We already have laws that cover what “DEI” is at its core. So either it’s useless or going too far.
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Don’t want to get in a gender pay gap here to full detail. But most women don’t work 16 hours a day in IT or STEM for that matter. I do believe nurses should be compensated more with how much they work as an example. But I have had family members literally complain that a senior developer working large amounts of hours makes more than them but they are a tattoo artist and works 6 hours a day. Typically a male senior software developer and a female senior software engineer makes the same pay.
Again there are extremes and opinions on every side. Women also get added benefits that males don’t have in most companies. One of my clients doesn’t have paternity leave but they have an insanely generous maternity leave and it doesn’t impact your other time off.
That doesn't make much sense. DEI programs are meant to make sure that companies are staying in compliance with discrimination laws.
It's certainly true that some studies have shown that women make up to 99% of the salary of men when controlling for the same job and the same qualifications. But that ignores the fact that women aren't getting promoted to the same levels when the have the similar qualifications. So it doesn't tell the whole story.
So maybe we need another program to keep DEI in check. And another program to keep the new program in check….
That's just nonsense. You first post talked about waffling between extremes, but that's exactly what you are doing here.
Right wing extreme: Do nothing to eliminate hiring discrimination.
Left wing extreme: Quota-based affirmative action
I certainly don't support either of these approaches.
The centrist: DEI initiatives that focus on educating hiring teams on how to avoid biases and discrimination as well as making sure opportunities for recruitment, professional development and advancement aren't implemented in ways that discriminate or fail to address diverse populations.
MAGA's entire argument is to convince us that the centrist position doesn't exist.
So, when Tim Apple was sucking up to a fascist in the office, he was expecting what exactly? It was kinda inevitable.
It takes a pretty bad business person to bankrupt multiple casinos.
while it is safer to speak up when anonymous, life is too short to work in a place whose values conflict with your own and you are scared to say what you think. it will give you heartburn. And given how good you said you are at your job, one would think you would be in demand at place that value the best person for the job, which is DEI.
Any study can find whatever the researcher is looking for.
Are there wage gaps? Yup. And it's common sense why.
It's not easy to hire the best person for the job, but you want whomever is the best that you can afford. Even Steve had issues finding the best. Notice not once did he mention anything regarding color, sex, who they choose to have sex with, etc.
You don't need a study to figure out common sense. (Unless you are in government then you need a study on everything and completed in triplicate...)
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that pregnancy is a lot rougher on the woman than the man.🤫 It only makes sense maternity leave should be longer than paternity leave.
Lessons are to be learned from the century-long culture war (in the US especially but it also exists elsewhere) over creationists fighting against the teaching of evolution.
One such: creationists are not convinced by the evidence for evolution because whether or not a creationist continues to hold their religious belief is not determined by the kind of evidence scientists bring forward (for evolution.)
When dealing with humans and the presuppositions a person holds the interrogator must be willing to accept that changes are likely not going to come from a straightforward, rational arguments. Instead, the change is often gradual, or if sudden then dependent upon some major life change that brings with it major emotions.
One such: creationists are not convinced by the evidence for evolution because whether or not a creationist continues to hold their religious belief is not determined by the kind of evidence scientists bring forward (for evolution.)
When dealing with humans and the presuppositions a person holds the interrogator must be willing to accept that changes are likely not going to come from a straightforward, rational arguments. Instead, the change is often gradual, or if sudden then dependent upon some major life change that brings with it major emotions.
That’s…..my point. They get benefits. Time off is part of a workers total compensation.
And I didn’t say it was longer, paternity leave is literally zero for them. You don’t think a mom could use support of her husband?
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There is no point to having a system to keep a law in check. Anti discrimination exists. If you need to rely on DEI to keep it in check there are other problems. And my response was based on yours that indicated that DEI is required for anti-discrimination to be in check. And my response (as in my first and second hand experience of no longer hiring white males regardless of their skills) is maybe we need something for DEI to be in check.
It was a cheeky response. Not to be taken really all the seriously. And that is the problem these days. Ever single thing is taken way too seriously.
We don’t need DEI for anti-discrimination. That already has existed way before DEI was a thing. As in, the centrist point you have there is already anti-discrimination laws that has existed for decades.
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Again, that was all gobbledygook. I have no idea what you think DEI means.
There certainly is a point to having processes in place to keep your company from breaking the law. That's a completely normal thing.
And anti-discrimination laws have done NONE of that for decades until we had DEI suddenly show up everywhere in the last 4 years? Every company was breaking the law up until recently?
Adhering to anti-discrimination laws is the process you are referring to and has been in existence for decades. The DEI process is the extra fluff that is not needed. I was literally trained 20 years ago when I became a hiring manager about anti-discrimination and adhering to EVERYTHING you had stated. It wasn't what we refer to as DEI.
That's what the data shows on average. And, despite the new term, companies have had programs equal opportunity programs for decades. It didn't suddenly show up. Republicans have just latched onto a new term to demonize. CRT, Woke, DEI. It's all about convincing people that minorities that are being discriminated against are really the ones doing the discriminating.
I find that very hard to believe because if that is the case then all the "average" companies you are referring to should be shut down for breaking the laws. I have never seen or heard a company that did not have some form of anti-discrimination policy in place.
Why is it hard to believe? Have you not looked at any data on the topic?
Hah! DEI is the anti-discrimination policy by another name.
The have paternity leave for workers in Europe. Unlike us in the US, workers there have rights. I took a week off to take care of my wife after her she gave birth. We managed to wrangle her sister into moving in with us for a year to help her out.
But yeah, I would have loved to take a month off to take care of my wife and bond with my crotch gremlin.😁
My wife has to quit her job. US labor laws leaves much to be desired.🤨
"To DEI or not to DEI" is none of MAGA's business. But, they seem to want to push their noses into everyone's business. Go TF away, dammit! God, they are so fricken' annoying.
That is not what DEI means at all.
DEI is there to give a hand up to anyone they perceive to deserve it, and that excludes Whites and Asians and Jews and any group they perceive to be successful, even though the vast majority of all immigrants come to this country poor and are not well off for decades if at all.
We also had Fire Departments that were mostly White Men because the job had been passed down from generation to generation.
A difficult job that demands physical strength and the urge to actually do the job.
Ask LA what DEI has done to their Department. True for any major City that decided that certain characteristics are more important than skill and the ability to do the job.
Diversity means nothing. Merit is what counts.
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They are not Republicans, they are MAGA. Big difference !