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I was just thinking about what Apple could be up to and then IT HIT ME!

The gmail local storage in HTML5 demo from a few days ago...

There is no reason this cannot be used for let's say google maps?

Then let's say apple adds text to speech capabilities in the next gen *think the newest tomtom's and what they do*

Then a little turn by turn magic, and we got everyone's wet dream!


I am curious if this isn't coming...
 
Apple's strategy

Prohibiting voice-guided GPS is consistent with previous Apple iPhone policies, namely the lack of voice dialing. These represent Apple's ongoing commitment to injure and/or kill its end users. Chances are that Apple is heavily invested in an auto repair franchise, a casket/crematory franchise, or both.;)
 
Is anyone concerned about the 800-900 MB size of this application, due to the map data it stores? I wonder how many of us pay attention to the sizes when shopping for apps.
 
If I would produce an android phone or the Pre I would copy the iphone add saying apple has 15000 apps which can fart and scream, but my apps can actually work in the background and give you real navigation. Its the fartest phone ever against the smartest.
I hope they can put enough pressure on apple to change their policy. Or maybe jailbreaking gets a renaissance.
 
Is anyone concerned about the 800-900 MB size of this application, due to the map data it stores? I wonder how many of us pay attention to the sizes when shopping for apps.

I think for being network independent 900mb is worth it. It happens to often that I do not get a location because there is no connection or only slow EDGE. Also since it does not constantly connect to the network battery live should be much better.
 
The gmail local storage in HTML5 demo from a few days ago...

There is no reason this cannot be used for let's say google maps?

There are big reasons why google wouldn't let users store map tiles locally.
 
Just change the legalese to "Do not operate while driving a running vehicle. Once a vehicle has been started, only passengers should operate this device." Other GPS devices deal with these issues--Apple can too.

Apple mentioned GPS software (vaguely) before, so I doubt they're categorically opposed to making it possible. They have no reason to be.

I think for being network independent 900mb is worth it. It happens to often that I do not get a location because there is no connection or only slow EDGE. Also since it does not constantly connect to the network battery live should be much better.

It's the price you must pay. I'd like a full-US version, and would accept an even larger data footprint as a result. I'd have to settle for less video or music, but so be it.

I'd want a hybrid system that had maps pre-store, but could overlay that with Google satellite imagery pulled from the 'net when available. GPS + aerial photography is great.

There's big reasons why google wouldn't let users store map tiles locally.

It works in Google Earth, on the iPhone and on computers. I browsed around in iPhone Google Earth, loading terrain imagery, and then drove onward with the network off. It continued to track me, bringing new scenery into view from what had been cached. (iPhone Maps does not do this: you get empty space. Google Earth does. Which is not practical for driving directions--and you have to manually "look ahead" to where you expect to be later, to make the imagery load. But it does demonstrate some caching of map data when the network is unavailable.) No HTML-anything is needed, of course--we're taking about a non-browser app, and plenty of those receive and store data from the Internet (game levels, mail attachments, whatever).
 
It'd be like suing the publisher of an road atlas, or the manufacturer of a mobile phone, for your own stupidity whilst driving.

Hey that how I had my first accident I checked for an exit in a traffic jam on a map and suddenly there was this car stopping in front of me. To bad that happened in europe but I will keep it in mind as business-alternative.
 
A little off topic but I hate the way North America is moving when we are limited to choice because that choice could potentially harm some of the stupid members of our population. If it's dangerous to use while driving the car, stop the car. There are a lot of things that are dangerous while driving, we can't make laws or ban all of them. I've seen people put on their make up, read newspapers, and a host of other similarly distracting things.

Our choices should not be restricted because of potential ill side effects. Instead we should have less rules and maybe people would have to think for themselves again instead of just following rules.
 
I just bought this, downloaded it (very slow) and have been playing with it in my office. I love it. There are some things that could be improved, but this is close to exactly what I was looking for in a navigation app.

Reading this thread is very strange because we have two opposite extremes of argument against this... sometimes coming from the same people. You can't argue that the Google Maps app is just as good as this, AND argue that this is unsafe to use because it doesn't have voice prompting. Its totally illogical.

I have been using PDAPhones since they were first available and have used nearly every major navigation program available on them, as well as having used stand alone GPS devices. Other than audio, this one seems to be pretty good. Personally, I don't see what the big deal is with audio prompting. I rarely turn it on, and when I do is more for a reminder to look at the GPS device when I'm on a long trip with long periods of time between turns. Otherwise, the device tells you how far it is before the next turn and you can just give a quick glance periodically to double check how close you are. Anyone that thinks that this is unsafe is not being reasonable. How is that any different from glancing at your speedometer or rear-view mirror. Its part of driving. Actually, how is it any different from glancing at a street sign to see where you are. Voice prompting is not a big deal.

