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U.K. Surveillance Powers Are 'Illegal', Rules E.U.'s Highest Court
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Yes. This is what I mean. Dumb people making a decision they have no concept of, screwing the country up for the rest of us.
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The majority were uneducated morons. It was a stupid idea to believe the British public could be intelligent enough to make the right decision.
I never understand why people are so against this. If you're doing nothing wrong (and have nothing to hide) you have nothing to worry about. Same with CCTV. Is your life really that interesting?
Certainly confusing to me that the same people that voted for Brexit (liberty, independence and freedom as a country) would support mass data collection. Is that really what happened or is something mixed in my understanding?
Genuinely - please explain to this American what I am missing!
Do you have any evidence that the majority of leave voters are uneducated morons?
No, quelle surprise.
Wind your neck in JarScott you ignorant moron!!
That's precisely the root of the problem in this country. The self centred obsession with 'the city' and looking down your snooty noses on the rest of the country like we're all a bunch of uneducated peasants.
I personally voted remain, but I didn't half enjoy seeing you lot throwing your toys out of the pram.
didn't they do a study of voters after the vote and came to that conclusion? I'll have to check the records.
Not complete morons but the vast majority didn't have a real understanding of what they were voting for.
No, that is genuinely whats probably going to happen.
The reality is the vast majority of Brexit voters citing "sovereignty" as a reason to vote leave, couldn't actually name a single EU law that effected their everyday lives. By and large they voted for isolationism, not in their own interests, and their rhetoric largely fuelled by the right wing media and politicians furthering their careers citing what can only be described as lies, literally.... In response the Remainers decided to call everyone who disagreed with them stupid, jump to the worst possible conclusions about everything that may happen post Brexit and disenfranchise undecided voters.
Since the vote, Remainers may have lost, but at least they haven't felt entitled to turn to violence.
This summation is exactly why I hate the UK currently.
But your comrades did vote for brexit. Also, you vote for a party in England, not a leader, so that's redundant. Blame your comrades, not the country. England is beautiful.
A bit on the architecture: http://www.perraultarchitecture.com/en/projects/2463-court_of_justice_of_the_european_union.html
The part where you have a monarchy?
(I know how modern government works in Great Britain, it's just a joke
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From an outside perspective though, (one example) isn't the immigration and refugee situation with lack of assimilation becoming a big issue that is forced down each EU member's throat without recourse?
It just seems to me that each country is different and faces different challenges so the EU "prescribing" the same medicine across the board for all countries would not be a good thing. I would compare it to the US federal government passing blanket laws for all US states when really they should be handled by each individual state, as different states have completely different challenges.
From what I remember at the time the vast majority were swayed by a logo on a bus and outright lies "promises" from the leave campaign. I remember the massive backlash the next morning when thousands of people expressed regret at their vote and stated they didn't fully understand what they were voting for.
Many more voted either as a joke, backlash and even believing that there was no way it could possibly happen.
I'm betting a lot of Remainer didn't vote for the same reason.
It was a joke of a referendum that is no longer funny.
Or are you saying that most Leave voters really investigated the issues and did a lot of research into the EU, laws etc... Because that would be true of any election.
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"The problem with this Country is....." It's worth calling Allan Beswick.My post was meant to be taken with light humour, seems though that there might be a bit of insecurity up there? I mean Manchester isn't great really is it?
I voted leave, so my toys were waived up in the air celebrating.
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You could also say they people not showing up to vote didn't care enough about the EU to vote to remain. You can't ascertain the intention of people with a magic want. If they didn't vote, their desires truly are unknown.
Fair enough, as I have pointed out in many of my posts. But then again I am considering applying for citizenship. I have lived in the UK for 23 years, both my kids are UK citizens, and indeed half of my family in the US came from Scotland. I feel connected to the UK, and Europe, and it makes me sad that a European peace that has lasted a generation is being risked for the sake of nationalism.
EDIT: And, no, I am not the Donald.
So you would prefer a dictatorship with a ruling elite (The House of Lords with a solid monarchy) making the decisions for the uneducated morons? Oh wait, you have to pass a liberal IQ test to vote. That would be cool.
First of all this is no surveillance, this pure individual tracking and data collection for profiling purposes. Individual tracking has only been done to suspects in crime and soon everyone will be tracked and treated like suspect.
Second all kinds of data will be collected and sorted. Data will be accessible to anyone in government and their friends because that's how it works even thought they will deny such games. Which means if you are an inventor you better not be emailing and storing your non-patented projects online cause IT conglomerates such as Apple and others might find them very easily, all they have to do is have the tech tipper inside the program or simply ask higher up government official for the favor.
Third, there are two kinds of wrong. One that carries legal weight and one that constitutes of moral burden. Technically only one can be declared as wrong but both could inflict major damage to your life. Let me ask you one simple question: Who will suffer more in their life? a)Some low rank hooligan who busts the skull of another hooligan to obtain street cred and get multiple years in prison b)High ranking officer of some huge company who was caught visiting adultfinder.com or perhaps voyeur website and has to step down, gets divorced, leaves in shame the lifestyle he once built and losses most of his money in the process.
Technically person B never did anything legally wrong but what that person did was morally wrong in the tight circle of people he or she was a part off. On the other hand person A did morally the right thing by building the street cred and being imprisoned which will guarantee him higher gang rank once he walks out but he did break the law.
Don't fool yourself, world is not black and white but constant shades of gray, its not until someone accuses you that you went into lighter or darker shade of gray by their standards and makes you to have to defend yourself. With this tracking program it will be a lot easier for them to do that to you.