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U.S. Mac Sales Down in June Despite Introduction of New MacBook Airs

Razeus said:
Unless your a creative type (photographer, videographer, hardcore gamer, etc.) there's no reason you can't use an iPad for all your computing needs.
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Exactly. That's why I don't think this is an issue of Mac's being outdated or over priced or whatever. It's a lot of consumers finding out they can do pretty much everything they were doing on their laptop/desktop on their tablet. Another reason why Microsoft is in a world of hurt.
 
Polymorphic said:
The entire PC market is down right now. Tablets get a lot of the blame, but I think they are only indicative of a larger "problem," namely that if tablets are good enough for mainstream computing, so are four-year-old computers.

The comment that computers like the rMBP are "a bridge too far" for many is dead-on. Not only do these machines cost too much for the majority of the middle-class people I know, but I think the Mac's value proposition is waning. It used to be that you bought a Mac for maximum longevity. Now...well, see the previous paragraph.
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Then explain to me why Lenovo sales up up 19% YoY?
2Q13 ships 2Q13 MS (%) 2Q12 Ships 2Q12 MS (%) 2Q12-2Q13 Growth (%)
1,515,562 10.1 1,266,109 8.3 19.7

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Link for actual formatted numbers.
http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2544115
 
I know some people that were planning to buy a macbook but because they're taking too long to update they've decided to stick with windows and buy a nice ultrabook. They're definitely losing sales through negligence, how many I don't know.
 
My 2009 MBP does all but one thing I need it to do...AirPlay. I would love to have AirPlay but it's not worth a couple grand to upgrade to have it. If anything, I would spend a few hundred on an iPad (that would give me AirPlay) and put the MBP on the desk in the basement to serve the aTV and occasionally do the stuff that is not easy to do on an iPad.

Doesn't that paint a picture of why sales are down?

The new release improvements have become so incremental, that you can go for years without needing a new computer. When it gets to the point I can't do something I deem critical to my needs...then I will buy. I also keep my cars 10-15 years, until they become unreliable. I think consumers in general are starting to hold on to things longer. It's one way you save money when jobs are hard to come by.
 
chadley_chad said:
Apple have done well, but they've taken their eye off the ball, become too complacent, resting on their laurels, and now the competitors have struck back; and as apple fans try other products (like the better HTC One or S4) people are no longer brainwashed and are starting to realise there are other (sometimes better) choices. That's what happens when you become complacent Apple!
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This report relates to Mac sales and Mac sales alone. In that regard you can't say competitors have struck back because 1) it's been decades since Macs had a lead over PC and 2) PC sales are in the dumper now too. Consumers are moving away from computers and towards tablets. However, that has zero bearing on the quality of Mac OS or Macs. They are great products.

Now when you get into tablets Android (all versions combined) leads iOS, but as far a pure sales go the iPad leads all other tablets by double digits. Consumers are not brainwashed; they buy what suits there individual need. For some that's an inexpensive Android tablet for others it's the Apple premium. There is no one size fits all.
 
4TheLoveOfTech said:
Then explain to me why Lenovo sales up up 19% YoY?
2Q13 ships 2Q13 MS (%) 2Q12 Ships 2Q12 MS (%) 2Q12-2Q13 Growth (%)
1,515,562 10.1 1,266,109 8.3 19.7

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Link for actual formatted numbers.
http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2544115
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How is this contradictory? It just means that out of the people who are still buying PC's, Lenovo is gaining PC marketshare. Doesn't mean the overall PC market isn't declining.

They might also be benefiting from Dell's complacency.
 
Rogifan said:
Where is the evidence that Mac sales are declining more than PC sales? Whose data are you basing that off of?
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They're practically neck and neck. A roughly estimated 15% downturn in overall PC sales, and a roughly estimated 15% drop in Mac sales.

I think most of the reasoning for it is pretty much what you've already read. People don't need to upgrade their computers every other year anymore. The average consumer really hasn't had to do this since the days of the Core2Duo. Add to that the upswing in tablets and phones, and it's no wonder we're seeing a fairly hefty hit to the PC market.

This doesn't mean Macs and PCs are dying. Far from it. It's more like a leveling out. People who never really needed a full featured PC are now buying tablets exclusive. Those who do will continue doing so at regular intervals, though not as often as they have in the past.
 
chadley_chad said:
Apple have done well, but they've taken their eye off the ball, become too complacent, resting on their laurels, and now the competitors have struck back; and as apple fans try other products (like the better HTC One or S4) people are no longer brainwashed and are starting to realise there are other (sometimes better) choices. That's what happens when you become complacent Apple!
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Better? Certainly not. Good enough for people that don't know any better is absolutely accurate though.
 
Renzatic said:
They're practically neck and neck. A roughly estimated 15% downturn in overall PC sales, and a roughly estimated 15% drop in Mac sales.

