U.K. Surveillance Powers Are 'Illegal', Rules E.U.'s Highest Court

[NT1440]

That's just not true. It might be the case for some city centres, but not elsewhere.
Also, those CCTV networks are not joined up - the majority of them are private, and only small scale.

LOL.

The GCHQ is definitely tapped into those. They work hand in glove with the NSA, and the NSA has tapped just about every major transmission line on the planet.

I'm not saying we've got some stooge watching you on a screen everyday, but it should just be treated as plain fact that the world is bugged now.

 

[Mr Fusion]

Sometimes I f**king hate this stupid country and it's ridiculous government. I didn't vote for Brexit and I didn't vote for Theresa May...what part of this is democracy?

I understand how you feel. But I think your anger and frustration is more related to the fact we're living in a populace of whom the majority vote like a retard. Brexit, Cheeto Benito, all this Nationalist nonsense wouldn't happen with an educated electorate. Democracy doesn't work when people are this dumb.

We've now spent at least a generation in most parts of the Western world hating on government. Because of it, no one with half a brain would dare enter politics. As the saying goes, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.”

 

[niun]

I suppose the bigger question - this being Mac Rumours an all - will Apple use this to bump the price of Apple products by another £200?

 

[sim667]

We did manage to swap unelected officials in Brussels for an unelected official in our own country so... Progress?

We elected our EU representatives.

We just happened to elect a bunch of UKIP MEP's so its no wonder they weren't taken seriously.

Brits are very good at cutting their noses off to spite their faces.
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Brexit was a referendum, and the majority vote was to leave. This was a democratic vote.

Democracy in the UK has never been based on referendums.

The 2015 General Election was won by the Conservatives, headed by David Cameron. This was a democratic vote. Cameron stood down as leader and May took over.

Theresa May was't elected..... thats the point, nor was she elected by her own party.

 

[fourthtunz]

Sometimes I f**king hate this stupid country and it's ridiculous government. I didn't vote for Brexit and I didn't vote for Theresa May...what part of this is democracy?

We you complain about our democracy here in the US you get plenty of the deniers that shout you down, that its not a democracy, that the US is a republic. This of course is supposed to suave all manner of injustices, like the one we just had with the electoral college voting in trump. Our governments have run amuck!
Anything we can do to put the brakes on these governmental power grabs is a step in the right direction.

 

[Reason077]

Heavy-handed bureaucracy and red-tape like this is exactly why Britain chose to leave the European Union.

If we choose to live in a surveillance state then we shall damn well do so, without interference from Brussels. British surveillance of British people by British spooks working for British politicians.

 

[nnoble]

Erm the former? I didn't vote for brexit either, but to call brexit undemocratic is slightly moronic. A free democratic vote was carried out and the leavers won?

Yes. One major problem afflicting the two big cheerleaders of 'democracy' (USA and UK) is that some voters don't get it when their lot don't win. I personally voted remain but I was part of an electorate that voted out. That's not undemocratic, that's how it works in the UK.

 

[Leonard1818]

They look like bookshelves. Bookshelves that could fall over and "domino" each other.

That's all I have to contribute here.

 

[Billberryjuice]

soon

:roll on floor laughing emote:

 

[CarpalMac]

What did you vote for exactly?

£350 million a week going to the NHS?
Border Control?
Not having to pay any cash to the EU?
A few less immigrants taking all the jobs that nobody wanted to do in the first place?

All of that was complete bollox.

Whereas the remain campaign was based on pure truth and gospel? So far the remain campaign with its emergency budget, collapsed stock market and record unemployment is the only one that meets your description.

Will things change later on? Time will tell. Despite despising the petulant, unelected Juncker, I voted remain as better the devil you know.

But brexit it is, and unlike the vocal remoaners who give the rest of us a bad name (I mean those who want democracy right up until the moment it doesn't go their way then suddenly demand autocracy) I accept the vote and just want what is best now for the country.

 

[GadgetBen]

The government should just create an EU zone around Greater London and allow London to remain apart of the EU.

