Actually there was a link to a test of more phones that seemed to confirm discrepancies between the two different chips.
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Actually there was a link to a test of more phones that seemed to confirm discrepancies between the two different chips.
In your personal opinion, is this an issue or not?
It is (mildly) amusing that you still haven't become tired of pulling off the completely pathetic "macrumors = one entity"-BS.
LOL. Say what? Care to tell me how that's "Flowery lawyer language?"
By the way what you just wrote up there is an obvious distortion
This is what you wrote:
"After leaking the information, Liang apparently left TSMC and took a job at a South Korean university that also happens to be sponsored by Samsung."
This was the ruling from the Taiwanese court according to the article:
"Now Taiwan's Supreme Court ruled in favour of TSMC in its lawsuit against and told Liang he cannot offer his services to Samsung before the end of the year, and must refrain from leaking any trade secrets related to TSMC's chip technology."
You claimed that Liang Mong-song leaked information before he left tsmc in 2009. But the ruling handed down never said that. It did say that Liang Mong-song must "must refrain from leaking any trade secrets related to TSMC's chip technology" and that he can not work for samsung until after Dec 31, 2015. If a crime was committed why no jail, why no fines from the TAIWANESE court?
"Give it time and Im sure they will have plenty to sue Samsung. It is hard to prove this stuff until they are able to get their hands on Samsung chips and reverse engineer to see how it was made."
This lawsuit was filed in 2011. Plenty of Samsung chips have come and gone. Ziltch, nothing, nada.
Did you just completely ignore the bold text that said that his non complete clause had already expired just so you could rail against Samsung?
Please all these chip threads and video are what's misleading.
The circle jerks just prove how irrelevant the entire issue over the chips really is.
One week Samsung ruled.
The next week Samsung benchmarks were worse than TSMC.
Please. This is a bunch of non sense.
Meanwhile in the real world millions of people are somehow enjoying their new iPhones.
I agree with you 100%. Can't wait till next week when a new third chip is discovered.
So a TSMC Engineer sold trade secrets to Samsung? OK, yes. However, that is not Samsung hacking into TSMC's Servers. More over none of the "sold trade secrets" are in the 14nm FinFET SoC APL0898 fabbed by Samsung. Each chip uses a different transistor implementation. TSMC uses Stacked FinFET, Samsung a Die-Shrink.
However, your point is taken.
Not just any TSMC engineer. Liang is the the senior researcher who leads the TSMC 16nm development project who has been working in TSMC for decades. He knows every little details about TSMC's process recipes and secret sauce. He was targeted by Samsung specifically for his knowledge on TSMC's 16nm in order to gain a competitive edge for its own 14nm process. It is like Apple's Hardware VP, Bob Mansfield, leaving to work for Microsoft or Google, taking with him all of Apple's most secretive product plans, and hardware design know how. Nothing good can ever come out of this.
The structure of FinFet transistors are the essentially the same regardless of how you get there. But the recipe itself is patented. You call them differently because of "marketing".
FYI, TSMC had been developing Finfet technology since early 2000s, when the inventor, UC Berkeley Chenming Hu, worked at TSMC as CTO. (TSMC demonstrated its Finfet transistor in 2002). It amassed over a decade of knowledge of how to build it correctly with high yield. (Intel similarly had been working on it for over 10-15 years just like like TSMC.). It is virtually impossible to get a production Finfet process up and running in 5 years without "outside" help. But you can do it - if you get TSMC or Intel employees, who had been working on it for the past 10 years, to do it for you.
Obviously just being sarcastic. Just making the point that every owner of a 6s is going to be checking to see which chip they have and complaining about it
I understand that. However, it's Liang who is breaking the "Rules.". Samsung is under no requirement to turn away his offer. Samsung is not Stealing anything. They are simply using a former TSMC Engineer to advance their development. Lang is the only party deserving of scorn. They are the Turncoat. It's also fairly obvious from the current situation that "Liang's Sauce" is not the complete recipe.
Just as it is amusing that's you keep replying to my posts because my opinion doesn't mirror yours.
How do you like and or dislike the Note and Android compared to your past iphone and iOS experiences? I know the 6 plus out scores the note on many levels but the screen rez and camera looks great on the note.Ouch. I remember having issues with the Retina Macbook Pro because of the two different panel suppliers. Fortunately I had the "good one". Oh well. I'm sure Apple will address this - and only a few of us will have ever noticed
I was about to get my wife a iPhone 6S, but will wait until this shakes itself out. We are a split household - I'm on Android (Note5) and she has my old iPhone 5S, which is getting a bit long in the tooth.
A burn test has NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL LIFE, especially when it comes to battery.
Both chip seemingly don't throttle much under loads used in everything normally use on a phone (unless your running ray tracing on your phone...) and are so fast that very little will put them at a place where the benchmark takes them.
