Trump Responds to Apple Keeping Diversity Policies

[SpaceJello]

For a political party that champion states rights when it comes to the Second Amendment, and tell scary tales of government overreach and communism, this presidency is doing exactly that: trampling state’s rights, centralizing and consolidating power within the executive branch, controlling individual’s bodily autonomy, and dictating its interpretation of the law.

Apple is a private company. When did the State become its overseer?

 

[BaldiMac]

You can name it anything you want to make it sound benign. It's societal cancer.

It's just a fancy phrase for racial discrimination. If there's only 3 spots and you "include" three people, you are excluding the fourth.

There are a lot of legal and legitimate reasons to exclude that fourth person. Color of their skin? Absolutely not okay.

And this is was already happening, people with DEI mindsets become entrenched in positions of authority and then surround themselves with likeminded people.

Weird how you’re concerned about women and minorities getting one of those slots even though it’s far more common that they are shut out in favor of less qualified white men.

 

[G5isAlive]

I understand it. Almost didn't have my current job because of it. Not enough girls in the department and HR demanded there be.

key word 'almost.' But you DID get the job and apparently did not bring anything different to it.

edit: is it a 'demand' if not met? Sounds more like a suggestion. Shrugs.

 

[bgillander]

Many businesses fail within the first year, nearly half fail after 5 years. Apple’s past isn’t a Cinderella story either.

You think Apple's past isn't a cinderalla story? "Company kicks out founder, who later returns when company near bankruptcy, only to turn it into one of the world's most valued companies". That story? Seems pure Hollywood.

That said, I am sure that a movie about managing to bankrupt casinos would also be a very interesting movie.

 

[darkslide29]

Why would you hire someone who will actively work against you?

The type of 'loyalty' Trump wants is different than the 'loyalty' mentioned for past presidents - both democrat and republican. Of course no president is going to appoint someone who actively works against them. But past democrat and republican presidents have commonly given appointments to someone from the other side of the aisle. It's also common to keep existing officials in their roles whose appointment goes beyond a presidential term.

But Trump was annoyed by the lack of "loyalty" in his first term, he couldn't get the DOJ and FBI and others to do his actions exactly as he wanted since they deemed the requests possibly illegal. So not only is he making sure to not make the same mistake he did the first term by appointing only the most loyal "yes men", but also getting rid of officials whose appointment didn't end so that he can put in more of those "yes men".

Trump isn't just looking for loyalty, he wants " loyal yes men".

 

[bgillander]

You can name it anything you want to make it sound benign. It's societal cancer.

It's just a fancy phrase for racial discrimination. If there's only 3 spots and you "include" three people, you are excluding the fourth.

There are a lot of legal and legitimate reasons to exclude that fourth person. Color of their skin? Absolutely not okay.

And this is was already happening, people with DEI mindsets become entrenched in positions of authority and then surround themselves with likeminded people.

True, I have noticed that Trump is appointing a lot of unqualified white people just because they are likeminded friends.

 

[SpaceJello]

They don’t have to. The Civil Rights Act of 1969 already makes illegal hiring decisions based on race and other traits. Suddenly Democrats are very confuse by this. Apparently you are to

You have to ask yourself: why are you so bothered by the idea that people should not be judged based on their skin color when applying for a job? Sounds pretty racist to me.

Wait… wasn’t that

Like unilaterally renaming bodies of water?

Or soon to be sunbathing in Gaza.

 

[SpaceJello]

True, I have noticed that Trump is appointing a lot of unqualified white people just because they are likeminded friends.

I thought it was merit based according to the White House website?

 

[bgillander]

I thought it was merit based according to the White House website?

Well, of course. Nothing more honest than a Jr nepo baby telling you about the meritocracy they believe in!

 

[4tune8chance]

In an all-caps post on Truth Social today, U.S. President Donald Trump said Apple should fully end its diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) policies.

"APPLE SHOULD GET RID OF DEI RULES, NOT JUST MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THEM," he wrote.

Trump's post comes one day after Apple held its annual shareholders meeting, during which a majority of shareholders voted against a proposal that asked the company to consider abolishing its Inclusion & Diversity policies and goals.

The proposal was submitted by the U.S. National Center for Public Policy Research, which calls itself a "non-partisan, free-market, independent conservative think tank." The organization said that DEI programs pose "litigation, reputational, and financial risks to companies, and therefore financial risks to their shareholders."

Apple recommended that shareholders vote against the proposal, labeling it as an attempt to "micromanage" the company's business operations. Apple said that it already actively monitors its operations to maintain compliance with applicable non‑discrimination laws. During the shareholder meeting, Apple CEO Tim Cook acknowledged that the company may be forced to make changes to its DEI policies in the future, as required by law. Trump believes that Apple should get rid of the policies, rather than modify them.

In any case, Cook told shareholders that Apple will always have a culture of belonging.

"We strive to create a culture of belonging where everyone can do their best work," said Apple, in its annual shareholders meeting notice.

