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Honestly though Mastodon is better without these people on it. All the naysayers posting about what a rip off this app is, how Mastodon is a failure, and all that stuff are much better off quarantined on Twitter. It doesn't seem to matter what the platform is whether it's a web forum, a Facebook group, a subreddit, you name it, they all go through the same curve:

Was thinking the same thing myself. They're happy, we're happy.
 
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I don’t think Elon has to worry.

Mastodon is a hugbox just like Truth Social or Parler. I’m aware of the “oh it’s federated and totally unique!” argument, but in practice it’s just for people to create their own little ideological ghettos where nothing that challenges them is allowed.
It is really fun to watch people who clearly have no idea how a technology works, describe it like they do......
 
Honestly though Mastodon is better without these people on it. All the naysayers posting about what a rip off this app is, how Mastodon is a failure, and all that stuff are much better off quarantined on Twitter. It doesn't seem to matter what the platform is whether it's a web forum, a Facebook group, a subreddit, you name it, they all go through the same curve:

They start small, and are extremely fun because everyone vibes the same way... then they grow a bit more and start to have problems with trolls or people just joining because it's popular that otherwise don't really fit into the "culture" of the group / platform they're joining that begin to cause conflict. The small community that started the platform eventually just get tired of dealing with these people, then quit posting, and then pretty much nothing that you liked about the community remains.

To some extent, you even see this has happened on this very forum.

Right now Twitter is acting as an incredible firewall to keep that from happening on Mastodon. Elon has embraced and enabled the people that made Twitter awful to use, and Mastodon is much better off if they stay there. Mastodon can be a wildly successful platform with its existing userbase. One could argue it has been successful for years, particularly if your metric for success is the enjoyment you get out of it as a user and the quality of interaction you have with people on it.

Convincing the people you're trying to convince to give Mastodon a shot will objectively make that worse.
It's not really the size of the community but the freshness of connecting with like-minded others that gives people the initial dopamine hit. Eventually, most people get on the hedonic treadmill and get used to the new baseline. You can still form your small community around a web forum, a Facebook group, or a subreddit. Maybe it surprises you, but people have been doing that, to this day.

I'm not sure what Elon has 'embraced' or 'enabled' that has made Twitter worse than before he took over. It has always been a public forum where anyone can subscribe to everyone else. Nobody ever said that free speech isn't messy or that dissenting opinions are comfortable to hear. You probably just don't like Elon the person and are probably just romanticizing a new platform that does the same old thing.
 
It's not really the size of the community but the freshness of connecting with like-minded others that gives people the initial dopamine hit. Eventually, most people get on the hedonic treadmill and get used to the new baseline. You can still form your small community around a web forum, a Facebook group, or a subreddit. Maybe it surprises you, but people have been doing that, to this day.

I'm not sure what Elon has 'embraced' or 'enabled' that has made Twitter worse than before he took over. It has always been a public forum where anyone can subscribe to everyone else. Nobody ever said that free speech isn't messy or that dissenting opinions are comfortable to hear. You probably just don't like Elon the person and are probably just romanticizing a new platform that does the same old thing.
I think most people use social platforms to talk to friends and people who share similar interests. I have no desire to engage with the free speech warriors who feel it is appropriate behavior to interject into literally everything to tell you their dissenting opinions.

I know some people love getting blown up by random strangers over something innocuous, Twitter is an excellent place for that, and Mastodon will be better off if the people into that behavior remain quarantined there. The less effort folks put into convincing this type of Twitter user to try out Mastodon the better.

Again, like MisterSavage said a few posts up: You're happy, we're happy. Stay on Twitter.
 
All the people dunking on Mastodon confuse me because...they aren't using or have no need for it.

The platform may look kinda like Twitter but it functions nothing like it. Instead of putting all these people into one big conglomerate bucket, users can CHOOSE which places focusing on their niches that they want to be in, while still being able to interact with all the other instances. There's more freedom for the user in this case and I just think not a lot of Twitter users are used to that.
 
