Tweaked Full-Size iPad with Lightning Connector Coming Next Week

[WeegieMac]

So? Your expectation was your fault, not Apple's. They didn't break any promise to you. You have every right to be upset, but not any reason to think Apple did something wrong.

I never said they broke any promise to me. It's a natural assumption going on history that iDevices get an annual update. The 4 was left out longer to allow the 4S to make a change to the iPhone refresh date, but that's pretty much it in recent years.

All this does prove to me is what I knew all along, is that the A6 was good to go in the new iPad, but was held back for the reasons we are now seeing become apparent. The iPad ALWAYS got the new A chip prior to the new iPhone, but the new iPad changed that. And now we know why.

I have never, in my 30 years using technology (mentioned for simple stat not a brag, boast, or "I know more than you" ... just in case) seen a brand new product refreshed within such a short time scale. We were not sold the best Apple could do with the iPad at the time they launched the new iPad, that much is abundantly clear.

 

[Jacoblee23]

Nothing to do with wanting the "latest and greatest", I own a 4S I am 4 months into contract with and a 2009 iMac. I simply don't like paying premium price for a new product to see it replaced within six years on the market. It simply is not value for money.

Bingo. This isn't about having the latest and greatest.

 

[Aluminum213]

I got the iPad 3 the day it came out and if it gets outdated next week so be it, welcome to the world of technology folks...technology doesn't advance around your schedule

 

[linuxcooldude]

And AGAIN someone has managed to miss what I posted when I said what I knew the trolls would rush no point out. I KNOW my current model fulfills my needs and did when I bought it.

I don't think no one missed your post, they don't necessarily agree with you on all your points. Which is fine as we all have different opinions.

The value is there if the device gets its true lifecycle.

And while I love America, you are not the centre of the universe.

It's not a $500 tablet I'm on, it's a £649 tablet.

A device should not have to be based on just its life cycle. Its true value is based on a multitude of things...price...hardware...features...software...support.

In fact its life cycle does not end once a new iPad comes out. It will continue to receive software iOS updates that will bring fixes, new features for the next few years. Once this ceases, then I could see when this devices cycle might end. Even then it can still be useful, if not for you, maybe to someone else.

Of course the USA is not the center of the universe. But nothing is stopping the UK from bringing out is own version of the tablet, instead of relying solely on the iPad.

It's not a $500 tablet I'm on, it's a £649 tablet.

Pricing is bound to be different based on the exchange rates, import taxes & VAT. Not really Apples fault.

 

[Anuba]

This is going to permanently affect my judgement to buy an Apple product in the future. Early obsolescence just made the original iPad 3 a failed product.

How often do they change the connector on the iOS devices? Once every 9 years, apparently. And the rumored iPad tweak was triggered by that change, if you ask me.

1) In order to make the iPhone even thinner they once again needed to shrink components, just like they did with SIM > Micro SIM > Nano SIM.

2) Once the iPhone had a new connector they needed to make it the standard iOS device connector.

3) With the iPhone 5, iPod touch and iPad Mini all sporting the new connector, it's bleeding obvious to everyone that the next 10" iPad will also carry it. So to avoid stalled sales, and also to kickstart the transition for third party accessory manufacturers, they decide to update the 10" iPad.

4) Once they're updating it anyway, it would be silly to not give it the A6 chip that's in the iPhone 5.


If you want to read this move as evidence of a new diabolical release pattern that renders products obsolete every 6 months, that's your call, but personally I think it's a one-off triggered by the move to Lightning.

 

[WeegieMac]

I don't think no one missed your post, they don't necessarily agree with you on all your points. Which is fine as we all have different opinions.




A device should not have to be based on just its life cycle. Its true value is based on a multitude of things...price...hardware...features...software...support.

In fact its life cycle does not end once a new iPad comes out. It will continue to receive software iOS updates that will bring fixes, new features for the next few years. Once this ceases, then I could see when this devices cycle might end. Even then it can still be useful, if not for you, maybe to someone else.

Of course the USA is not the center of the universe. But nothing is stopping the UK from bringing out is own version of the tablet, instead of relying solely on the iPad.

Pricing is bound to be different based on the exchange rates, import taxes & VAT. Not really Apples fault.

It clearly wasn't value for money when it obviously wasn't the best Apple could release publicly at that time. The A6 was good to go, we all knew it was, it was held back and now we know why.

 

[spcdust]

Betrayal? Touch over the top.

Annoyed at a product being phased out so soon into its lifecycle? Rightly so.

But that's the nature of technology, as others have stated it would be non sensical for Apple not to bring the iPad in line with the iPad mini and iPhone 5 by not giving it the lightning connector. It's all a storm in a tea cup if you ask me, it is just a tablet after all.