I think most of the reasoning for it is pretty much what you've already read. People don't need to upgrade their computers every other year anymore. The average consumer really hasn't had to do this since the days of the Core2Duo. Add to that the upswing in tablets and phones, and it's no wonder we're seeing a fairly hefty hit to the PC market.

This doesn't mean Macs and PCs are dying. Far from it. It's more like a leveling out. People who never really needed a full featured PC are now buying tablets exclusive. Those who do will continue doing so at regular intervals, though not as often as they have in the past.
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I wouldn't be surprised if macs suffered more. They are priced more than pcs after all.
 
flux73 said:
How is this contradictory? It just means that out of the people who are still buying PC's, Lenovo is gaining PC marketshare. Doesn't mean the overall PC market isn't declining.

They might also be benefiting from Dell's complacency.
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Apple is included in the link I supplied. Your statement fails on every level when Lenovo had a 19% gain and Dell had a 6.4% YoY gain.
 
There's NO reason the iPad mini should have not have a retina screen at launch.

There's no reason for iMacs to take so long to get upgraded (the old chassis was just fine and more proper for the desktop use). Changing how something looks is NOT innovation Apple. There's no reason for them not to be updated 2x a year.

It's still my opinion that Tim Cook has no idea what he's doing.

He still hasn't released any products of his own and continues to rehash Jobs products.

They replaced a qualitative, off the cuff, visionary type with a quantitative, by the book, numbers guy. And now it's producing 2 different companies.
 
appleisking said:
I wouldn't be surprised if macs suffered more. They are priced more than pcs after all.
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So is everything apple makes, some people are willing to pay more for something they view as higher quality product, and much of apples stuff is made to a higher standard.

Razeus said:
There's NO reason the iPad mini should have not have a retina screen at launch.

There's no reason for iMacs to take so long to get upgraded (the old chassis was just fine and more proper for the desktop use). Changing how something looks is NOT innovation Apple. There's no reason for them not to be updated 2x a year.

It's still my opinion that Tim Cook has no idea what he's doing.

He still hasn't released any products of his own and continues to rehash Jobs products.

They replaced a qualitative, off the cuff, visionary type with a quantitative, by the book, numbers guy. And now it's producing 2 different companies.
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I agree completely. Steve Jobs focused on making something the best it could be as a whole. Sometimes his products were a little behind from a hardware standpoint, but when you weighted everything together it still came out on top.

Tim Cook is just waiting to see statistics on what consumers want and then moves forward. Everything is what most consumers have been reported to want with him and he build it.

Renzatic said:
They're practically neck and neck. A roughly estimated 15% downturn in overall PC sales, and a roughly estimated 15% drop in Mac sales.

I think most of the reasoning for it is pretty much what you've already read. People don't need to upgrade their computers every other year anymore. The average consumer really hasn't had to do this since the days of the Core2Duo. Add to that the upswing in tablets and phones, and it's no wonder we're seeing a fairly hefty hit to the PC market.

This doesn't mean Macs and PCs are dying. Far from it. It's more like a leveling out. People who never really needed a full featured PC are now buying tablets exclusive. Those who do will continue doing so at regular intervals, though not as often as they have in the past.
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You would be surprised how many people still use the core2 line of processors. Standard PC's have surpassed the general publics need of processing power. Now they just need to focus on ULV for them.
 
appleisking said:
I wouldn't be surprised if macs suffered more. They are priced more than pcs after all.
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It's not really about price so much as need. This could benefit Apple in the long term since the people who actually need a PC to do their jobs are likely willing to spend a little more to get one. Everyone else is going to be buying tablets exclusively.

What I think we're seeing now is the end of the low end sub-$500 PCs. I'd say in another couple of years, tablets will erase the low end PC market entirely, leaving only the mid-high end dedicated user niche. This is the market Apple's always played in. Much like the PC OEMs, they'll lose some sales off the top due to the mobile rush, but the photographers, the graphic designers, the gamers, will continue buying laptops and desktops, same as always. Macs will be a smaller, but still very profitable subset of Apple's entire lineup.
 
cube said:
I don't want Fusion because it is a kludge.

A proper hybrid is standalone, no software running in a CPU involved.
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The current Hybrid drives are a kludge. The SSD drives in them are only used as a cache, It does not store the operating systems on the SSD, are too small in size.

The Fusion Drives are much more intelligent, use your mostly used applications on the SSD as well as the operating system itself.
 
We got an addition:
-people waiting for an update
-people happy with their older models
-people going on mobile
-people using credit cards for holidays
-people economizing + the economic situation is just going a bit better than 2008
-people are more mature: instead of consuming only, thinking about something else
Result:
-Apple's MacBooks lose incomings :)

EDIT: I'd be surprised that the SEO of Apple would not take those thing in count.
 
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