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I think there needs to be careful consideration about the burden of proof. If Chinese government accuses a US company of illegal activity, Chinese government should bear the burden of showing the evidence. It should not be the accused US company's responsibility to prove its innocence.

There also needs to be careful consideration about associating country of origin and a company. US government's spying program all over the world is well known. Nonetheless, I do not think it is fair to use that as an excuse to ban a US company.
You actually trust the Chinese. Their largest export is counterfeit items and slave labor.
 
I disagree. If they are collecting and spying on Americans to gather information that they can use nefariously then ban the app.

So the question is 1) whether the information gathering is illegal and 2) whether government should take punitive action based on what it think a company may do. I am all for having a strict regulations on what info can and cannot be collected by an app. But it is a slippery slope to enforce law based on belief instead of fact. That is essentially McCarthyism.
 
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As much as I dislike him, I think this is a good move.
I disliked Obama and there were many policies I agreed with. Thank yo
Tik Tok groups destroyed Tulsa rally. Trump bans Tik Tok.
Conspiracy theories much? Earth is flat? We didn’t land on the moon? Stop trying to spread conspiracy theories. Or trying to make news like some news outlets do.
 
NOT a fan of Trump (OR Biden for that matter), but here I think Trump is doing the right thing.

NOT a BIG fan of MSFT, but here I think they are very-likely making a smart move (depending-upon the acquisition price).
 
You actually trust the Chinese. Their largest export is counterfeit items and slave labor.
I was leading a division of a US business that had developers in China. They decided to leave and started up their own company in China using IP owned by the US company - even using sales material with the original logo in place.

IP theft and government spying is par for the course in China.
 
An evil foreign government harvesting Americans data is not a problem?
The same can be said everywhere for American companies. Should they all reciprocate and ban American companies?
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Everyone crying and complaining about the move to ban TikTok based on “beliefs”, also don’t realize they don’t know everything that the administration knows but does not divulge publicly.
American system values "Due Process".
 
I was leading a division of a US business that had developers in China. They decided to leave and started up their own company in China using IP owned by the US company - even using sales material with the original logo in place.

IP theft and government spying is par for the course in China.
If true, this seems to be very ****** practice. One thing I am wondering is whether Patents, trademarks etc are recognized across nations or whether there is a international agency in charge of patents recognized globally. Does US recognize a patent registered in China or vice versa? I can see the difficulty of enforcing IP protection If there is no mutual recognition.

Plus, there are very large grey area of what is considered IP theft. Historically, countries in lead of technology favor more strict IP protection while countries lacks in tech tend to be loose. US pirates lots of tech (textile manufacture tech is probably the most well known) from the U.K. back in the days. There can be vague area of what is learning and what is stealing IP. Countries tend to define these based on its own interest.

Finally, what level of IP protection should there be is complicated. India has laws that basically allow generic drug company to use pharmaceutical patents for free in India. That's how their generic drug industry is so strong. One may argue this is blatant disregard to IP but it also helps a poor country to afford drugs. One may argue that IP law/protection sometimes is used very much as a tool to suppress those currently weak in R&D.
 
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I think there needs to be careful consideration about the burden of proof. If Chinese government accuses a US company of illegal activity, Chinese government should bear the burden of showing the evidence. It should not be the accused US company's responsibility to prove its innocence.

There also needs to be careful consideration about associating country of origin and a company. US government's spying program all over the world is well known. Nonetheless, I do not think it is fair to use that as an excuse to ban a US company.

Take a look at the movie "Dark Waters" to learn all about USA companies being nefarious to the world.
 
And this is exactly the point. Nobody knows what the administration knows to exact its measures.
Due process as in months or years to disseminate publicly.
Due process means Federal or State attorneys sue TikTok, then TikTok appears in court as a defendant. Anything that happens outside of the US legal system is authoritarian black box manipulation.
 
I'll say this about Trump. He is strong worded with people publicly while working out "deals" with them privately.

I largely agree with this assessment about president Trump. From those books from his formal advisors/cabinet members etc (these are hearsay so we should be cautious about the accuracy), it seems Trump himself takes a more pragmatic approach, sometimes in contradiction to conventional political norm. Not sure whether it is for his own interests or just his approach to dealing with political and foreign relation matters. But it does seem like he is not very ideological driven.
 
TikTok is my favorite app. There is a lot of good content on there! Mostly from women 18 and over. There will be a lot of pissed off people if this app is banned. Doing some quick research -

Monthly Active Users in the United States – In November 2018 TikTok reported that they had 20 million monthly active users in the United States. With the staggering growth that's occurred since then, we estimate that the current number of monthly active TikTok users in the U.S. is about 70 million. (that number is much higher now).

TikTok's user base still very closely matches that of Musical.ly. Most of its US users are young, with 25.8% aged between 18 and 24. A further 24.5% are aged 25-34, suggesting that many TikTok users have stayed with the app, despite reaching their 25th birthday.

Although nobody has ever publicly disclosed the exact purchase price Bytedance paid for Musical.ly, most pundits estimate that it was in the range of $800 million to $1 billion.

TikTok currently rakes #4 in the App Store. It has been #1.

So yeah, he could end up further behind Biden if he bans the app.
 
“A danger to free expression???”

Then what do ya call what they’ve been doing to Trump and his supporters this whole time???? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Of course it should be banned! Only US companies should be allowed to spy on Americans!

You misunderstand the issue. It’s not that a company is spying, it’s that the company is an arm of a foreign Government, one that is collecting dangerous amounts of data.
 
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