 

[linuxcooldude]

It clearly wasn't value for money when it obviously wasn't the best Apple could release publicly at that time. The A6 was good to go, we all knew it was, it was held back and now we know why.

Dont put the cart before the horse just yet.

and perhaps even a move to Apple's new A6 chip found in the iPhone 5. It is, however, unclear just which of the rumored changes will actually be included in the revision.

Only rumors, nothing verified. Even then, that was then, this is now.

Trying to justify value based on a very competitive market and very fast paced technology industry is not going to work anyway.

 

[spcdust]

It clearly wasn't value for money when it obviously wasn't the best Apple could release publicly at that time. The A6 was good to go, we all knew it was, it was held back and now we know why.

I think maybe you obsessing now - you weren't one of the neurotics that swapped out multiple iPads back in March due to apparent screen defects by any chance

 

[WeegieMac]

But that's the nature of technology, as others have stated it would be non sensical for Apple not to bring the iPad in line with the iPad mini and iPhone 5 by not giving it the lightning connector. It's all a storm in a tea cup if you ask me, it is just a tablet after all.

Yup, agreed.

If its only the connector changing, fine.

But a new low power display and A6 chip? Be tough to swallow given the age of the device from launch to now.

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I think maybe you obsessing now - you weren't one of the neurotics that swapped out multiple iPads back in March due to apparent screen defects by any chance

Nope, again more smart arse assumptions.

My iPad is the one that came out the box, white display, no yellow tinge, no light leak. There may be leak, but I don't hold my iPad at a daft angle, in a dark room, and look for defects.

Any other wild and woefully unfounded accusations you wish to throw my way, troll?

 

[Anuba]

But that's the nature of technology, as others have stated it would be non sensical for Apple not to bring the iPad in line with the iPad mini and iPhone 5 by not giving it the lightning connector. It's all a storm in a tea cup if you ask me, it is just a tablet after all.

Storm in a tea cup indeed. So your new-ish iPad is rendered previous generation a little early by a near identical one -- if that's the worst blow you had to take from the move to Lightning, consider yourself lucky. The gym I go to has about 20 treadmills and 40 exercise bikes with 30-pin iPhone/iPod docks on them...

 

[blackbelter]

The point that people are missing when they stress the fact that Apple usually stick to its annual update cycle is that, the so-called new iPad is not the true update that apple intended for iPad 2: it was forced upon apple precisely by its traditional annual update cycle, together with people's expectation to have retina equipped iPads. The necessary technologies simply weren't ready then. Even now we still have rumors about the retina display, that is the Igzo version, not being ready for mass production.

If apple updates the iPad line with A6X and a better retina screen now, we would have the true upgrade from iPad 2. Technically we are more than half a year behind the annual upgrade circle, instead of being 4 months ahead of it, as many people have claimed.

 

[spcdust]

Yup, agreed.

If its only the connector changing, fine.

But a new low power display and A6 chip? Be tough to swallow given the age of the device from launch to now.

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Nope, again more smart arse assumptions.

My iPad is the one that came out the box, white display, no yellow tinge, no light leak. There may be leak, but I don't hold my iPad at a daft angle, in a dark room, and look for defects.

Any other wild and woefully unfounded accusations you wish to throw my way, troll?

Sense of humour failure me thinks, come on, you're from the UK so I did assume you had one. Also, please don't throw the troll accusation around at anyone who doesn't agree with your POV.

 

[spcdust]

The long and short of it is there are many anti innovation views being expressed in this thread, are people truly saying that innovation cannot happen simply because they won't have the latest version? Surely this view is counter intuitive for people who claim they like Apple because Apple promotes newness and doing things differently?

 

[linuxcooldude]

The long and short of it is there are many anti innovation views being expressed in this thread, are people truly saying that innovation cannot happen simply because they won't have the latest version? Surely this view is counter intuitive for people who claim they like Apple because Apple promotes newness and doing things differently?

Yes, people wanted choice, wanted competition, wondering why a refresh is taking so long. We now have it for once, but now its down to "We don't have the latest & greatest anymore"

Before it was "Its not a good value because were paying the same price for old hardware" Now its "Its not a good value for old one because a new one came out with better hardware" Can't win either way you look at it.

 

[JS82712]

I don't know if you realize this, but the effect that Apple releasing a new product has on the ones you already own is nil. The iPhone 5 coming out didn't make my 4S any slower.

it did, it's called iOS 6.
You still havent realized how every OS updates make the previous gen devices slower?
An update as useless as iOS 6 shouldn't slow anything down on the 4S, but it did.

