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U.S. Mac Sales Grow 28.5% in Holiday Quarter, PC Market Suffers Worst Decline Ever [Updated]

The Software revolution on IOS dwarfs anything OSX/Win8 come up with.

For any 1 half decent application you got on OSX/Win8, I got 20 apps twice as good on my iPad. Truth is, it´s the pace of development of software that is killing Windows AND OSX. And I like it.

PS: Tim, if you´re reading my comments like I know you are: iPad Pro 4K 13" with some serious PRO software like Final Cut, Logic, Aperture etc. Aight?
 
Wow. Mac sales surged by 28%?

Are you sure it's not including the sale of ipad? From a few last report I always see that Apple computer sales always combining Mac and iPad?
Now if that's the case, the growth would be normal considering Aplle jist released the new shiny iPad Air last holiday?
 
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cuencap said:
I'm curious where you store any photos you take?
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If I had an ipad and iphone only (no desktop), I would use a service like Flickr to store photos, which provides 1 TB free.

I keep and share our family favorite photos on Flickr with the grandparents and brother in-law. Works great. I have over 1,500 photos on the service and haven't scratched the surface of the available space. Uploading is easy from apps like Flickrstackr. Frankly, maybe one in four photos that I take are worth keeping. Usually, lots of duplicates....basically same photo taken a few seconds apart. Uploading to a service helps me weed out the dogs.

Honestly, the vast majority of folks could get by fine with just a tablet and smartphone for their home and personal use. For work, most people are forced to use the computer provided by their IT department.....so, they don't get much choice on what or when to refresh. I believe this is the reality for a huge number of people, but not necessarily the situation for those that post on MR.
 
Wait what happened to the reports on AI and Marketwatch and CNBC that CHROMEBOOKS had taken 25% of notebook sales?
 
IJ Reilly said:
Retail surveys, I believe.

Not that market share means much of anything. It's the YoY unit sales increase that impresses (provided it holds up).
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But that number only mean something if it's accurate. I'll wait for Apple's earnings call when we get real sales figures.
 
I switched over to OSX back in 2012 and will never own a Windows machine again.

Unfortunately I had to Bootcamp and install Windows 7 because I still need it for AutoCAD and occasionally playing SimCity 4.
 
iBug2 said:
Even today, it's faster to do computing off site if you are dealing with big computations.
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Not for me!

I am currently dealing with MATLAB analysis on 2GB size files. My data is also proprietary.

No way will I ever live without a laptop!
 
There is some horrible reporting going on here. Macrumors article says that Mac sales grew 28.5% but 9to5mac says that Apple loss 5.7% and fell in 4th place. I'm confused.:confused:
Judging from the stock drop I'm leaning towards 9to5mac's article.
 
cdmoore74 said:
There is some horrible reporting going on here. Macrumors article says that Mac sales grew 28.5% but 9to5mac says that Apple loss 5.7% and fell in 4th place. I'm confused.:confused:
Judging from the stock drop I'm leaning towards 9to5mac's article.
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Most tech stocks dropped today. Besides, it's unlikely Apple stock would drop because of estimated Mac sales by analysts. Wall Street doesn't care about the Mac.
 
Icaras said:
If I use my imac for gaming, then sure Mac Pro can be used for gaming.
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I think he means that it's not meant for gaming, but I can only guess. Better to go with i7, a custom case, and one fast GPU if you just want a machine aimed for gaming. But it'll still suck compared to the Gamecube.
 
MacRumors said:
Apple saw its U.S. PC marketshare rise from 9.9 percent to 13.7 percent in the holiday quarter year-over-year, according to data just released from Gartner. The 28.5 percent rise shows a substantial increase in Mac sales, largely at the expense of HP and Toshiba.
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What is hugely missing here is remember that Q4 2012 Apple shot sales of its number #1 desktop product in the head. The iMac stalled and came up short over 1M units because it wasn't for sale the vast majority of the quarter.