Trump has criticized DEI programs since returning to the White House. Last month, he signed an executive order that "terminates 'diversity, equity, and inclusion' (DEI) discrimination in the federal workforce." In response, some other tech companies like Google have scaled back DEI policies in recent weeks.

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Translation - “nice company your running there Tim, be a shame if something happened to it”

 

[4tune8chance]

Why is the government telling private corporations how to handle their internal affairs? Isn't the Republican Party all about reducing and limiting the role of government?

Oh sweetie, Hahaha

 

[Timo_Existencia]

Haven't seen this mentioned in the thread. Apple says 97% voted against the measure to remove DEI.

That's a pretty strong rebuff, not from finger-in-the air management, but investors, including lots and lots of institutional investors.

Meta, on the other hand, scrapped DEI through a management decision, rather than asking shareholders. If Apple's shareholders voted 97% against removing DEI, I wonder if management teams have misread the direction of the breeze?

 

[slb]

There's really no such thing as a small-government conservative, and Trump demonstrates it every day.

 

[JamesMay82]

I think people should hire the right person for the job and not base hiring on any quotas of race, religion, sexuality etc

From the recent Apple presentations they seem to be pushing a very inclusive presenter pool. Which maybe they are all the best people for the job but it does feel a little forced for me.

I can’t help but think that Apple have gone to far with it and that trump is going to far in the opposite direction and that we maybe just need some more middle ground.

 

[waloshin]

It's almost like Trump doesn't answer to shareholders...

The useless orange turd answers to Putin.

 

[segfaultdotorg]

The useless orange turd answers to Putin.

And Elon.

 

[picpicmac]

The proposal was submitted by the U.S. National Center for Public Policy Research, which calls itself a "non-partisan, free-market, independent conservative think tank." The organization said that DEI programs pose "litigation, reputational, and financial risks to companies, and therefore financial risks to their shareholders."

Be sure to look up the history of that org, and who it is.

And note how it tries, by using "U.S. National Center" that it is being deceptive, trying to sound official. (Note that MacRumors has inserted the unnecessary "U.S.")

It's just the usual brew of toxic, right-wing atavism.

 

[vantelimus]

Do we think it's right to ask employees to violate their conscience?

Companies ask people to violate their consciences all the time. You have a right to quit if you don't want to do it. In my experience a lot of people don't mind doing things that violate my conscience. I've seen people willfully and gleefully violating contracts, deceiving customers, and illegally discriminating. But, I'm guessing that's not the kind of "violation" you are talking about since DEI only involves treating people fairly.

Does everyone have the right to live their "authentic" selves? Because, if I am not allowed to live my authentic self as a Christian, then you are discriminating.

You should leave your religion at home. If you cannot do that, then you should restrict your activities to those which don't disrupt the company's operations. Honestly, no cares what you believe as long as 1) you aren't proselytizing; and 2) you are doing your job.

Do we all have to have the same political, religious or moral beliefs to work here? If not, then why are we pressing people to take firm positions on controversial political and moral issues that have little to do with workplace productivity?

Is treating people honestly and fairly a controversial political and moral issue for you? Is creating a just and equatable society a problem for you? Honestly, I don't know what your problem could be with those since you have chosen to profess your Christianity. Those are right in line with all the values I was taught in a conservative Lutheran school.

 

[picpicmac]

Is treating people honestly and fairly a controversial political and moral issue for you?

It probably is, sadly.

Many religions turn into authoritarian boys clubs, intent on othering whoever they don't like.

 

[vantelimus]

For a political party that champion states rights when it comes to the Second Amendment, and tell scary tales of government overreach and communism, this presidency is doing exactly that: trampling state’s rights, centralizing and consolidating power within the executive branch, controlling individual’s bodily autonomy, and dictating its interpretation of the law.

Apple is a private company. When did the State become its overseer?

“The definition of fascism is The marriage of corporation and state ”

― Benito Mussolini

Fascism is when corporations become the abused spouses of the state.

 

[DrJR]

Please, in your own words, describe how the person you were responding to, was Marxist in their statement. I’m genuinely curious what you imagine Marxist means

You don’t know about historicism? “The right side of history” or “let history be the judge” as common expressions of history as authority?

 

[steve333]

DEI is going byebye and none too soon.
Discrimination is illegal, including against White folks.
DEI teaches separatism, division and a warped world view.

 

[DrJR]

It probably is, sadly.

Many religions turn into authoritarian boys clubs, intent on othering whoever they don't like.

Especially Marxism

 

[BJMRamage]

DEI is going byebye and none too soon.
Discrimination is illegal, including against White folks.
DEI teaches separatism, division and a warped world view.

The world and United States is comprised of more than white folks. Look around. Sometimes they can get jobs too…not just white folks. I feel like seeing a company that looks like the community/nation around me would not feel so separating. If anything having a company of all folks like me would feel quite separating.

 

[tgwaste]

Wrong president Trump. Stay out of corporations legal hiring practices.

Are you sure you want the gov to stay out of corporations legal hiring practices? Do you need a history lesson on what use to be "legal hiring practices". DEI is ironically racist and non inclusive and it should (and WILL) be abolished in this country. Wether you like it or not.