You comment is the same as:
- Taking two cars with one that will consume 20% more if driven at 90 miles per hour for an hour.... But, only 2-3% more if driven at less than 70 miles /hour during the same time (and possibly 5% if driven at 80). Technically, one is better, but it won't matter to you unless your doing "Le Man" with your car.
- Plane consumes the same as X and perform in similar ways when within normal operating range, but if you get a test pilot, and go up towards the edge of what they can do (which is often outside normal range), you got all sort of non-linear affects in airflow, the motors may perform differently when pushed, that may make them consume differently and make them very different to pilot from each other.
Same here, thermal effects and leakage is non linear, edge cases will reveal them and the limits of each system, but don't tell you much about actual performance when used within the envelope they were designed for.
Engineering tries to get the normal range well within the whole performance envelope so nobody hits the edge in real life.
Even a FPS video game won't stress the CPU enough to heat up as much as 3 lines of code in a loop can do.
A system is built to spec based on USE CASE, running a benchmark is not part of the use case. Simple as that.
I'm glad my iPhone 6S Plus is TSMC
Let me spell it out for you. Because obvious you are not reading or not thinking. The non-compete clause was for 2 years. The non-compete clause means you must be working in a field not related semiconductor - so to prevent you from transferring any trade secret or recent plans to anyone related to the semiconductor field.
Here is the alleged criminal case: To bypass the agreement, Liang and Samsung set it up so that he worked at a Samsung sponsored university from 2011-2013, where he can transfer all his knowledge regarding most recent TSMC semiconductors trade-secret to "students" who are Samsung semiconductor engineers. This is where the trade-secret transfer occurred. He act as a de facto director of Samsung semiconductor fab during those two years (as a fake professor) instructing Samsung engineer using his knowledge gained while he worked at TSMC.
Of course, more evidence has to be provided and proven in more courts. But the potential fallout could be big.
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You're not spelling anything out. You're just peddling a B.S. narrative that's divorced from that facts. Liang quite tsmc in 2009 and taught at the university in 2011 after the clause had expired. There was no bypass.
Exactly, there was a two year gap between when he quit tsmc and when he went to teach at the university. Clause fulfilled.
LOL. The alleged criminal case? You mean there was no actual case? You're saying the case was only alleged? Man you're too emotionally wrapped up in this case to think before you write.
He did no such thing because:
1 - There is no such thing as a "director of Samsung semiconductor fab"
2 - That would have to mean that the university is in fact a Samsung fab. It is not.
I look forward to your next piece of fiction.
How would the fallout be big for samsung? It's not like Samsung had no expertise before this guy came along. Also, it's a shocker that a taiwanese court continues to entertain lawsuits against this guy. I bet TSMC and nationalistic fervor aren't driving that or anything if the biased taiwanese articles are the norm, pointing at the samsung tech post liang over time looking more like liang-era tsmc according to tsmc when they had the same guiding hand and concluding shenanigans.
Anyway, I suppose if you want to use your iPhone to run burn tests and such all day and hate samsung for some weird reason, TSMC vs Samsung chips might make a difference to you.
Your expectation is too low, should just use a Chinese Android phone, you would be happy too.
Hi MacRumors community,
I am from Germany and I also received an inferior Samsung Chip based iPhone 6S. My girlfriend got a TSMC model, so I also made a test Samsung vs. TSMC, but not with the 6S Plus, but with the normal 6S. Here are the unpleasing results, the ugly truth!
iPhone 6S Chipgate Test: TSMC vs. SAMSUNG - Benchmarks & Screenshots inside:
http://f.ifun.de/discussion/1265/6s-chipgate-test-tsmc-vs-samsung-benchmarks-screenshots-inside
(german Apple forum)
I hope you like my test.
Best wishes
Casey
I am from Germany and I also received an inferior Samsung Chip based iPhone 6S. My girlfriend got a TSMC model, so I also made a test Samsung vs. TSMC, but not with the 6S Plus, but with the normal 6S. Here are the unpleasing results, the ugly truth!
iPhone 6S Chipgate Test: TSMC vs. SAMSUNG - Benchmarks & Screenshots inside:
http://f.ifun.de/discussion/1265/6s-chipgate-test-tsmc-vs-samsung-benchmarks-screenshots-inside
(german Apple forum)
I hope you like my test.
Best wishes
Casey
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Nearly the same as my girlfriend's TSMC 6S, congratulation.
I had a samsung device, but i brought it back. My result was 4:05 h.
5:51 (TSMC) vs 4:05 (SAMSUNG) - Apple must be kidding with the Samsung chip based models. -.-
Both my girlfriend's and mine were tested with airplane mode on, "do not disturb" mode on, background activities off, and lowest display brightness.
You can look up all my test results here: click on the link in my signature!
Best wishes
Casey