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Trump Demands US iPhone Production, Threatens 25% Tariff

I was waiting for the M5 gen of Macs, which are few months away, to be released. But every passing week it feels like I should get an M4 before they raise the price of Mac hardware, even if I’m living in Europe.

We’ll see… I’d really like to wait a bit further because whichever Mac I get, I will keep it until it is no longer usable.
 
dannys1 said:
Look I live in the UK, I had absolutely no ability to vote or not for Trump and yet everything he does is directly influencing my life. My pension dropped thousands, my investments dropped thousands- my business is based around Apple products so anything he does detrimental to Apple affects me too.

And I don't have any power to vote against any of this. He's operating on an insular American first policy in quite clearly a globalised world.
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I feel you pain. I’m in the USA and voted against him but to no avail and my retirement investment is down a lot too.
 
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dannys1 said:
Look I live in the UK, I had absolutely no ability to vote or not for Trump and yet everything he does is directly influencing my life. My pension dropped thousands, my investments dropped thousands- my business is based around Apple products so anything he does detrimental to Apple affects me too.

And I don't have any power to vote against any of this. He's operating on an insular American first policy in quite clearly a globalised world.
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And I'm here in the states and we have our fancy electoral system, so my vote counts for nothing in my state. :(

Also watching my retirement investments plunge. He's destroying both America and the rest of the world. Frightening to say the least.
 
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DrRadon said:
But they will make the rest of the world pay to even out pricing for the us. America should be punished for reelecting the orange man, not all of us.
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Let’s see. Apple punishes us Europeans by increasing the price of their phones by 25 % in Europe. The they get a lot more money and can sell iPhones in the US without increasing the price.

I don’t think so.

The relation between supply and demand is a funny one. Increasing prices decreases demand. In the best case, consumers just replace their phones slower. Getting a new phone every third year instead of every second decreases sales by one third.

The alternative is more likely—and even worse for Apple. Consumers decide that the higher price is not worth it and get Samsungs. This may happen also because we wouldn’t think it would be fair to punish us for what your Most Greatest Leader of All Times has done.

And after buying the first Android, switching back has a high threshold.

Apple has usually had approximately the same tax free price in all regions. That decision has not just appeared out of the blue.
 
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raybo said:
Samsung/Google/LG would have the tariffs if they did not shift to the US. Apple would have to eat at least some of the expense either way. Why are we employing overseas slave labor?
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Almost everything you buy is made overseas. Why do you call it 'slave labor'? Where is your evidence? And if it's cheaper to build cars in Alabama, is that slave labor? I take it you have no idea how economics work, with skilled vs. unskilled jobs. And I expect Apple to eat the cost as much as I expect Balckrock to eat the cost. You live in a fantasy.
 
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smirking said:
It’s way more than the labor costs. The whole frickin supply chain is in China. They spent decades building it up.
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Annex China.🤣 China can be the 53rd state, after Canada and Mexico.🤣 By annexing Mexico, we eliminate the illegal border crossing. By annexing China, we can do away with tariffs. By annexing Canada we can get proper maple syrup for our pancakes.
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There is no off position on the genius switch.😁😁
 
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Remy149 said:
Stop the lies most people wouldn’t. In fact the vast majority people could no longer offered them then. It’s why folding phones aren’t widely in use
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Right, I'm lying. Yet, I've dropped upwards of $2000 on every phone I've owned over the past 4 years. And, I never said anything about most people, I was talking about me. I'm not concerned with most people, or the money they do or do not have.
 
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raybo said:
Should have already been transitioning production to the US. Nobody made them do it. Now's the time. Twenty years is long enough.
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Not possible. Unless Apple and customers would be willing to spend considerably more $$$$ for iPhones.
 
Maybe they should just skip making a 2026 phone. We don't need a new phone every single year. There is not that much innovation from one year to the next anyway.
 
avkills said:
Apple could absorb the Tariffs, but why, do what has already been mentioned, line item stating "Trump tax"!

The problem with moving manufacturing here is that we do not have the skilled labor force necessary to do it, and it will only get worse since Trump is also gutting research funding and basically hates science in general.

The US in general hates science or anything that has to do with being smart. Sports is glorified, higher degrees and teaching vilified; so called business majors are propped up. Pretty much the reason Boeing, Intel and all of these other has been tech companies are starting to falter is that they are all run by bean counters and not engineers.
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Speaking of Boeing… If a full trade war the US vs. Rest of the world becomes reality, what happens to Boeing. It sources major components from 24 countries and assembles them in the US.

Airbus would be able to sell its aircraft with much lower production cost due to low or no tariffs for components. Boeing could be competitive in the US but at a much higher price point than today.

And getting locked into one’s domestic market is not a good thing. The Jones Act and shipyards are a prime example of this.
 
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DrV said:
Speaking of Boeing… If a full trade war the US vs. Rest of the world becomes reality, what happens to Boeing. It sources major components from 24 countries and assembles them in the US.

Airbus would be able to sell its aircraft with much lower production cost due to low or no tariffs for components. Boeing could be competitive in the US but at a much higher price point than today.

And getting locked into one’s domestic market is not a good thing. The Jones Act and shipyards are a prime example of this.
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Boeing 787 is either GE or Rolls Royce engines. The recent US-UK "framework for a deal" had Rolls Royce tariff free exceptions for Boeing.

Airbus Mobile only final assembles the A220 and A320 series but they use CFM (GE-Safran JV) or Pratt & Whitney engines.
 
DrV said:
Speaking of Boeing… If a full trade war the US vs. Rest of the world becomes reality, what happens to Boeing. It sources major components from 24 countries and assembles them in the US.

Airbus would be able to sell its aircraft with much lower production cost due to low or no tariffs for components. Boeing could be competitive in the US but at a much higher price point than today.

And getting locked into one’s domestic market is not a good thing. The Jones Act and shipyards are a prime example of this.
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The only people in support of blanket tariffs are people who don't realize that even U.S.-manufactured products (We are still the second-largest manufacturer on the planet) use global components.

In short, all U.S. companies would suffer, not just Boeing.
 
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Ethosik said:
No it’s not. It’s a strong negotiation tactic. It’s like when you want to negotiate a salary or raise. You don’t say “I want $1”. You ask for much higher so the counter is closer to what you actually want.
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This works only if the threatened bad outcome is both realistic and palatable to the side making the threat. Look at what happened with China: Trump imposed massive tariffs in the form of import taxes, China retaliated with massive tariffs of its own and by withholding rare earth minerals desperately needed by the U.S., shipments from China plummeted, and Trump had to back way off even though China didn't even fully ease its retaliatory measures, meaning that the U.S. overall is now in a worse position than before all of this started. Meanwhile, other nations affected by U.S. tariffs have forged new trade partnerships with China, and China's trading position is now stronger than ever.
 
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