 

[Saladinos]

So? Your expectation was your fault, not Apple's. They didn't break any promise to you. You have every right to be upset, but not any reason to think Apple did something wrong.

It probably is, given all the constraints under which they operate (beating competitors to market, long-term solvency, supply issues, timing demand, component margins, mindshare, etc.).

Yes, they did break a promise to us. They promised us this was the best iPad they could build. You can't say that one second and then turn around this quickly with all this new technology. It didn't just pop out the air yesterday. The new dock connector, for example: they knew with 100% certainty that the iPad they were selling us had only one expansion port that was months away from EOL.

It obviously wasn't the best iPad they could build. Again, you can spin all you like (long-term solvency? You serious? Do you even know who Apple are?). Nobody's fooled. Apple were spiteful to their customers here, and that's a bad way for the relationship to turn. Apple used to be the only company on the planet who understood the importance of their relationship with their customers.

Then don't accept it. Apple's under no obligation to change what they are doing, there's no rule book saying "The person who bought this product is entitled to their bizarre misunderstanding of what they are actually paying for".

No, you just didn't understand what you were exchanging money for.

Apple may not have broken the law with this (although I'm sure advertising standards agencies are going to be looking at their public statements very closely, especially w.r.t LTE compatibility in the UK). That's not to say they didn't just antagonise tens of millions of their most loyal customers.

And that's going to have an impact. Next time I'm looking at an Apple product, even if it was just released a few months ago, I'm going to have that doubt in my mind. Everybody does that anyway, but now we're going to err on the side of waiting a lot more often when it comes to Apple.

And yes, I did understand what I was paying for. Apple told me. It was supposed to be "the new iPad". In fact, it was just a stop-gap so they could offload some 30-pin dock connectors.

 

[linuxcooldude]

it did, it's called iOS 6.
You still havent realized how every OS updates make the previous gen devices slower?
An update as useless as iOS 6 shouldn't slow anything down on the 4S, but it did.

Havent noticed any slow down on any of my iOS 6 devices. In fact I've seen an increase in battery life, especially my iPad 2. And I was not necessarily looking for it, it just sat at 100% for half an hour, which was strange.

Yes, they did break a promise to us. They promised us this was the best iPad they could build.

Thats was the best they could build 7 months ago. Technology for phones & tablets come at a very fast pace. Apparently some things were not ready yet when it was released earlier this year. Now they are ready, so they are at least going to update the iPad with the new Lightning connecter.

 

[Saladinos]

I think it's a one-off triggered by the move to Lightning.

I'm not saying it's any more than that, but they didn't just decide to move to Lightning the day before the iPhone 5 came out.

They knew about Lightning when it came to releasing 'the new iPad'. As you said, this is the first change in the port for 10 years. That makes it so vitally important that the new iPad included that connector.

 

[cKy Jack]

With new part numbers surfacing i can't imagine it being anything more than a change in the connector. I doubt very much they would refresh it already.

 

[linuxcooldude]

It was supposed to be "the new iPad". In fact, it was just a stop-gap so they could offload some 30-pin dock connectors.

Don't believe this at all. You know how many older iPads/iPhones that still use the 30 pin connector right? They can quite easily still sell them for a few more years in the used market.

 

[Smug Boy]

It won't happen. They will not revise the current iPad until Q2 of 2012.

 

[blackbelter]

It won't happen. They will not revise the current iPad until Q2 of 2012.

So now apple is developing time machine? Will it be released next Tuesday? That'd be cool!

 

[Anuba]

With new part numbers surfacing i can't imagine it being anything more than a change in the connector. I doubt very much they would refresh it already.

Personally I can't imagine them bothering to change the connector and then go "That's all. You know that A6 processor which everyone now knows exists and many already own through the iPhone 5? The one we advertised as 2x faster than the old one? Yeah, we're not putting that in this device that has an even bigger screen and needs that processor even more."

They're not going to release a tweaked iPad with older tech than the iPhone 5 has. They're either not tweaking the iPad at all, or they're releasing one with A6 and Lightning.

It won't happen. They will not revise the current iPad until Q2 of 2012.

Er... once evidence of new part numbers has surfaced, the "won't happen" phase is over and you move on to the "OK, so it's happening, BUT..." phase.

 

[Edslunch]

I'm not saying it's any more than that, but they didn't just decide to move to Lightning the day before the iPhone 5 came out.

They knew about Lightning when it came to releasing 'the new iPad'. As you said, this is the first change in the port for 10 years. That makes it so vitally important that the new iPad included that connector.

Same reason the new iPad didn't come with iOS 6...... It wasn't ready (some may it still isn't but that's a different thread).