 

[TPadden]

I understand how you feel..... nonsense wouldn't happen with an educated electorate. Democracy doesn't work when people are this dumb.

You wrongly equate intelligence with education, everyone who disagrees is dumb!

 

[niun]

Whereas the remain campaign was based on pure truth and gospel? So far the remain campaign with its emergency budget, collapsed stock market and record unemployment is the only one that meets your description.

Will things change later on? Time will tell. Despite despising the petulant, unelected Juncker, I voted remain as better the devil you know.

But brexit it is, and unlike the vocal remoaners who give the rest of us a bad name (I mean those who want democracy right up until the moment it doesn't go their way then suddenly demand autocracy) I accept the vote and just want what is best now for the country.

Both sides were bollox. It was an incredible mess of scare tactics and lies. How a vote ever came out of that is still puzzling.

Time will tell on this. People keep saying, "Oh Brexit was fine". The economy didn't tank, things are going well etc..
It's not even started yet! We don't even have an idea of what kind of Brexit will happen.

I hope things go well but we have a totally clueless bunch "running" the country and they really do not inspire confidence.

 

[the8thark]

Sometimes I f**king hate this stupid country and it's ridiculous government. I didn't vote for Brexit and I didn't vote for Theresa May...what part of this is democracy?

You never vote for your PM though, only your local MP.

 

[CarpalMac]

I understand how you feel. But I think your anger and frustration is more related to the fact we're living in a populace of whom the majority vote like a retard. Brexit, Cheeto Benito, all this Nationalist nonsense wouldn't happen with an educated electorate. Democracy doesn't work when people are this dumb.

We've now spent at least a generation in most parts of the Western world hating on government. Because of it, no one with half a brain would dare enter politics. As the saying goes, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.”

Could you be any more arrogant? Jeez.
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Both sides were bollox. It was an incredible mess of scare tactics and lies. How a vote ever came out of that is still puzzling.

Time will tell on this. People keep saying, "Oh Brexit was fine". The economy didn't tank, things are going well etc..
It's not even started yet!

Thanks for putting that in bold, There was I thinking it was all over.

 

[niun]

Thanks for putting that in bold, There was I thinking it was all over.

Sorry. it came from a place of pure frustration about the whole Brexit issue.

 

[Elijahg]

Never. Our voice will be heard during the negotiations on Brexit, and afterwards. Just like the Brexiters, so get used to it....

Except you're not a British citizen, so your voice is completely irrelevant.

The purpose of a VPN is to extend a private network over the Internet. It has nothing to do with privacy. Businesses and organisations use them to give employees and other people remote access to their internal network. That is what VPN protocols are supposed to facilitate and protect. What happens to Internet traffic within that private network is a matter of policy, e.g. whether logs are kept is a discretional choice of the provider. VPNs are actually being ‘misused’ to conceal traffic from local network providers, but it has to surface somewhere

They absolutely do have much to do with privacy. VPNs are to conceal data between two endpoints. By your metric you could say Ethernet is being used incorrectly when people use Power over Ethernet gear. Using VPNs to conceal data from ISPs and government is exactly what they were designed for, to protect data from snooping by a third party.

In any case, you're still connecting two networks together by using a VPN, your Mac's localhost networks and the VPN

Sometimes I f**king hate this stupid country and it's ridiculous government. I didn't vote for Brexit and I didn't vote for Theresa May...what part of this is democracy?

Think you'll find you're the stupid one who doesn't know how UK democracy works. Cameron actually got very few of the total number of votes, as only his local constituents could vote for him. May got a similar number of votes in the last election to Cameron. When you're voting, you vote for your local MP to represent you in parliament, you do not vote for the leader of a particular party, unless they are your MP.

I understand how you feel. But I think your anger and frustration is more related to the fact we're living in a populace of whom the majority vote like a retard. Brexit, Cheeto Benito, all this Nationalist nonsense wouldn't happen with an educated electorate. Democracy doesn't work when people are this dumb.

We've now spent at least a generation in most parts of the Western world hating on government. Because of it, no one with half a brain would dare enter politics. As the saying goes, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.”

