Tweaked Full-Size iPad with Lightning Connector Coming Next Week

[Aluminum213]

Yes if Apple plans to introduce 3 cores as against existing quad core graphics. You are welcome to correct my stupidity.

they would then introduce a modified A6 chip 🙄 but the fact you would run out and buy the existing version out of fear of a downgrade is just...

 

[gnasher729]

Yes if Apple plans to introduce 3 cores as against existing quad core graphics. You are welcome to correct my stupidity.

If someone buys an iPad today because there is a rumor that there would be a new one released soon, with the next generation of the processor, and the person jumped to the conclusion that the processor would have weaker graphics, yes, that's stupid.

First, doing this because of a rumor is stupid. If and when a new iPad is released, you will be able to buy the old model for a while, so you might as well wait until you actually know the facts. Second, assuming that a next generation chip in an iPad would be identical to a next generation chip in an iPhone is stupid - Apple is capable of producing variations of the same chip, and they know that the iPad has many pixels more than the iPhone 5 and needs more graphics power. Third, assuming that a next generation chip with three graphics core is inferior to a current generation chip with four cores is stupid. There are things like chip architecture and clock frequency that play a major role; quite possible that the new chip outperforms the old one, like the iPhone 5 outperforms many Samsung phones that on the paper should be faster. Fourth, not considering that the new chip has vastly superior processor power is stupid. The A6 would overall be better than the A5, even if the graphics were slightly weaker.

And this is why competition is needed. There's no doubt Apple is very aware of what is about to be unleashed on this world. Windows 8 and Windows RT tablets. They love using the word ecosystem. Will MS already has a massive majority of the world on their OS, now to give them the tablet and phone to complete the ecosystem is Apple's worst nightmare. Many Apple blind followers will easily dismiss MS, but Apple being in the business, knows better.

Ahem. Windows 8 is the new Windows Vista. People will cling to Windows 7 as they did cling to Windows XP. The desktop OS is irrelevant to the phone and tablet market. It may be possible to run Windows software on a tablet, but Apple wouldn't have had any problems running MacOS X on an iPad - Apple didn't do it because it doesn't work well, and anyone looking for a tablet will figure that out. Some after they bought a Windows 8 tablet. Make sure you can return it if you buy one. It sounds sometimes as if Microsoft read all the bad advice that Apple gets on sites like this one, and followed it.

 

[linuxcooldude]

I do hope that this isn't the case.

As I just bought my iPad last month! I waited until they announced the iPhone 5 just in case if they mentioned anything about newer internals.

As they didn't, I decided to take the plunge. I so hope that they don't update. If they do, i'll be going to the Apple store and talking to the Manager.

HW

I certainly hope its because there is something actually wrong with your iPad if that's the case. Bestbuy has a program that allows you to trade up your device to the most recent one. Buying a product does not guarantee it's going to be the latest one for any length of time.

 

[metsjetsfan]

Has there been any rumors regarding the weight of a possible new ipad refresh. Igzo would allow then to reduce battery by a little.

 

[apolloa]

Thats exact reason I rushed in getting another one of the current mode for my wife. With retina screen you definitely need good processing and the moment I saw A6 getting upgraded(rather downgraded IMO ) I wanted to get one immediately before it goes out of stock.

Well, in terms of processing power my iPhone 5 with it's 'dual core' A6 smokes the pants off ANY iPad including the 3! FACT and I mean that is a FACT.

Now in terms of graphics, the iPad 3 has the edge just as it has quad core GPU, however, if Apple added a quad core GPU to a dual core A6 then your iPad 3 current gen will be like a dinosaur and IF they added the next gen PowerVR Series 6 GPU then it will make the refreshed iPad several gens ahead of the iPad 3 in terms of performance.

So no offence but your beliefs are a bit backward and strange because I would be pretty confident ANY A6 iPad update will make you sorry for 'rushing out' to buy the curent model, because the performance boost will be very noticeable.

 

[BvizioN]

It's the way Apple presented previous generations and then changed the naming scheme (for the better) from numbers to a unified name. Imagine if they did that with the iPhone? MacBooks and iMacs were never numbered, and I think they should just drop the numbering from their hardware entirely.

I know that, thanks.

Try telling that to people who get so confused by product names! It seems they need Einstain's brain cells to distinguish one product from another.

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After ebay and PayPal costs? Or before?

It was a local cash on collection, listing canceled. It was 7 days listing, got deal on the second day and all done. I knew it would have been to late if i left it, that's the benefit of following the rumers here i guess 🙂 iPad mini round the corner 🙂

 

[Anuba]

I do hope that this isn't the case.

