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Because the US has some very beautiful places and some great schools. Not to mention the great opportunities for those with higher education. There is a trade off, of course. I've always urged people to visit some of our national parks and not just go to Disney World in Florida. Grand Teton Park is breathtaking. There are a lot of amazing places to go to, specifically if you enjoy nature. I've traveled a lot, mostly in western and eastern Europe, and they have as many beautiful places, too. Foreigners like New York City. They think it's amazing. I think it's a dingy place. I love the Scottish highlands and the Welsh countryside, especially if you visit with a friend or spouse and share a bottle of nice Scotch whilst walking as best you can.
 
It already started. I just flew from Florida to NY about a week ago and the TSA made everyone take out iPads from their luggage and put them through the scanner separately.

I thought the whole point of X-Ray machines was to determine if the device is not a bomb...

So if they see that my laptop isn't a bomb... can I take it in the cabin of the plane? Pretty please? :)
 
Frankly, the US should be afraid of itself.

A country where the Second Amendment is engraved or tattooed on people's bodies, hearts, souls and minds - and thinks that background checks on some of the individuals who seek to purchase weapons that kill are an invasion of civil liberties - has problems with e-readers, tablets and computers on planes?
They're doing it for our protection, whether it's stupid or not. The goal is protection. and I'm all for it, if it means I won't have to worry the first time I go on a plane. and background checks are smart, do you really want someone with a huge history of crime purchasing a fire arm? Sure they can be annoying, but I'd rather be here than on the news. And I would like to think the same goes for you.
 
Actuaklt this is what baffles me. Plenty of people criticizing the US since forever, yet everybody wants to go there. I don't get it. One person like you might avoid the US, but there are a dozen more trying to enter the country.

"Hollywood". E. g. I wanted to see LA all my life, went there and thought it was the biggest dump.

Either way what is the point of those x-ray and body scanners if you could apparently use it to smuggle a bomb in your laptop? A bomb could surly detonate and bring down a plane in the storage as well?
 
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"Hollywood". E. g. I wanted to see LA all my life, went there and thought it was the biggest dump.

Either way what is the point of those x-ray and body scanners if you could apparently use it to smuggle a bomb in your laptop? A bomb could surly detonate and bring down a plane in the storage as well?
True. It actually shows that those body scanners are mere theater.
 
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Can I still take my Mac Pro on flights?
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"Hollywood". E. g. I wanted to see LA all my life, went there and thought it was the biggest dump.

Either way what is the point of those x-ray and body scanners if you could apparently use it to smuggle a bomb in your laptop? A bomb could surly detonate and bring down a plane in the storage as well?
The area that is technically the city of Los Angeles is nothing pleasant to look at, but the county is great to live in, and it has probably the richest mix of international cultures in the world. Only thing is it's vast and requires lots of driving around if you want to go to all the nice-looking parts. Maybe you skipped over Beverly Hills and such? Anyway, SF and NYC have more concentrated nice urban areas. IDK where in Europe you're comparing to, but I've been all over France and Italy.

I'm speaking as someone who used to live in LA and moved to Berkeley, CA. Also have seen much of the rest of the country. Some rural areas are nice too.
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Actuaklt this is what baffles me. Plenty of people criticizing the US since forever, yet everybody wants to go there. I don't get it. One person like you might avoid the US, but there are a dozen more trying to enter the country.
The industries and education definitely seem to be here, but since we're talking about tourism, I'd much rather visit Europe or Mexico than the U.S. for a vacation.
 
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Why not just ban commercial flight except for Air Force One and the other official flights?

Well, the environment would certainly thank us. Aviation is a significant contributor to climate change and air pollution globally.

But we'd need viable replacements for cross-continental and intercontinental travel first. Maglev? Hyperloop? Next-generation airships? Luxury, low-emission trans-oceanic hydrofoiling clipper ships?
 
