So true. Maybe next time these people might want to create a business that doesn't depend on the goodwill of another company they have no connection with, and who can end your company at a moment's, or no, notice. That said, advance notice would have been super nice. if not legally required.
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Twitter Officially Bans All Third-Party Apps [Update]
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Apple has changed their own APIs, Twitter has changed their APIs before as well, that is the nature of online services. Do you have proof of said contracts or were they just terms of service? One can be argued, the other can be altered without consent.
How is it fundamentally different? Both supported (mostly) by ads to display user generated content. What am I missing here?
Another example of Musk being a genius tech guy and a clueless 'person' guy. Even after all this, he still think Twitter is a tech company and it's NOT. It USES tech to create PERSONAL interactions. When you're dealing with PEOPLE you cannot "science" your way to something the way you can do with, say, rocket engines or battery chemistry.
This is a perfect example. Instead of saying that the API is GOING to go away and be replaced with something else that will support ads (since that's what Twitter's income is from), the tech guy just cuts it off without warning, not considering what this does to PEOPLE.
When Elon steps away from personally handling day-to-day runnings of Twitter and gets more into the "bug picture" and "guidance" role like he does at Tesla and SpaceX, things will improve. But, until then, it only seems like it's going to get worse. Gwynn Shotwell does a great job at SpaceX. When you see the people that Musk brings up on stage at Tesla's public presentations, you can see that each and every one of them is a better "people person" than Musk is.
Musk's statements and predictions about the future success of Twitter are only going to come true if he gets out of his own way.
This is a perfect example. Instead of saying that the API is GOING to go away and be replaced with something else that will support ads (since that's what Twitter's income is from), the tech guy just cuts it off without warning, not considering what this does to PEOPLE.
When Elon steps away from personally handling day-to-day runnings of Twitter and gets more into the "bug picture" and "guidance" role like he does at Tesla and SpaceX, things will improve. But, until then, it only seems like it's going to get worse. Gwynn Shotwell does a great job at SpaceX. When you see the people that Musk brings up on stage at Tesla's public presentations, you can see that each and every one of them is a better "people person" than Musk is.
Musk's statements and predictions about the future success of Twitter are only going to come true if he gets out of his own way.
There are a lot of irrational arguments and "facts" on here right now. It's actually extremely entertaining. The world on the brink of nuclear war, global recession looming, Covid-19: The Next Generation may explode on the scene at any time but having to use that icky Twitter client or web interface and suddenly things are OUT OF HAND!!! Twitter has always been a sewer and this thread is exhibit A. Time for more popcorn...
Yeah, they kissed an opportunity to make money from the 3rd party apps though. So f they just enforced a new policy that everyone had to have Twitter blue to use it they would have been able to get $$ they normally wouldn’t have been able to get. Really bad miss by Elon on this one.
The should and shouldn't comes from societal and cultural practices, even though they are not in the legal frame.
I'm not denying that with enough money one often gets away with doing what one wants. That's not the framing here though. The framing is whether it ought to be so.
Suspect that's just another nail in the coffin of Twitter; their App is awful, have always used Twitterific,,,,,,
I’ve been using Fenix as well. As a long time Tweetbot user I have to say it’s pretty decent. Not sure how much longer it will be active though. I downloaded the official Twitter app but couldn’t take it after like 10 minutes lol
I don't know enough about the legal realm in this regard, but is there any grounds for suing at all? It's not that having an API open to other developers is a requirement. It's the fact that it was just snatched away without warning when this API has existed for at least a decade or more. So I agree, why not give people notice at the VERY least, and that notice needs to be a LONG period, maybe even a year so that developers can re-do their business etc.
