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The UK demanded ADP backdoor and Apple simply stopped new ADP activations for UK account and didn't do anything for the rest of the world, so the easiest option is Apple should just raise US prices to make up for the increased taxes.

Not only are your iPhones not made in america, they're now more expensive. Deal with it.
 
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By "made in America", you mean "plugged all the final components into each other in America."

By that metric, all the PCs in my house were made in Canada since I assembled them in my kitchen.

This is so true.
Too many don't seem to understand how globalized the world is.

I was listing to a podcast about this a few weeks ago and they were talking about several countries involved in just certain little screws for iPhones (due to various elements that make the final product)
 
Speaking of Boeing… If a full trade war the US vs. Rest of the world becomes reality, what happens to Boeing. It sources major components from 24 countries and assembles them in the US.

Airbus would be able to sell its aircraft with much lower production cost due to low or no tariffs for components. Boeing could be competitive in the US but at a much higher price point than today.

And getting locked into one’s domestic market is not a good thing. The Jones Act and shipyards are a prime example of this.
Yeah the whole Boeing thing is a mess. I am really disappointed more heads didn't roll. When I was in the Navy, I worked on ATC radar systems (as a technician, not controller); so all the 737-Max issues really really got to me; there should have been televised upper management hangings over all that. Skimping when it comes to anything related to flight or flight monitoring should be considered criminal.

The other thing getting to me right now is the total lack of transparency in reporting what is actually going on when it comes to Air Traffic Control. I worked on the stuff in the 90s, and everything had redundancy built in. All the radar systems had 2 channels in case 1 failed; and they were considered essential, so they got fixed even if it killed the budget; of course I was military; but the military and civilian airports all use the same systems, otherwise the IFF systems would not work right. So when they report systems going completely out -- I am a bit skeptical. Also the FAA is supposed to be doing random non-announced checks all the time, at least they did when I was in the game.

Air Traffic Controllers have got it real bad right now; I hope they don't all just walk away. Very stressful job, we had several controllers on the Navy base hand in their FAA badges, during my time in the Navy.
 
More like 18 months. Short of declaring himself World King, the Dems will take both houses in the mid-terms, then the orange painted shitgibbon is in for a world of hurt.
First, I have to say I observe the US politics from outside, which may bias my observations.

However, populism is a more general phenomenon. We have seen a lot of it in Europe, as well. The reasons are similar.

I would not take it for granted that the Dems will have a landslide victory in the mid-terms. They have an opportunity but they’ll first need to analyze why people voted for the said hominid.

Answering this by saying that voters were stupid may be part of the technical explanation. That, however, does not help much, as curing stupidity is difficult. People voted for Trump because they felt he would be the best option.

This is about feeling, not about analytical thinking. There are a lot of unhappy people who feel politicians do not see or understand their life. They tend to turn towards populists.

Of course, we all benefit from strong economy, and the current president may not be the best person to fix the problems. My perception is that we should talk much more about identity and how to talk about and with other people respectfully without creating polarization.

I would not say Dems have been very great in this respect, either.

Moderate Dems could clean the table, but we’ll see what happens.
 
Trump got a lot of people to vote for him by promising to lower prices. So far, almost everything he has done raises prices. I hope his voters are paying attention and getting mad. Presidents aren't supposed to pick winners and losers in business. I would hate to be Tim Cook right now.

They aren't paying attention or getting mad.

They are getting constantly lied to.

The brazenness with which RW media straight up lies about what is happening is totally shocking.

If one can stomach it, tune in, and you'll be blown away.
 
This is so true.
Too many don't seem to understand how globalized the world is.

I was listing to a podcast about this a few weeks ago and they were talking about several countries involved in just certain little screws for iPhones (due to various elements that make the final product)
Frankly, people don't realize because most consumer-facing products are "Made in China" (or another country, depending on the product).

Even people I've met that worked in factories say "we don't make anything here anymore". I drove by two factories going to college, and a foundry and chemical plant on my way to work now!

It's a difficult mentality to break when you stare at a phone that says "Made in China", an App that is "Made in China", with ads for "Made in China" products.
 
How many on here would pay over 3K for an iPhone? Remember the over 10k in today's dollars Macintosh computer built in the USA. The reality, Trump agenda using Tariff’s for the real objective that has little to do with jobs or manufacturing here. Rewriting the Constitution for power the end goal.
 
The grand plan has been unveiled........

1) Let 10+ million illegal immigrants enter the United States over the last 15 years.....
2) Put them all to work in low wage manufacturing job that Americans dont want.....
3) The United States becomes the next "China" for manufacturing.

Quite brilliant actually.
 
I’m ok with a 25% tariff…. Just make it 100% deductible on Apple’s income tax on a a 1:1 basis.
 
The grand plan has been unveiled........

1) Let 10+ million illegal immigrants enter the United States over the last 15 years.....
2) Put them all to work in low wage manufacturing job that Americans dont want.....
3) The United States becomes the next "China" for manufacturing.

Quite brilliant actually.

You must have missed the Supreme Court allowed the admin to pull temporary protected status this week for Venezuelan migrants, well over a year early. Disney already started firings.
 