As I just bought my iPad last month! I waited until they announced the iPhone 5 just in case if they mentioned anything about newer internals.

As they didn't, I decided to take the plunge. I so hope that they don't update. If they do, i'll be going to the Apple store and talking to the Manager.

HW

I also bought one a month ago. Why would I go back to the store and bother the manager because there's an updated one out? It's not like I've been misled. If you buy a hi-tech product that's been out for 6 months you should know it's not going to be the latest model for very long. What would you say?

- I want a word with the manager, please.
- Hi, I'm the store manager, can I help you?
- Yes. I bought this iPad last month.
- And?
- Well, now there's a new iPad out.
- And?
- Well, the new one is... better.
- And?
- The thing is I didn't know they'd be releasing a new one so soon.
- And?

 

[JesseW6889]

What is the benefit of the IGZO?

 

[guillemn]

What I think is going to happen from now is that Apple will release new iPad versions before christmans and not AFTER. Which I belive have sense.

So iPhones and iPads release time will be similar.

And obviously they could not expect to sell iPads with the old connection during all the christmas....

 

[thelead]

Does everyone feel the need to upgrade just for a charging cable and a few minor hardware tweaks? Apple and their shareholders must love you guys.

 

[Anuba]

What I think is going to happen from now is that Apple will release new iPad versions before christmans and not AFTER. Which I belive have sense.

So iPhones and iPads release time will be similar.

And obviously they could not expect to sell iPads with the old connection during all the christmas....

I dunno... I think they've scheduled the release pattern so that there will never be long periods of silence from Apple. iPad in March, iPhone in July, iPods in September. I think the reason why they're apparently preparing to carpet bomb the market with new products next week (iPad Mini, tweaked iPad 3, iMac, Mac Mini, MBP 13") is that Windows 8 and Surface are coming out and Apple wants to steal some thunder.

 

[iGrip]

Explain to me again why nobody thinks this "refresh" is actually the iPad 4? If you think about it releaseing the iPad 4 now makes a hell of a lot more sense then a refresh.

I cannot explain why nobody thinks this refresh is actually an iPad 4. That would be like explaining why nobody thinks that the earth is an oblate spheroid.

 

[kamalds]

And I *just* bought a new iPad... grrr.

The new iPad is the old iPad!

 

[WeegieMac]

Does your current model fulfill all your needs? Probably. Will the newer iPad have features that you must have right now? Doubtful. But let me guess, you will pay premium price again because your current model is "out dated". And six months from now you will be posting the same complaints again when a newer model is released. Talk about the ultimate slave to consumerism.

Am I hell buying another one so soon.

And AGAIN someone has managed to miss what I posted when I said what I knew the trolls would rush no point out. I KNOW my current model fulfills my needs and did when I bought it.

My issue is with a product being made redundant within six or seven months of its lifecycle. Your post is full of nothing more than egotistical, self centred, pass remarkable, and presumptous nonsense. "You will do this" and "You will do that".

Read what people post, have the intelligence to see the point being made, then reply. If you are incapable of such actions, do not waste your time or mine quoting and replying to me.

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If you can't see the value in a $500 tablet then there is nothing more that will convince you otherwise. It shouldn't matter when the product gets updated because it will eventually be updated at some point in time. Just stick with what you have that works well for you instead of trying to "keep up with the Jones'" I understand the nature of wanting the best perceived value but that idea doesn't work very well for tech products.

The value is there if the device gets its true lifecycle.

And while I love America, you are not the centre of the universe.

It's not a $500 tablet I'm on, it's a £649 tablet.

 

[iGrip]

obsolete. do you even know what the word means?

ob·so·lete/ˌäbsəˈlēt/

Verb:
Cause (a product or idea) to be or become obsolete by replacing it with something new: "we're obsoleting last year's designs".
Synonyms:
antiquated - out-of-date - outdated - old-fashioned

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Why would I want a full size iPad today with an outdated connector when I know the next iPad will have the new one? Once the connector is updated I will buy that iPad.

If you wait and wait for the next model, you will never buy anything.

Your best bet is to always buy whatever Apple is currently selling, and then to buy the next model when it first comes out.

Believe me, it is always magical to own Apple products!

 

[Carouser]

Read what people post, have the intelligence to see the point being made, then reply. If you are incapable of such actions, do not waste your time or mine quoting and replying to me.

