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TSMC's A9 Chip Outperforming Samsung's in Early iPhone 6s Battery Benchmarks
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So there is some great arm chair eng going on in this thread love it. I would suspect that right about now apple is pulling in a large pool of phones and preforming similar tests on them and having there over paid stats boys work the numbers. If they find out there is a significant finding there will be something done be it firmware or replacement if that is needed. Samsung will be the one on the hook for failure to comply with the contract. These companies were handed the chip design from apple and told to produce it. Samsung wanted to trot out there 14nm tech TSMC went with there 16nm tech the results should be very similar if not identical. Samsung might have had a yield issue or quality issue and never told any one about it. There will need to be thousands of sample points from each chip build to determine how big of a difference there is. I would suspect apple is none to pleased right about now with some one at samsung if there calculations fall in line with what you all are arm chair finding. This will be a huge black eye not for apple but for samsung as they can pass the buck see you can't even trust samsung to build your vanilla part with out them trying to sabotage you. Apple is samsung number 1 customer they pretty much keep there direct manufacturing arm in business think about loosing apple as a customer forever yikes and samsung just took a huge profit hit last two quarters scramble mode for those fellows
I have the 6S Plus with the TSMC chip. I find my iPhone lasting a bit longer then my old 6 Plus. Usually by end of day I had 30 to 40% battery left with 6 Plus. Sometimes as low as 20 with heavy usage. With the 6S my range is 45 to 55%. I don't know if this is because of the TSMC. Perhaps IOS 9.0.2 is better as well as this is a new battery and my old one was over a year old on IOS 8.
You can't just say it's the TSMC chip. If yours is doing well with a Samsung then be happy with it. Apple can often make software tweaks should something truly arise. Who knows....maybe it's just press trying to get viewership!
You can't just say it's the TSMC chip. If yours is doing well with a Samsung then be happy with it. Apple can often make software tweaks should something truly arise. Who knows....maybe it's just press trying to get viewership!
I call BS on this one. You think Apple wouldn't have put a large batch of retail ready phones from each through more strict testing than dopey Geekbench? They waste weeks talking about the curve of an edge on a bezel and internal chip placement, but fail to notice that there is a huge difference between vendor SoCs? Doubtful. I'm doubling down on doubtful when the vendor getting slagged is Samsung. Apple has no reason to do them any favors or to be quiet about their chips not being up to par.
You have no idea where the goal post is. Samsung may be spot on and TSMC performing over spec.
It doesnt matter who sued who, there seem to clearly have been transfer of proprietary information.
They are two different technologies, of course there will be a difference. Apple doesn't have to make identical devices (but not doing so is shooting yourself in the foot), they just need to be as good as promised (hours usage and standby). Most likely both SOC's are above that, one is just way better
iPhone 6S+ 128GB N66mAP
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I remembered when I want a samsung. It's OK, even if it wasn't as good, I hate samsung anyway so I don't want a processor of there's
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I remembered when I want a samsung. It's OK, even if it wasn't as good, I hate samsung anyway so I don't want a processor of there's
I do own the iPhone 6S with a samsung chip, and have to charge it after classes. It sits in my pocket for most of the day though. I talked to apple support and said that they sometimes replace processors, but it is very rare, so just carry a backup battery with you.
Are any of you with the Samsung chip experiencing what you would consider good battery life?
It matters greatly.
"Liang's lawyer, Wellington Ku said restricting his client from working at a rival company would generate controversy as his non-compete agreement had already expired."
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/38560-tsmc-wins-a-secrecy-battle-against-samsung
He quit and signed a two year non-compete agreement in 2009 and went to work at the university in 2011.
You claim that "there seem to clearly have been transfer of proprietary information." but you can't even tell us what was allegedly transferred.
If TSMC had the goods to sue Samsung they would have. But they haven't.
That's true. I hadn't considered that the TSMC SoC might not be exactly what Apple wanted, manifesting in the form of a happy accident while Samsung's could be spot on or that Apple really wouldn't care about excess as long as their measurements were satisfied.They are two different technologies, of course there will be a difference. Apple doesn't have to make identical devices (but not doing so is shooting yourself in the foot), they just need to be as good as promised (hours usage and standby). Most likely both SOC's are above that, one is just way better
So the TSMC has batter battery under tests. I can't find if the Samsung has better testing performance or are they equal in that regard?
All the threads and tests I've seen on here, they've shown they are very similar in performance. It's just the battery life that appears to be the variation.
typically Smaller chip needs less energy.
but Atokosh over at 9to5mac posits that a smaller chip may take More energy, if the software is optimized for a different larger chip such as the 2nm larger TSMC (his quote follows):
"You pay the price of power when you make something smaller and faster. because Apple designed the chip with that die size to have x power consumption and when [samsung] made it a little smaller since it was not optimized for the smaller die size it takes just a little more power to do computations faster.
I am currently a sophomore electrical engineering student and I learned this all about a month ago and it makes so much sense."
but Atokosh over at 9to5mac posits that a smaller chip may take More energy, if the software is optimized for a different larger chip such as the 2nm larger TSMC (his quote follows):
"You pay the price of power when you make something smaller and faster. because Apple designed the chip with that die size to have x power consumption and when [samsung] made it a little smaller since it was not optimized for the smaller die size it takes just a little more power to do computations faster.
I am currently a sophomore electrical engineering student and I learned this all about a month ago and it makes so much sense."
Interesting report. So it could be fixed with a some software tweaking on Apple's part?
Anyone have an alternative to the app? App Store says "item is no longer available"
Ouch. I remember having issues with the Retina Macbook Pro because of the two different panel suppliers. Fortunately I had the "good one". Oh well. I'm sure Apple will address this - and only a few of us will have ever noticed
I was about to get my wife a iPhone 6S, but will wait until this shakes itself out. We are a split household - I'm on Android (Note5) and she has my old iPhone 5S, which is getting a bit long in the tooth.
I was about to get my wife a iPhone 6S, but will wait until this shakes itself out. We are a split household - I'm on Android (Note5) and she has my old iPhone 5S, which is getting a bit long in the tooth.
LoL. Not surprised if Apple pulls all apps. like this one until they sort out the issue.