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U.S. Mac Sales Down in June Despite Introduction of New MacBook Airs
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Actually my mum told me the other day that she isn't upgrading her pro yet because of the lack of Haswell, even though she wants a new machine. She doesn't go on forums like this, but is capable of doing 5 minutes of research before buying an expensive laptop.
I think most people are, unless they have more money than sense. Every site I go on related to the new Macs, and computers in general, people are going on about Haswell. I think it would be hard to miss it.
I've even seen the exact argument you are making repeated at least a dozen times on various forums.
Wrong. Ask any customer in an Apple store, or any normal person what Haswell is. They'll probably think it's some new dumb JJ Abrams movie.
Get used to this downward trend.
1- The whole industry is experiencing it
2- Apple's decline will pace the others until they bring their prices in line with reality
I believe the day that Steve Jobs made his grandiose declaration that the Post PC Era had arrived and the PC was dead, he caused more damage than many may have realized. Being the highly influential CEO he was, others were quick to agree, then the press ran with the story. His stature as God within the walled garden only served to exacerbate the impact. It became a status symbol for hoards of Apple computer users to brag how they hadn't touched their computer since buying an iPad. It's no wonder the landscape has changed.
I'm one of those users who are "waiting for the next update", but this time I'll probably move when the iMac is updated - my current iMac was ordered on the day the G5 iMac was announced. I mainly use a MBP, but want the newer iMac for working on large photo files - the G5 does have problems with large, modern files.
Yes... Lenovo had an increase in US PC sales. Congratulations.
But the entire worldwide PC industry is down...
There were fewer PCs sold this past quarter than the quarter a year ago.... I don't know why people keep arguing with that!
Hell... the headline of the article you linked is: "Gartner Says Worldwide PC Shipments in the Second Quarter of 2013 Declined 10.9 Percent"
Again... the PC market is down.
I know most people on this board are annoyed about the lack of updates on the iMac, rmbp, mini and Mac Pro. But I'm actually annoyed by the sales strategy of both laptop lines.
The main selling point of the air is the battery life and it is amazing. But who really needs a laptop cut of electricity for an entire day? I don't! I have a plug at home, at work and and my local coffee shop. So why do I need that extended battery life? The average consumer does not need that much battery life, it's a niche product.
On the other hand there's the pro. Focused on power and graphics. It's nice works great but so expensive and it might be too much for my needs.
I find myself falling in between. I like the air, it's portability and I think it has the power for my needs. But that screen, man that tiny screen hurts my eyes! I can't stare at it, and the extended battery life is not gonna help. Not to mention the ugliness of the bezel! I bought an air last year and returned after a week because I find the screen was too annoying and the bezel too distracting. On the other hand there's the nice rmbp. And that is just too expensive.
So I keep holding off until they either make a cheaper pro or a better air.
So I find that Apple's sales strategy fails on me. The options on the air are not gonna help me to improve the screen and the pro is just too much and expensive for what I need.
The main selling point of the air is the battery life and it is amazing. But who really needs a laptop cut of electricity for an entire day? I don't! I have a plug at home, at work and and my local coffee shop. So why do I need that extended battery life? The average consumer does not need that much battery life, it's a niche product.
On the other hand there's the pro. Focused on power and graphics. It's nice works great but so expensive and it might be too much for my needs.
I find myself falling in between. I like the air, it's portability and I think it has the power for my needs. But that screen, man that tiny screen hurts my eyes! I can't stare at it, and the extended battery life is not gonna help. Not to mention the ugliness of the bezel! I bought an air last year and returned after a week because I find the screen was too annoying and the bezel too distracting. On the other hand there's the nice rmbp. And that is just too expensive.
So I keep holding off until they either make a cheaper pro or a better air.
So I find that Apple's sales strategy fails on me. The options on the air are not gonna help me to improve the screen and the pro is just too much and expensive for what I need.
He's determined to hate Apple and will misinterpret any statistic possible to make Apple look bad.
Nothing to Buy at the moment if you know the guts of the machine
No ****; really? There's nothing new in the damn line. The MacBook Pro, even the Retina, is last year's tech. The Mac mini; the same. Year's end before we even see the Mac Pro, and still no word on pricing/ordering. The iMac was a nice refresh but hardly reason to upgrade if you were happy with the previous model.
The fact that Haswell has been out for a while and Apple announced new wireless capability that *isn't* in the current shipping models (except for Air) is keeping more than a few professionals I know from upgrading. Things'll pick up once we have something worth spending money on -- I'm not plunking down $3k+ for a non-Haswell MBP when I know a new one is due at any time.
No ****; really? There's nothing new in the damn line. The MacBook Pro, even the Retina, is last year's tech. The Mac mini; the same. Year's end before we even see the Mac Pro, and still no word on pricing/ordering. The iMac was a nice refresh but hardly reason to upgrade if you were happy with the previous model.