Most people have done that with their posts, and it's what I'm doing now:

At the point of sale, you should be deciding whether what you are buying is worth the money you are exchanging for it, even with the possibility that newer products can come out tomorrow or in ten years.

If you feel that newer iPads, on their current release schedule, damage the value of your previous purchase so badly, the obligation is on you to not buy those products (since their value is so precarious), not on Apple to stop selling. Just because you feel bad doesn't mean Apple is doing anything wrong.

Appeals to 'premium price' don't hold any water because 'premium price' is subjective. Apple never said "If you pay this price, which we have presented as a premium price, then we will delay product releases as you see fit". It's a silly inference to make.

Appeals to 'true lifecycle' don't get you anywhere either. How do you know what the 'true' lifecycle is (as opposed to a 'false' lifecycle)? How does the new release change what you bought?

Why is £649 a price which entitles you to your grievance and $500 isn't? At which price does it flip from 'normal price' to 'premium price'?

 

[Saladinos]

Switching to lightning connector makes sense in the iPad, that way their whole (most) mobile line can switch to lightning in the same year. Improved interior would be nice, does it still over heat with the retina display?

Not to me - to me it's nonsensical that it didn't launch with it.

I know there are going to be people tripping over themselves to defend Apple here; "still works to the specs you bought" and all the usual lines.

Still, as a recent iPad 3 customer, I don't like it. This is going to permanently affect my judgement to buy an Apple product in the future. Early obsolescence just made the original iPad 3 a failed product.

 

[WeegieMac]

I cannot explain why nobody thinks this refresh is actually an iPad 4. That would be like explaining why nobody thinks that the earth is an oblate spheroid.

Yup, it's obvious that the new iPad was merely a deviation from the path, an iPad 2 with Retina Display. It won't be iPad 4 on the 23rd, it'll be the true iPad 3.

The Surface has forced Apple on one hand to shorten the time between the refreshes but it has also given them an opportunity and excuse to move the iPad onto a Fall cycle as opposed to missing the festive period sales rush with a new device.

 

[spcdust]

I have the "iPad 3", and really I do not give two hoots if the iPad gets a refresh next week. I purchased this iPad on launch day so have had close on 8 months of use before a revised one hits the stores. The processor and GPU are plenty powerful enough for a tablet (for power I have an i7 iMac) and this will be fine for my needs for the next couple of years.

People need to stop fretting about this refresh, which I suspect will be the lightning connector and 4G only with an outside chance of Sharp display and improvement of battery. Technology moves on but actually having the fastest processor etc. is not why people buy Apple products - most users really don't care. People are buying into the Apple Eco system, OS, ease of use, huge library of Apps etc.

This whole sense of perceived betrayal that some have that their iPad is not the latest one for a full 12 months is quite frankly rather bizarre.

 

[WeegieMac]

Most people have done that with their posts, and it's what I'm doing now:

At the point of sale, you should be deciding whether what you are buying is worth the money you are exchanging for it, even with the possibility that newer products can come out tomorrow or in ten years.

If you feel that newer iPads, on their current release schedule, damage the value of your previous purchase so badly, the obligation is on you to not buy those products (since their value is so precarious), not on Apple to stop selling. Just because you feel bad doesn't mean Apple is doing anything wrong.

Appeals to 'premium price' don't hold any water because 'premium price' is subjective. Apple never said "If you pay this price, which we have presented as a premium price, then we will delay product releases as you see fit". It's a silly inference to make.

Appeals to 'true lifecycle' don't get you anywhere either. How do you know what the 'true' lifecycle is (as opposed to a 'false' lifecycle)? How does the new release change what you bought?

Why is £649 a price which entitles you to your grievance and $500 isn't? At which price does it flip from 'normal price' to 'premium price'?

I bought a device expecting it to be the focus of developer attention on the iPad platform for 12 months. As an avid iOS gamer, I was looking forward to the top titles but if an A6 enabled iPad 3 comes next week so soon in the new iPad lifecycle, my device is going to become obsolete pretty quick in terms of pushing top games.

Yes, it does what I paid for it to do six months ago. I expected to get 12 months of "top device" developer support via apps, but my device is being superseded far, far too soon if it does indeed get replaced by a new higher spec iPad so soon into its lifecycle.

And the price being mentioned was nothing to do with entitlement. I don't use dollars, and my iPad didn't cost me 500 of them.

 

[Saladinos]

At the point of sale, you should be deciding whether what you are buying is worth the money you are exchanging for it, even with the possibility that newer products can come out tomorrow or in ten years.

