad about it. It was like that after war, nobody had any issues. I was in Italy in the 80s still had it’s specificity. Globalism ended, deal with it.
 
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Atog said:
No, what people like you are doing is that you are trying to raise nazi ghost from grave. All he said on that video is about preserving national specificity and culture. There is nothing bad about it. It was like that after war, nobody had any issues. I was in Italy in the 80s still had it’s specificity. Globalism ended, deal with it.
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The symbols and gestures only make sense when you "fill" them with context.

The problem with Elons "gesture" is that he did not fill it with context and therefore left it wide open for interpretations. When people see an "empty space" they jump in and fill it with their own context(a concept of "hijacking" applies) and of course everybody pretends that they don't have any skin in the game even though it is well understood that Nazis are a perfect puppets that help advance global politics for those who know and understand more.
 
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The symbols and gestures only make sense when you "fill" them with context.

The problem with Elons "gesture" is that he did not fill it with context and therefore left it wide open for interpretations. When people see an "empty space" they jump in and fill it with their own context(a concept of "hijacking" applies) and of course everybody pretends that they don't have any skin in the game even though it is well understood that Nazis are a perfect puppets that help advance global politics for those who know and understand more.
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Nazism was well funded by elites from US and Germany bc they were affraid of Bolshevism rise in Weimar republic. But that is just very tiny fraction of the problem. These political extremes are there always to complement each other. Don’t want nazism? Do not support far left bc sooner or later you will have the pendulum swing on opposite direction. People on far left really think they can push society from their side without ever seeing any consequences? Society will always be the same push on one side get balanced from the other side. Too far left you will get far right response and vice versa. If you want stable society keep it around center as long as possible.
 
Atog said:
Nazism was well funded by elites from US and Germany bc they were affraid of Bolshevism rise in Weimar republic. But that is just very tiny fraction of the problem. These political extremes are there always to complement each other. Don’t want nazism? Do not support far left bc sooner or later you will have the pendulum swing on opposite direction. People on far left really think they can push society from their side without ever seeing any consequences? Society will always be the same push on one side get balanced from the other side. Too far left you will get far right response and vice versa. If you want stable society keep it around center as long as possible.
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You could have just said:

"We need a strong middle." and "It is all about how we are with each other(a non-structural thing)." - Ray Dalio

Moderators already urged not to get too far off-topic, so lets wrap it up here.
 
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Ok let's wrap this up;

I once read the following list of signs, that indicate a very dangerous development:

1. Powerful and exaggerated Nationalism (patriotic slogans/symbols/songs/flags to be seen everywhere/etc.)
2. Outspoken favouritism and corruption (like friends who get positions inside government)
3. Contempt for intellectuals and Arts
4. Obsession for crime and punishment
5. Suppression of Unions (=suppression of workers)
6. Religious rethorics
7. Fraudulent elections
8. Protection of the power of companies
9. Obsession with national security
10. Controlled mass media
11. Rampant sexism (like traditional role patterns getting tighter)
12. Domination of military power (even with big domestic problems, military gets more funds and is glorified)
13. Identification of "black sheep" (race/ethnic/sex/religion/etc.)
14. Contempt of universal human rights

I agree 100%.
The name isn't that important....fascism (Mussolini), national socialism (Hitler), communism (as Stalin interpreted it, while in fact it could be called something like state fascism)...maybe Trump could call it "Republicanism", totalitarianism, autoritarism....Putin claims that "his" Russia is "democratic", but I don't agree,.... etc. etc.
Whenever one (often more) of the above signs show....we have to be very, very careful!
 
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Dutch60 said:
depending on your definition of socialism, I could be one of them.
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Depending on woke definition of far right everyone non-woke is far right nowadays and that’s just one of many mistakes “socialists” did in the past decade.
 
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aloysiusfreeman said:
Hate to break it to you, but all of this anti-woke stuff is pretty synonymous with far-right. The venn diagram of anti-woke and far-right is almost a complete circle.
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That’s what I’m talking about. Decade of mistakes and you STILL wont did not understand a thing. At this point after driving your society to the ground, consider yourself lucky to only “suffer” course correction in way of Trump.
 
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aloysiusfreeman said:
Socialism is very appealing, considering that capitalism seeks to exploit others and will embrace fascism when the workers fight against their exploitation.
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Yep. Very appealing for some who never experience it. I did, ask anyone in Eastern Europe how Socialism works when socialists come to power. Hint: not very good.
East europeans were so “happy” they had to get rid of it 1989.
 
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Atog said:
That’s what I’m talking about. Decade of mistakes and you STILL wont did not understand a thing. At this point after driving your society to the ground, consider yourself lucky to only “suffer” course correction in way of Trump.
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What mistakes? Letting trans people feel comfortable and have dignity in public? Workers getting more democratic control over their lives? Those are not issues driving this society to the ground, it's capitalism out of control and leading to a further isolated society while income inequality is growing at a disgusting rate

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Yep. Very appealing for some who never experience it. I did, ask anyone in Eastern Europe how Socialism works when socialists come to power. Hint: not very good.
East europeans were so “happy” they had to get rid of it 1989.
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Good thing I'm not interested in USSR-style communism.
 
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Atog said:
Yep. Very appealing for some who never experience it. I did, ask anyone in Eastern Europe how Socialism works when socialists come to power. Hint: not very good.
East europeans were so “happy” they had to get rid of it 1989.
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Your talking about a black and white world that doesn't exist. Most democracies are a mix of capitalist and socialist principles. Both are important to a functioning civilization.

The problems come with either socialists or capitalists exert single single-party, oligarchic or authoritarian control of government by abusing and than eliminating democratic systems in search of purity of ideology.
 
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BaldiMac said:
Your talking about a black and white world that doesn't exist. Most democracies are a mix of capitalist and socialist principles. Both are important to a functioning civilization.
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Absolutely correct

It's mind blowing how many in the USA seem to think they want "hardcore Capitalism" ... while benefiting from a broad array of social support policies
 
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