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How many on here would pay over 3K for an iPhone? Remember the over 10k in today's dollars Macintosh computer built in the USA. The reality, Trump agenda using Tariff’s for the real objective that has little to do with jobs or manufacturing here. Rewriting the Constitution for power the end goal.

I sure wouldn't, even though I can afford to...No cellphone is worth that much, regardless of features.
 
If you are thinking about buying a new phone, then I would get it now and not wait. iPhone 16 isn't overly exciting but it is a good solid phone, IMO. I have no issues with mine, so far.

Do not be surprised when prices do not go down much after the tariffs are over.
 
I voted against him three times.
Which means you voted for Harris, right? Becauseif you did anything other than actively vote for Harris, you elected Trump. If you voted third party or if you didn't vote at all, you elected Trump.

Trump is an idiot.
I mean, he literally committed crimes in the open and promised to do a lot of really stupid and damaging sh!+ during his campaign, managed to build a huge army of high-level sycophants to do his bidding, and still managed to win the election. I'd say he can't be that much of an idiot.

Most of his supporters, on the other hand...
 
Boeing 787 is either GE or Rolls Royce engines. The recent US-UK "framework for a deal" had Rolls Royce tariff free exceptions for Boeing.

Airbus Mobile only final assembles the A220 and A320 series but they use CFM (GE-Safran JV) or Pratt & Whitney engines.
Of course, but they can use R-R if needed.

I am aware of the tariff carve-outs, such as the UK-US “deal”. This is part of TACO, tariffs are put in place—except where they would really matter.

The same thing happened with electronics when Big T set China the 145 % tariffs. That was a happy day for European electronics manufacturers, as their US competitors would have needed to pay very high tariffs on components (only 20 % for assembled electronics from the EU). And that is why Trump chickened out.

My point is that the tariffs Trump threatens to have are just insane from the US industry perspective.

Free trade is the only way to go. Tariffs should be used only in very special cases (subsidized dumping).
 
Trump got a lot of people to vote for him by promising to lower prices. So far, almost everything he has done raises prices. I hope his voters are paying attention and getting mad. Presidents aren't supposed to pick winners and losers in business. I would hate to be Tim Cook right now.
I know a few Trump supporters that still act like everything that is happening is great, and is great for the US. Personally I think that what is really happening with these people is something Mark Twain said best:

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled".

It's either the Trump supporters have too much pride to admit that they made a mistake, or the only other option is that they aren't smart enough to see it.
 
The grand plan has been unveiled........

1) Let 10+ million illegal immigrants enter the United States over the last 15 years.....
2) Put them all to work in low wage manufacturing job that Americans dont want.....
3) The United States becomes the next "China" for manufacturing.

Quite brilliant actually.
Isn't Gestapo Barbie's goon squads rounding them up for looking "forrin"?
 
Moderate Dems could clean the table, but we’ll see what happens.
This is the key. I will come clean and say I did vote for Trump; but I sure as hell didn't vote for all this Tariff nonsense or the complete lack of laws being followed when it comes to immigration. I do feel that immigration is out of control and people being here illegally do need to be removed; but they deserve their time in court before doing so; and deporting them to a foreign prison system is so massively ****ed up.

My vote for Trump was more a defiant move against the sheer stupidity of the Democratic Party right now. They are so hell bent on issues that the vast majority of people don't care about.

Moderates need to find a way to take back both parties or form a third one. Both parties are so extreme right now they both suck.
 
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You mean Apple should shift production to somewhere where costs are higher (let's ignore skill and quality for now) and do what? Apple's net profit margins are in the 20-30% range. Moving production completely to the United States would require decades of work, hundreds of billions of dollars, and huge price increases. Apple would have to raise prices by 2 - 5x to shift all iPhone production to the United States, assuming shift was remotely possible. How would Apple compete with other computer, smartphone, and other companies? Do all of them have to shift all their production to the United States for devices going to the United States? People are going to buy a $2000, $3000, or even $5000 iPhone instead of a $1000 iPhone because it's "Made in America"?

If this tariff happens, all Apple needs to do is list the product price, slap on a "25% Trump tax" (call it that -- Trump would threaten Apple, but Apple would absolutely win the ensuing court case), and sell at the higher prices. We just need every business to be that clear about the effects of tariffs in their pricing. If Trump wants to enact bold, beautiful tariffs, he should take full responsibility for them and accept them as his tax on importers and consumers. Obama got "Obamacare", Trump can own the "Trump tax" of tariffs.
I respect the confidence, but where do you get your info? The PM of most iPhones is > 40%. Components are made in different countries by different suppliers, including the USA. Assembly is done by FOXCONN. Investment would be mostly required by Apple's suppliers, not Apple itself.

The tariff threat is not to expect full production is a matter of months. The ask to have a commitment of production/assembly in the USA - likely to a certain threshold. Indonesia went through this same process with Apple, but their thresholds were likely lower.

Apple is sitting on somewhere in the neighborhood of $1 trillion. Even if they need to pick up the tab a little bit, they can afford it.

Maybe a better strategy is to come up with the next 'big thing' and start fresh with that product here in the USA. Mobile phones will hopefully be on their way out soon!
 
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