PCs aren't doing so well so that does contribute. But Apple shot itself in the head too. Don't shoot yourself in the head in Q4 and things turn out much better. For this year, Apple's Q4 y-over-y numbers are filled with noise. There are no deep long term insights there. It is good they didn't screw up again this year. But in terms of competitiveness against the other PC vendors it is muddled data.
 
Dual PCs/Tablets -- how classified

More pseudo-statistics coming. "Computers", "PCs", "tablets", "phablets", "smart phones", "PCs/Tablets" like the Surface (which Surface?), "netbooks", "notebooks". How are the categories going to be defined and what form-factors are going to be included in each?

Numbers will vary based on what lie someone wants to propagate. Unless these numbers are broken out, we will never know what the market really looks like. And, I'm sure the manufacturers are never going to say.
 
512ke said:
Wait what happened to the reports on AI and Marketwatch and CNBC that CHROMEBOOKS had taken 25% of notebook sales?
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That report was for the "US Commercial Channel"

If you don't know what that means... you're not alone. Apparently no one knows what it means.

The author of that article blasted the media in a followup article: http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=3CF25874-B69F-E19B-024BC4137078E1F0

Here's what he meant when he said "US Commercial Channel"

Baker defined the commercial channel as the distributors -- like CDW and Ingram Micro -- that many businesses, government agencies, schools and other organizations use to buy personal computers and other devices. His data did not include consumer sales, nor PCs sold by OEMs, such as Dell and Hewlett-Packard, directly to businesses.
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Basically... Chromebooks represented 21% of sales to commercial resellers... not to consumers.

Everybody freaked out for nothing :)
 
Iamthinking said:
These great sales charts can mean only one thing: stock charts for apple will plummet. Renewed chants of "apple is doomed"

As an apple shareholder, I am hoping for some bad news from apple, as I'm hoping the stock will go up, as the trend seems to be.:)
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AAPL is Definitely MANIPULATED by VILLAIN of Wall Street !!!!!!
Let The People around The World Get to Know What are " High Frequency Trading " & " Short Sell " Conbination Meant, BUSTARD " R*******d " !
 
Digital Skunk said:
I wouldn't even go as far as to say that it's Windows 8 that's causing the decline. I am using a Dell Venue 8 Pro now and it's the best tablet experience I've ever had hands down. Better than an iPad or Android tablet.

Windows 8 functions as advertised, the app selection is a moot point, and Windows has gotten Apple beat by a mile in terms of being able to switch into and out of a fully touch or mouse and board UX/UI. Even with dual displays plugged into an 8" tablet I can get a touch UI on one screen and a full desktop experience on the other. The machine runs Photoshop without a hitch while running other light apps. I've coded websites and made GFX in Illustrator. Lightroom, and it's hungry hippo self, runs decently, but don't load up the library.

Then there's games, where Civ 5 does a fantastic job both in the touch and desktop UI.

Now the hardware . . . . . that's another story. I've already had three Dell related hardware glitches with this thing that the normal user wouldn't have been able to recover from.



I don't even think there will be too many Macs.

The way things are going in the high end market, which usually trickles down to the average user, everything is moving to zero client. Where the grunt of the work is handled by servers that just stream pixels to end users. The 48 core 256GB of RAM servers that Dell and HP make are far better at handling any task you can throw at them.

Soon, even the laptop will be a novelty.
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I get it - you love windows 8. But how can you say "app selection is a moot point" and not laugh? Isnt App selection the most important point?

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phoenixsan said:
so maybe the powers inside Apple pay attention and mantain the development of Apple hardware. Not to wait years and years to update a line as the new Mac Pro.

Portables are a good market for Apple to grow. Also, I think a revamped mini can help to boost the sales (maybe in the same price range). I am almost sure that the iToys also drives sales to the Mac camp, away from PCs.

Very hard to Apple to compete against the price point from Dell.....:eek:


:):apple:
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Yet, with almost 4 times more growth, they seem to be competing fine in spite of the price point!

Also, I am not sure the mac pro market impacts these figures at all. While perhaps it did take too long to refresh the model, that market uses the machine as a work horse, and so consumer type "I need the newest and best new thing every 6 months or I will die" thinking doesnt come into it - so I guess longer product cycles make sense.
 
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