I think most people use social platforms to talk to friends and people who share similar interests. I have no desire to engage with the free speech warriors who feel it is appropriate behavior to interject into literally everything to tell you their dissenting opinions.

I know some people love getting blown up by random strangers over something innocuous, Twitter is an excellent place for that, and Mastodon will be better off if the people into that behavior remain quarantined there. The less effort folks put into convincing this type of Twitter user to try out Mastodon the better.

Again, like MisterSavage said a few posts up: You're happy, we're happy. Stay on Twitter.
Then why are you here voicing your dissenting opinions to random strangers then?

This is just too funny. 😂

You literally embody the very thing you say you don't like and are oblivious to it.
 
Yes, I’ve have some apps like that. That’s fine. I always go for the one-time fee.
Did that too until a few apps were killed off or sold. Now I don't pay for anything to anyone unless I really really really have no choice. So I pay for Airmail. 😂
 
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Then why are you here voicing your dissenting opinions to random strangers then?

This is just too funny. 😂

You literally embody the very thing you say you don't like and are oblivious to it.
Well the unfortunate thing is the MacRumors forums used to be a place for people to be excited about new apps, platforms, and similar before it was taken over by dominant voices mad about everything. Excitement surrounding these things didn't used to be dissenting opinions. You have to enjoy platforms while they exist in this sweet spot, which is where Mastodon is right now.
 
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Yikes! Must have been pretty bad to have banned you, whatever it was you posted.. Maybe keep it under your hat 😆
Maybe not all that. In the speedrun of “get banned”, all you have to do is go to the TOS and craft your first post such that it runs afoul of as many of those as possible. :) If the goal is “get banned so that I can tout how I got banned”? That’s super easy, barely an inconvenience!
 
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In the days before the App Store, developers charged much higher prices for most programs (e.g. $50+, not $5), and every year or two they came out with a major new version and the upgrade cost a substantial portion of the original purchase price. For really good apps, that I'm going to use a lot, I have no qualms paying for a subscription for an app. What I don't have time for is the "subscription for subscription's sake because the VC that funded development likes money" that goes on with some apps that are not really good. Ivory qualifies as really good, to me.

The opening of the App Store sparked something of a gold rush, to get apps into the store to sell to an easily reachable market of millions of customers, and then we got a race to the bottom, as some developers decided to compete on price instead of quality, driving away some of the better apps for ones more pedestrian, or even mediocre. And in the process, the public got the mistaken idea that software was only worth $3 or 99 cents, and got angry when prices were any higher.

So... I prefer one-time purchase prices on things rather than subscriptions, but I'll go with a subscription if I find the app especially useful (and in some cases, I'll go for the "lifetime unlock" for really great apps, if one is offered, like with Apollo).
Great post. I also remember software used to have much higher prices.
 
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What makes Ivory so much better than something like Ice Cubes? It’s another subscription vs free (or tip the guy if you’re nice). I’m thinking there’s a little hero worship going on here just because it’s tapbots. I tried both, and don’t see a lot of difference for the money.

For me, the user interface of Ivory is better than other apps I’ve tried. For example the scrolling is very smooth, whereas some other apps are really jerky. Ivory also displays images sharp and uncropped (a thing that many other apps don’t to my surprise, sometimes only if you tab on an image). And then there is the already excellent working timeline sync.

IceCubes is also a good app and has more functionality at the moment. Bit for me Ivory feels more polished.
 
For me, the user interface of Ivory is better than other apps I’ve tried. For example the scrolling is very smooth, whereas some other apps are really jerky. Ivory also displays images sharp and uncropped (a thing that many other apps don’t to my surprise, sometimes only if you tab on an image). And then there is the already excellent working timeline sync.

IceCubes is also a good app and has more functionality at the moment. Bit for me Ivory feels more polished.

Agreed. I'm actually bouncing between the two of them.
 
There were several new Mastodon clients released around the same time Ivory was released. Ice Cubes and Tusker come to mind. I happily support them all and ask that you do the same!
 