They're doing it for our protection, whether it's stupid or not. The goal is protection. and I'm all for it, if it means I won't have to worry the first time I go on a plane. and background checks are smart, do you really want someone with a huge history of crime purchasing a fire arm? Sure they can be annoying, but I'd rather be here than on the news. And I would like to think the same goes for you.

Perhaps my post did not make it sufficiently clear, - it was phrased as a question, after all - but I am a very enthusiastic fan of the idea of background checks before one can be allowed to legally hold, possess, or wield a firearm.
 
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There was also "rumors" about the ban expanding to flights coming in from Europe and that didn't happen as well. However, at the rate we're going, the U.S. is quickly becoming the land of the fear and the home of the paranoid.
Frankly, the US should be afraid of itself.

A country where the Second Amendment is engraved or tattooed on people's bodies, hearts, souls and minds - and thinks that background checks on some of the individuals who seek to purchase weapons that kill are an invasion of civil liberties - has problems with e-readers, tablets and computers on planes?

I don't agree with but can appreciate the sentiment regarding our "second amendment" rights, but for the record very few people have an issue with background checks... and in fact they already exist. There is a lot of angst in political discussion about this need, but they are already being used and don't exist for only a very few outlier conditions (that being individual-to-individual sales). In addition, the statistics clearly show that areas with the strong individual gun ownership have the lowest overall crime rates and the fewest murders.
 
Who is going to pay for stolen or broken gadgets and didnt they say that those devices should be in a carry on because of the danger of batteries malfunctioning in the storage in the past?

USA is getting less and less attractive to travel to as a tourist tbh
i am already avoiding the US as a stop over since you guys have no transit zone and it is such a hassle to get through TSA. No thank you
Its getting less and less attractive to live here too. The bureaucrats have taken over :(
 
Either way that is getting a bit OT
also first rule "do not talk with americans about politics, guns or health care" :D

While certainly OT, I would respectfully suggest that your sample of American's is too small. Most of us are happy to discuss any of those topics with logic and a willingness to hear all perspectives. I may not *agree* with someone but that doesn't invalidate their ideas. Heck... I might even learn something! :)
 
Either way what is the point of those x-ray and body scanners if you could apparently use it to smuggle a bomb in your laptop? A bomb could surly detonate and bring down a plane in the storage as well?
I was about to post the same thing - travel is already a serious hassle with the number of X-ray scans you go through (sometimes multiple on the same leg of a journey, depending on the airport). You take your laptop out, you take your iPad out (although not always), etc.

But... what are those scanners actually doing? If they want to ban large electronics from the cabin, then they're essentially admitting those scanners do... nothing at all.
 
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They're doing it for our protection, whether it's stupid or not. The goal is protection. and I'm all for it, if it means I won't have to worry the first time I go on a plane. and background checks are smart, do you really want someone with a huge history of crime purchasing a fire arm? Sure they can be annoying, but I'd rather be here than on the news. And I would like to think the same goes for you.

How traumatized are you that you seriously worry boarding a plane? The only thing that worries me in my 10+ years of flying is missing the damn flight due to one security lane being open.
 
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Yup I've already heard this and the reason comes down to risk. The likelihood of a laptop battery randomly catching fire is probably extremely low, whereas somebody detonating a laptop bomb in the cabin is high enough that a ban is being considered. You're not going to hear any argument from me about how inconvenient and annoying this seems, but I'm advocating that before we collectively flip out we should try and understand why this is being seriously considered.
The problem is if you put 100 laptops in the hold the chances of a fire in the hold has just increased significantly. There is already a rule that you are not allowed to have Lit batteries in your checked luggage. I have seen passengers forced to open their luggage and remove Lit batteries when they have replied positively to have you got any batteries in your luggage.
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It already started. I just flew from Florida to NY about a week ago and the TSA made everyone take out iPads from their luggage and put them through the scanner separately.
Where have you been hiding. This has been standard practice for laptops and iPads for many years now.
 