Oh dear, someone's a sore remoaner! Perhaps you'd like another vote?

 

[niun]

Oh dear, someone's a sore remoaner! Perhaps you'd like another vote?

Had it gone the other way and been as close as it was, I wonder how the Leavers would be reacting?

 

[simonmet]

In response to the CCTV argument, here is the basic rebuttal: those cameras aren't in your home or looking in your windows. They are on public streets and businesses.

If not already, every individuals' movements will be tracked and logged with these cameras. High quality face scans for passport and licences coupled with extensive information the government already has on you such car registration and address is enough. If you ever visit a government branch that too can count as a reference point (the systems are linked). The technology is there.

I was once told by the government (in person at their branch) that I couldn't have a benefit because I wasn't in the country! Turns out a domestic flight went through an international gate instead of domestic. They fixed their mistake but it just goes to show how much of our lives are tracked now.

It's basically a war on the people at this point. My politics have trended towards anarchism as a result.

 

[NeilHD]

Brexit was a referendum, and the majority vote was to leave. This was a democratic vote.

The 2015 General Election was won by the Conservatives, headed by David Cameron. This was a democratic vote. Cameron stood down as leader and May took over.

What part of this isn't democracy? Or are you calling it un-democratic just because you didn't get the result you wanted?

The undemocractic part is where a campaign of lies and misinformation that garnered the vote of 37% of the electorate in an advisory and non-binding referendum is allowed to inflict massive damaging change on the 63% who didn't vote for Brexit.

 

[NoNothing]

Sometimes I f**king hate this stupid country and it's ridiculous government. I didn't vote for Brexit and I didn't vote for Theresa May...what part of this is democracy?

You voted. That part is democracy. The truth of democracy is you don't always get your way. That is the way of a spoiled 10 year kid.

 

[now i see it]

Well it's about time that everyone realizes that everything you look at, click on and type, whether in email or on the web is logged and stored forever.

We've all been warned. Use the Internet and email accordingly. Everything you do is under surveillance.

So what. The Internet isn't free. Use it judiciously.

 

[urbanlung]

Never mind, not long now and we can introduce it anyway once we've left the dictatorship EU.

With all the terrorists being harboured in the UK this is a good idea. No one moans about being filmed several times a day by CCTV.

No doubt the remoaners will complain.....

What are you on about.
Further this bill won't offer any more security because anyone with nefarious intentions can bypass it's effects. Only the most naive or cynical motives could have come up with this nonsese and my suspicion is that it perhaps started as naive and matured into cynicism. And please don't counter that you're not worried because you've nothing to hide. It's also a problem when our decision makers have something to hide because they are then ripe for blackmail.

 

[KALLT]

They absolutely do have much to do with privacy. VPNs are to conceal data between two endpoints. Enabling access to other networks via the VPN is one use of them, by your metric you could say Ethernet is beinUsing them to conceal data from ISPs and government is exactly what they were designed for, to protect data from snooping by a third party.

All right, I change my statement. However, using a VPN provider to conceal your Internet traffic from local ISPs and presumably authorities, still comes with a big caveat: the VPN provider themselves. There isn’t anything inherent to VPN that keeps your communication confidential once it reaches the virtual network, especially if the whole point of the connection is just to pass along the Internet traffic rather than using the internal network. Whether or not your traffic is intercepted or logs are recorded is not something that VPNs will protect you from by design. If you are living in the European Union, you would have to take a VPN provider outside of EU jurisdiction and then still hope that the EU-based authorities won’t be able to get to that traffic data through third parties. There is also the danger that when you use the same VPN provider all the time, you will be making it even easier to pinpoint your traffic to you. Finally, if you are still visiting websites that are based in your country, they can easily identify you regardless of your IP address if they have other information about you (e.g. account data).

VPNs should be considered carefully and they aren’t the silver bullet that some people portray them as. You are still basically entrusting a third party in another country with the confidentiality of your traffic and can only hope that to they keep their promise. It is not an unproblematic, permanent solution to something like the Snooper’s Charter.

 

[urbanlung]

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