Mastadon is too complicated. It won't even let me create an account on the same server as MacRumors. Back in the autumn I had created one on some other server.

To be clear, I'm not saying it's too complicated for me. As a UX designer, I'm saying it's too complicated for mass adoption. People don't want to dork around with nerd crap like making accounts on different servers. Until they come up with a better solution to that, I don't see it gaining mass adoption. I hope it's successful.

I agree. I think the way users need to interact with Mastodon as a whole is clunky and user-unfriendly. Yes, I get the idea behind the whole federated business, but the front-end of the experience (what the user gets to see) is really convoluted. It's like the user interface is being driven by the behind-the-scene engineering decisions. Shouldn't be that way.

A simple point: I remember what my user handle (technically the front part of the user handle) is on Mastodon but I do not remember what server it is under. For example, is it @msak@mas.to or is it @msak@lgbt.mas or whatever? I don't recall! I always have to look up in my password manager. I do remember it's @msak something though.**

Overall, a very clunky, unfriendly, and overly geeky experience for the general population (even for myself even though I see myself as a bit of a tech geek).

** All user handles here are hypotheticals.
 
A simple point: I remember what my user handle (technically the front part of the user handle) is on Mastodon but I do not remember what server it is under. For example, is it @msak@mas.to or is it @msak@lgbt.mas or whatever? I don't recall! I always have to look up in my password manager. I do remember it's @msak something though.**

But once you sign into your account on Ivory (or whatever app) you don't have remember that. If you're using a web browser you could just create a bookmark to your server and again you don't have to remember that. You just browse your timeline and interact with posts. The number of times I have to care what server I'm on as a daily user is almost zero.
 
But once you sign into your account on Ivory (or whatever app) you don't have remember that. If you're using a web browser you could just create a bookmark to your server and again you don't have to remember that. You just browse your timeline and interact with posts. The number of times I have to care what server I'm on as a daily user is almost zero.
Yes, like any website, once you log on you don't necessarily have to re-logon. The problem is when communicating to users outside of the universe and telling them what my handle is on Mastodon.

I can remember my Twitter handle quite easily even though I rarely use Twitter. I still can't for Mastodon and I have actually 2 registrations with 2 different Mastodon servers.
 
Why do you have to create accounts on different servers? A user can follow people from all federate servers.
My understanding is that it is sometimes easier to connect or find trending topics that way. For example, when I first registered, I registered using the Mas.to server. Later on, a friend introduced me to a server catered to folks in the area I'm living in and suggested that connecting directly from that server will also make locally relevant users and activities more easily discoverable, so I also created a user handle from that locally-oriented server.

The point, as I understand, isn't that you can't connect to other users across different federated servers. The point is discoverability.
 
Yes, like any website, once you log on you don't necessarily have to re-logon. The problem is when communicating to users outside of the universe and telling them what my handle is on Mastodon.

I can remember my Twitter handle quite easily even though I rarely use Twitter. I still can't for Mastodon and I have actually 2 registrations with 2 different Mastodon servers.

Ah, I see. You technically don't need to know the second part (the server) to find people. In a search field you can put "happyguy" and it would show you all of the users on all servers that have that username. Hopefully that would be enough to find you.

My understanding is that it is sometimes easier to connect or find trending topics that way. For example, when I first registered, I registered using the Mas.to server. Later on, a friend introduced me to a server catered to folks in the area I'm living in and suggested that connecting directly from that server will also make locally relevant users and activities more easily discoverable, so I also created a user handle from that locally-oriented server.

The point, as I understand, isn't that you can't connect to other users across different federated servers. The point is discoverability.

That's actually the hard way to do things. You definitely don't need two accounts. First, you can absolutely follow and interact with people that are not on your server. Once you follow them they'll show up in your timeline and you can like or reply to posts just as if they were on your local server. And for discoverability the Ice Cubes app lets you create a list of servers where you can view their local timelines. You can view/reply/like posts on them. Ivory doesn't support this yet.
 
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