The fact that Haswell has been out for a while and Apple announced new wireless capability that *isn't* in the current shipping models (except for Air) is keeping more than a few professionals I know from upgrading. Things'll pick up once we have something worth spending money on -- I'm not plunking down $3k+ for a non-Haswell MBP when I know a new one is due at any time.
Then point out or quote where I'm wrong (and what I was wrong about).
You know, if your point (I'm still not sure what it is) was defensible, you would just spell out how you're reaching your conclusions rather than resorting to condescension and telling others to go look at a link without a word on what we're supposed to look at and why it's important to your point. There simply isn't a need to be this rude or melodramatic. I don't believe I was disrespectful towards you in any of my posts.
The MacRumor Article is for US sales.
I gave US sales for Lenovo (up 19%) and Dell (up 6.4%).
The numbers above don't explain why 80% in this forum keep saying PC sales are down everywhere and nobody is upgrading their laptop or desktop computers now.
Apparently someone is because Lenovo is kicking some A$$ in the US.
Nonsense. The Fusion drive works better than any hybrid drive could. You need intelligence for a Fusion drive, and the Fusion drive has two powerful CPUs with tons of RAM available to it. Why would you want to drive up the cost and add that to a hybrid drive?
I guess this means I'm neither normal or smart. Now I'm sad.
I'm genuinely curious - why do you bother registering and posting on a Apple forum?
That's an excellent question.
To liberate Apple, a brand that I've been using way before any of you ignorant and gullible newcomers have, from the pawns of evil (I mean really stupid) fanboys.
Fanboys are destroying Nintendo. They are destroying Microsoft's Xbox. They are also destroying Apple.
Before you, I was a fan. And you know how we ended up with the term "fanboy". Because there's a huge difference between fans, who supported a once unpopular brand but for numerous GOOD reasons, and fanboys who usually are latecomers (again, not counting Apple forum PR), ignorant, easy to influence because they repeat like parrot and support a brand for reasons that do NOT exist anymore.
ALSO, and that's the fun part, "legacy" fans like me made up their own mind because the brand wasn't popular, but they're capable of being informed, cut through the BS, and usually are opinion leaders. I converted hundreds of people to Apple, but now, people like me have NO reasons to. YOU fanboys are too ignorant to be opinion leaders since you just FOLLOW marketing based on NOTHING, and that's why less and less casual, domestic consumers don't fall for this BS either.
The point being, the last Apple updates, be it the iPhones 5, Macbook Retina, Macbook Air or OSX, are absolute crap compared to old updates, not only in term of innovation but mainly configuration/hardware, and the fact that it is also way more over priced than before makes a gap that should make NOBODY, especially fans, support Apple.
it's people holding out
Apple thought that by releasing a haswell MBA first, they'd lure enough customers anyway before they released the updated rMBP.
I guess they strongly underestimated the amount of people that would hold out for the updated rMBP (including me... I'm holding out exactly for that. I have a 2011 MBA and the next thing on my list is exactly an rMBP). Or maybe they're testing exactly that.
So, Apple, if you do read this... don't make us wait too long.
Apple thought that by releasing a haswell MBA first, they'd lure enough customers anyway before they released the updated rMBP.
I guess they strongly underestimated the amount of people that would hold out for the updated rMBP (including me... I'm holding out exactly for that. I have a 2011 MBA and the next thing on my list is exactly an rMBP). Or maybe they're testing exactly that.
So, Apple, if you do read this... don't make us wait too long.
"To liberate Apple from the pawns of evil".
That's awfully generous of you, but don't you think "evil" is a little melodramatic? A major % of the world lives in oppression or constant threat of violence, but fanboys of tech toys are "evil"? How about just a LITTLE bit of perspective?
"I've been using [Apple] way before any of you ignorant and gullible newcomers have."
Congratulations. What is this pride that people take in being "first" at something? That makes everyone else ignorant and gullible? Are you trying to prove something to yourself or to everyone else?
Overpriced? Have the iPhone or iPad gone up in price since their introduction? Did they not upgrade processors, form factors, and software since their introduction? You say you've been a fan since the early days. I'm confused. Were Apple products once inexpensive?
If the current stuff is such crap, why don't you go back and use the old Apple software and hardware? It's all available for dirt cheap on E-Bay. I'm being serious. You appear to have a vile hatred and bitterness for all of Apple's current products. No one's forcing you to use them and you seem to think far better alternatives exist, so why aren't you using them? Why waste your time here? You really think you're going to change Apple by venting here? Don't you think you may be overestimating your influence a little?
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Exactly. Which is why all of Apple's competitors try to copy the look of Apple products starting with the original Mac.
Design matters from the external case and buttons to the GUI of the OS.
I'm confused. What does that have to do with the external design...or even internal design of a computer? Those are parts. If I read OP's post correctly he is referring to external design. That is certainly what I was referring to in my post.
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There will always be a use for a computer. They might become niche products, but they'll be made as long as there is a market. Remember Apple existed at a time when Macs had a 2% market share and was a niche brand. It still makes and updates the iPod even though the product that once accounted for 50% of it's profits is now only 2%.