If you feel that newer iPads, on their current release schedule, damage the value of your previous purchase so badly, the obligation is on you to not buy those products (since their value is so precarious), not on Apple to stop selling. Just because you feel bad doesn't mean Apple is doing anything wrong.

Appeals to 'premium price' don't hold any water because 'premium price' is subjective. Apple never said "If you pay this price, which we have presented as a premium price, then we will delay product releases as you see fit". It's a silly inference to make.

Wrong. When Apple launches a new product, they make it clear that this is the best product they can design and build.

Obviously they lied to us - it was possible to build an iPad 3 that was LTE-capable in the UK, with the new dock connector and even the newer processor. Things like the IGZO screen don't really change the specs of the product, and nobody has a problem with them improving in that way.

What about that new dock connector, though? How about if some really cool lightning-only accessories come out next year? Our 7-month old iPads would be obsoleted out of support. That's unacceptable. Full stop.

No matter what kind of twisted rationale you come up with, plenty of us who bought an iPad 3 are feeling hard-done by. Either we've all got emotional disorders, or we're rightly feeling that the value Apple proposed to us was a cynical half-truth.

It's going to hurt their relationship with their customers (like me).

TBH, Apple already starting rubbing me the wrong way when my iPad 1 didn't get iOS6 (making it incompatible with apps that use any new APIs from there). I'm just seeing the same thing happening here. iPads are a waste of money. Avoid them.

 

[WeegieMac]

I have the "iPad 3", and really I do not give two hoots if the iPad gets a refresh next week. I purchased this iPad on launch day so have had close on 8 months of use before a revised one hits the stores. The processor and GPU are plenty powerful enough for a tablet (for power I have an i7 iMac) and this will be fine for my needs for the next couple of years.

People need to stop fretting about this refresh, which I suspect will be the lightning connector and 4G only with an outside chance of Sharp display and improvement of battery. Technology moves on but actually having the fastest processor etc. is not why people buy Apple products - most users really don't care. People are buying into the Apple Eco system, OS, ease of use, huge library of Apps etc.

This whole sense of perceived betrayal that some have that their iPad is not the latest one for a full 12 months is quite frankly rather bizarre.

Betrayal? Touch over the top.

Annoyed at a product being phased out so soon into its lifecycle? Rightly so.

 

[whoknows87]

$800+ for an iPad 😱😱😱😱

 

[WeegieMac]

Wrong. When Apple launches a new product, they make it clear that this is the best product they can design and build.

Obviously they lied to us - it was possible to build an iPad 3 that was LTE-capable in the UK, with the new dock connector and even the newer processor. Things like the IGZO screen don't really change the specs of the product, and nobody has a problem with them improving in that way.

What about that new dock connector, though? How about if some really cool lightning-only accessories come out next year? Our 7-month old iPads would be obsoleted out of support. That's unacceptable. Full stop.

No matter what kind of twisted rationale you come up with, plenty of us who bought an iPad 3 are feeling hard-done by. Either we've all got emotional disorders, or we're rightly feeling that the value Apple proposed to us was a cynical half-truth.

It's going to hurt their relationship with their customers (like me).

Thank you.

 

[Carouser]

I bought a device expecting it to be the focus of developer attention on the iPad platform for 12 months. As an avid iOS gamer, I was looking forward to the top titles but if an A6 enabled iPad 3 comes next week so soon in the new iPad lifecycle, my device is going to become obsolete pretty quick in terms of pushing top games.

Yes, it does what I paid for it to do six months ago. I expected to get 12 months of "top device" developer support via apps, but my device is being superseded far, far too soon if it does indeed get replaced by a new higher spec iPad so soon into its lifecycle.

So? Your expectation was your fault, not Apple's. They didn't break any promise to you. You have every right to be upset, but not any reason to think Apple did something wrong.

When Apple launches a new product, they make it clear that this is the best product they can design and build.

It probably is, given all the constraints under which they operate (beating competitors to market, long-term solvency, supply issues, timing demand, component margins, mindshare, etc.).

What about that new dock connector, though? How about if some really cool lightning-only accessories come out next year? Our 7-month old iPads would be obsoleted out of support. That's unacceptable. Full stop.

Then don't accept it. Apple's under no obligation to change what they are doing, there's no rule book saying "The person who bought this product is entitled to their bizarre misunderstanding of what they are actually paying for".

No matter what kind of twisted rationale you come up with, plenty of us who bought an iPad 3 are feeling hard-done by. Either we've all got emotional disorders, or we're rightly feeling that the value Apple proposed to us was a cynical half-truth.

No, you just didn't understand what you were exchanging money for.