I can’t bring myself to cancel the subscription yet. It expires on Feb 20th… I’m going to wait until Feb 19th to cancel it…. I’m holding out hope that they can work something out. Twitter is where it get all of my sports, tech and financial updates so I can’t quit it… but man does the official app really suck
Absolutely: https://developer.twitter.com/
It's how major organizations (like the one I work for) submit tweets. As an example, when CNN (or any news organization) posts a tweet, they aren't using twitter.com or the Twitter app (and certainly not a 3rd party app), they submit programmatically using api.twitter.com. Now I can't say for certain Elon wouldn't be insane enough to shut this vital method of posting tweets down, but it is EXTREMELY unlikely. It's where most posts on the site originate from.
Nope, that’s incorrect - third party Devs have always paid Twitter for use of their API.
Seen that suggestion a lot, but were a lot of people really prepared to pay $8 a month ontop of a subscription to a third party app? I’m sure a bunch would, but there was also a lot of users that dropped Tweetbot when they introduced a very low $6 a year (not month) subscription. As a third party developer that also seems like a precarious arrangement…where any future variations in Twitters pricing will have immediate negative impacts on your own subscription base. Day one Musk was looking at $20 a month before coming down to $8 and given the current volatility I wouldn’t bank on pricing not moving. I think Twitters annoyed enough people that would in turn avoid sending money direct to Twitter in that manner.
Personally I think a cleaner way to monetise the third parties would be to either enforce ads in the API feeds (don’t like this as an end user) or charge the third parties per a user and have that baked into the apps subscription cost, which while increasing costs does have the benefit of it being a single subscription. That’s assuming cost for access remains reasonable which again right now isn’t a given under Musk. At least that way customer relationships remain with the app developers but.
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Ha. I'm only still an Apple product user today because they're the least bad option of all available. "Nice" is relative.
And this is how Musk will eventually kill Twitter for good, ridding the world of the most toxic and damaging platform in human history
The guy put himself out there and acted (acts) like a childish loser and a stunning jackass. No one needed to FIND a person to hate. He offered himself up for hate by behaving in a way that reasonable people will find hate-worthy.
Your framing of it is as if there's some cabal of organized "haters" looking for a new target at every moment seems weird, but it actually exists in a certain context... which I'd get smacked for specifying in this thread, if it's not in the "political" forum (haven't checked). Hint: it's not Elon's current detractors.
There's an actual process of cause and effect going on where Elon Musk does stupid, ridiculous, and/or offensive things and then people bash him for them. The reaction to him has gotten stronger the more stupid, ridiculous, and offensive he has behaved. Cause and effect. The bashing doesn't come from nothing.
This can't possibly be a sincere question, can it? If you're not part of the thousands of users of Twitter, that's fine, but they still exist and it's pretty obvious they do.
That might be true, but twitter probably weren't earning much money from those users anyways and have to spend resources building APIs on top of that. Also, people who care enough to use twitter on a better third party app are probably heavy users who will just move to the official apps anyways.
Their APIs are not free to use so twitter still earns money from these apps, but it's likely very insignificant compared to their ad business.
I posted a 10s video from my PS5 a couple days ago. After about 5 minutes and not seeing the post on my Twitter profile, I started to wonder if the APIs for sharing had been shut off. A few minutes later the post showed up. So it might’ve just been a non-performant service issue, but it’s wild to be unable to know if it was Twitter being dicks or dumb.
Ha. He's trying to be the beneficiary of whatever money goes through it, regardless of whether it's making an actual profit or not, while also engaging in social engineering and ego-gratification.
Reeder still works, though that‘s probably because you can’t tweet or interact with tweets there. If that stops working too I’ll have to delete my account again. Shame, I actually liked Elon Musk’s improvements to Twitter until the lead-up to this (removing the client label from tweets)
Why didn’t he make the API a Twitter Blue exclusive feature? That would have been a lot smarter. Like people above already said, who wants to pay a subscription for such bad software? Same goes for YouTube Premium.
Why didn’t he make the API a Twitter Blue exclusive feature? That would have been a lot smarter. Like people above already said, who wants to pay a subscription for such bad software? Same goes for YouTube Premium.