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I don't agree with but can appreciate the sentiment regarding our "second amendment" rights, but for the record very few people have an issue with background checks... and in fact they already exist. There is a lot of angst in political discussion about this need, but they are already being used and don't exist for only a very few outlier conditions (that being individual-to-individual sales). In addition, the statistics clearly show that areas with the strong individual gun ownership have the lowest overall crime rates and the fewest murders.

Well, to be fair we ban people from carrying guns on planes so we're consistent in that regard.
 
The problem is if you put 100 laptops in the hold the chances of a fire in the hold has just increased significantly. There is already a rule that you are not allowed to have Lit batteries in your checked luggage. I have seen passengers forced to open their luggage and remove Lit batteries when they have replied positively to have you got any batteries in your luggage.
It has already been a problem for years that you may not be able to ship batteries by post because they might contract belly cargo instead of pure freight carriers.
 
That is different. Batteries inside devices are allowed in belly cargo.

Well, my point exactly. Apparently it's already not an issue of safety to place laptops in the cargo. So idk why we're talking about stand-alone lithium-ion batteries when they aren't part of the subject?
 
Turkish Airlines have a great way to deal with this paranoid ban: They allow you to carry and use your "banned" computing devices all the way to the door of the plane. Meaning, you can use them while waiting to board and do not have to put them into your checked baggage. You surrender your device (preferably in a bag or carrying case) at the door just like a wheel chair or a baby stroller. If you fly business, they give you a complementary laptop to use in flight. The internet service is also free to all passengers business or economy. You can use this complementary computer to access web based email, cloud based files, surf the web and save your work on cloud or your own USB stick.

Once the flight is over, you hand back your loaner laptop (like the headsets) and they deliver your computing device as soon as you exit the plane, before the passport or customs control. This is particularly useful if you have a connecting flight and you will not be seeing your luggage until you reach your final destination and will be spending more time between flights.
 
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Well, my point exactly. Apparently it's already not an issue of safety to place laptops in the cargo. So idk why we're talking about stand-alone lithium-ion batteries when they aren't part of the subject?
That is fascist topic thinking.
 
This. Except it's not less attractive but not attractive at all as of about five years ago. American TSA and border security have a terrible reputation. I can't speak from personal experience, only the many, many second-hand reports I've read and heard like the one I outline below. As such I too have decided to avoid the US, which isn't so bad because it's not like there aren't plenty of other places in the world I'd prefer to visit anyway.

It was widely reported here that legendary Australian children's author Mem Fox, 70, had been held and interrogated by TSA/customs/border security for several hours including being held in secured rooms with other detainees with heavily armed officers as if she was arrested. She'd done nothing wrong and said it was such a frightening and traumatising experience she broke down sobbing upon release and arrival at her hotel.



https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts...ul-w/ead46696-0ae8-43eb-a23a-05803a27ade9.htm

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-loathed-america-i-loathed-the-entire-country

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...n/news-story/7df3a1427e2f695d2facf4298c941f4b

Mem Fox had previously visited the US about 70 times but vowed it would be her last. There were comments along the lines of "If this is what they do to a 70 year-old white Australian woman imagine what they do to someone from one of the "Muslim" countries with poor English".

She received apologies from the US embassy after it became national news in Australia. But if it wasn't for her fame and national reporting of the incident would she have? How many others have had the same or similar experiences but we never hear about them because they're not famous?

The best I've ever heard about TSA is that if you're lucky they let you through in an unfriendly manner with a minimal interrogation. I've heard it's possible (even likely) to get a smile and "welcome" from officers in Canada.
She got questioned and equates it to physical assault? Give me a f'in break.
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It already started. I just flew from Florida to NY about a week ago and the TSA made everyone take out iPads from their luggage and put them through the scanner separately.
And? That's nothing new.
 
lol no. I'm not in favor of the ban. Your rationale just doesn't add up.
What are you talking about? I just complained about "off topic" fascism, as exhibited by some moderators who cannot look beyond the obvious.
 
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