I have used the Google Maps application extensively for navigation, and IT is very dangerous. It gives you turn by turn directions, however you must keep track of where you are and index it to the next turn for each step. After indexing to the next turn, you have to turn back on the active tracking. This is two manual steps needed at each turn... often several times per turn when the ramp is considered a segment. God help you if you get off track and have to re-route yourself... you basically have to redo your route and retype in "current location" as your starting point. Comparing that scenario to G-Map is ridiculous. G-Map gives you turn by turn directions without you touching anything along the way, and re-routes you if you get off track... like any GPS device does. The lack of audio prompting is a minor issue and is a nit compared to the other differences (especially safety) vs. using Google.
 
I was just thinking about what Apple could be up to and then IT HIT ME!

The gmail local storage in HTML5 demo from a few days ago...

There is no reason this cannot be used for let's say google maps?

Then let's say apple adds text to speech capabilities in the next gen *think the newest tomtom's and what they do*

Then a little turn by turn magic, and we got everyone's wet dream!


I am curious if this isn't coming...

You could be right, but the Google app is free. So Apple turns down a subsidy on selling a real navigation program.. something that MOST people would buy, and something that will be more expensive than the average App Store application... so they can beat everyone to the punch with their free app? That makes no business sense at all.
 
This is all well and good but my main problem with the device as an iphone owner is that it is absolutely crap for making phone calls, average conversation is about 30 seconds before it drops the call and that's if it rings at all. Often the bloody thing cuts out walking down the street and I live in central london so this is not out in the countryside. Getting voicemails 3 days after they were left is not good either. And don't get me started on how much it crashes, it makes windows 95 look stable...

I've got till June before my contract runs out and I won't be re-newing it, I'll be buying a nokia...

Talk of apple halo effect is true, although in my case it's the reverse having gone from using apple hardware for professional work my next computer will be a core i7 workstation that I build myself, and it will run xp pro. :eek:

I hope apple realise that what made them cool wasn't industrial design or a shiny operating system it was the outstanding work done by professionals who happened to use apple hardware... :rolleyes:
 
Apple does not seem to like half-hearted efforts, maybe that's why they are not hurrying one into the market. Unless GPS software is as practical and good as a real one, so that it can replace an actual dedicated unit, it will only be good enough for those occasions when you just got lost or stuck in a jam without a real GPS unit. gMaps might be good enough for those occasions, even though it does not really re-route you very easily, but it does give you real time traffic updates for free.

Beyond a nice interface and all the features like POIs, re-routing (the way it works on my TomTom is not very practical to use), avoid toll roads or freeways options etc, somehow, iPhone should to be able to play music while GPS is ON, pausing when GPS needs to issue a voice prompt. It needs to let you make or take phone calls handsfree, while GPS is still working and able to mute your conversation briefly to issue a voice prompt. All of these without the whole thing crashing. I don't know if the existing iPhone hardware is powerful enough to handle all of these tasks.
 
iPod Touch

Call me crazy, but isn't the demo video done on an iPod touch? Is that big, gaudy black box connected to the bottom some kind of third-party GPS receptor?
 
You can't argue that the Google Maps app is just as good as this, AND argue that this is unsafe to use because it doesn't have voice prompting. Its totally illogical.
Sorry, your logic totally escapes me. They might think the practical differences between the two apps are not significant enough to make the new one worth $20 AND using either of them while driving is unsafe due to lack of voice prompts.
 
Call me crazy, but isn't the demo video done on an iPod touch? Is that big, gaudy black box connected to the bottom some kind of third-party GPS receptor?

you are right! THIS IS AN IPOD TOUCH (black vs chrome bezel)! I can't believe macrumors and everyone else missed this!
 
I think we all heard that Tom Toms GPS product was ready for the IPhone long ago. Now that this app is out, I wonder if Tom Tom will soon be releasing their product.
 
My $.02,

I drove my motorcycle today with this mounted on my bike (great iPhone mount by Ram mounts I believe).

It really works! I changed my route, and it adjusted perfectly.

The only problem is the stupid text message alert stays on the screen, and my gloves don't interact with the screen!

All, in all... great app for me!
 
Touch?

I'm kind of confused, on the site it makes no mention of there being a necessary GPS module for the touch. However in the pic, and surely by common sense you'd need to attach a gps module of sorts?
 
Even if they make advanced GPS apps for the iphone, the GPS hardware will not be as accurate as a good TomTom. My navigation system acquires satellites and is ready to go within a few seconds. Large screen and large keyboard, and it connects perfectly via blutooth to the iphone. It even copies the entire contacts from the phone and the sync works better than my OSX address book with the iphone.

I don't think Apple will ever release a top quality GPS software.

So what Nav system do you have that does this?
 
well, at least this one is out there, so hopefully more will follow. $20 seems kinda a lot for this app though. that's probably why it's getting not so good reviews
 
well, at least this one is out there, so hopefully more will follow. $20 seems kinda a lot for this app though. that's probably why it's getting not so good reviews

To me $20 seems cheap since you've bought it for life and for all the iPhones and iPod touches you own. Beats Verizon charging $10 a month just to use VZNav and blocking any other option.
 
well, at least this one is out there, so hopefully more will follow. $20 seems kinda a lot for this app though. that's probably why it's getting not so good reviews

It seems cheap to me considering map updates for normal GPS units are at least $70.
 
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