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Look at me side-loading some dangerous malware from the dark net... :eek:

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I laugh at posts like this. The purpose of little snitch is to make sure nothing bad is happening on your network. It is essentially a side-effect of an open environment. Our servers have similar tools, and have actually caught some malware. Again, such a tool is not crucial on a closed system. Might be beneficial in some cases, but not crucial.
 
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Now I suspect this is some smack addict logic, and that you're actually tempted to sideload, and want something to protect you from that. I have no other explanation for this.

There are iOS options that I don't even touch remotely. For instance, i have Background App Refresh off from the day one. But -following your logic- maybe that's not enough, and maybe I should demand from Apple to omit that option from the next release.
Not at all, you are missing the point again and again. The ONLY advantage iOS has over Android from my and everyone I know is now GONE. iOS === Android now. Android is locked down too, you need to enable it. SAME THING. So iOS advantage and choice is completely gone now.
 
Not at all, you are missing the point again and again. The ONLY advantage iOS has over Android from my and everyone I know is now GONE. iOS === Android now. Android is locked down too, you need to enable it. SAME THING. So iOS advantage and choice is completely gone now.

Well, for me (and everyone I know), it's a disadvantage. What now?
 
Oh it's a day full of great news. :D
Go for it!
This can be a problematic thing when allowing side loading. Think about all the apps you currently trust on the App Store because they have to abide by Apple’s policies. Now image those app developers say screw it and they’ll not make an Apple App Store version but only a side loading version that can do whatever they want for data collection purposes and you can’t opt out of it because its been sideloaded.

Imagine if Netflix, or any other popular app, said cool now we don’t have to use the App Store. We’ll make a sideloading version only and then we can gather and sell as much user info as we want to.

So while sideloading can come with benefits it also should have a lot of regulation. I’m concerned that politicians won’t respect many or some of those concerns. So even if a person was trying to only download Apple approved apps there are a lot of developers that could simply just pull their apps from the App Store and side load only.

Bit of a tin foil hat theory but still a valid one. When you give corrupt people an alley they can go down they will go down it.
 
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Well, for me (and everyone I know), it's a disadvantage. What now?
Then let your wallet do the talking! We don't need big brother Government to crack down on Apple for this. This is the whole idea of a free market. If enough people ditch iOS for Android JUST for side-loading, then Apple will either change, or iPhone will die.
 
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I agree on that, our limits shouldn’t be set to what the lowest common denominator can do. Choice and education is definitely the key, not artificial limitations and profit-motivated restrictions.
This argument isn't wrong, but it only goes so far.... With many things in society, we do aim for the most common denominator. Traditional newspapers used to have a goal of having all articles in them written so someone at no more than a 4th. - 5th. grade reading level could understand them. It didn't make the news any less valuable. It just helped ensure as wide an audience as possible.

I think there's a very real distinction between a computer and a smartphone here, even if the smartphone is so advanced, it's really just another pocket computer in disguise. With a computer, you expect to buy a tool that frees you to experiment, to create, and to customize things to your liking. You expect there's a steep learning curve that comes with it. If you want to use one and don't understand how, you're probably going to consider going to classes for it or maybe getting someone to tutor you on it. Far more people than that want to buy a cellphone simply as an "appliance". They need a communications device they can put in their pocket or purse and take with them everywhere. The fact Apple has built a huge ecosystem of installable apps around it (as did Android) really just means they've promised these customers they found a way to make the phones do a lot more if they selectively add these programs.

So yeah, I'd expect a phone would have more artificial limitations put in place. There's a certain user experience the manufacturer designed for it and would prefer they all stick to for support purposes, as much as anything else. (A lot of calls for assistance with an iPhone will get fielded by one of several carrier's stores; not just Apple direct.)

Choice and education? They're great things but you always have the choice to move to a more flexible tool (a computer) vs a smartphone where that suits you.
 
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Somehow, I don't have this "fan, bet and lottery" gene in me.

Anyway, I don't know if this will be approved or not, but alone the uproar Apples latest shady business practices is causing, this all won't end just in favor of Apple.

The whole world will keep an eye on Apple from now on.
Soon they will need to employ more lawyers than developers. ?

Gonna sideload more malware, this time on my new Windows machine!
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Not really sure what the meaning is for all these images to make your argument. Well what about this then?
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Not at all, you are missing the point again and again. The ONLY advantage iOS has over Android from my and everyone I know is now GONE. iOS === Android now. Android is locked down too, you need to enable it. SAME THING. So iOS advantage and choice is completely gone now.
You may want an OS that's completely locked down (and yet still not without risks and security issues), but I want a market where all the power doesn't lie with two supremely powerful and self-serving entities. Unfortunately our two desires are at odds with one another.
 
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You may want an OS that's completely locked down (and yet still not without risks and security issues), but I want a market where all the power doesn't lie with two supremely powerful and self-serving entities. Unfortunately our two desires are at odds with one another.
Its not Apple's fault there isn't at least a third player around. They didn't buy Microsoft when they were working on their phones.
 
Its not Apple's fault there isn't at least a third player around. They didn't buy Microsoft when they were working on their phones.
Maybe not, but that doesn't mean I don't want my representatives to protect my interests and legislate with that reality in mind. Apple may have knocked out the other OS's fair and square, but they're now in a position to abuse their market dominance because developers and consumers have but two choices, coincidentally (or perhaps not) both with remarkably similar terms.
 
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This argument isn't wrong, but it only goes so far.... With many things in society, we do aim for the most common denominator. Traditional newspapers used to have a goal of having all articles in them written so someone at no more than a 4th. - 5th. grade reading level could understand them. It didn't make the news any less valuable. It just helped ensure as wide an audience as possible.

I think there's a very real distinction between a computer and a smartphone here, even if the smartphone is so advanced, it's really just another pocket computer in disguise. With a computer, you expect to buy a tool that frees you to experiment, to create, and to customize things to your liking. You expect there's a steep learning curve that comes with it. If you want to use one and don't understand how, you're probably going to consider going to classes for it or maybe getting someone to tutor you on it. Far more people than that want to buy a cellphone simply as an "appliance". They need a communications device they can put in their pocket or purse and take with them everywhere. The fact Apple has built a huge ecosystem of installable apps around it (as did Android) really just means they've promised these customers they found a way to make the phones do a lot more if they selectively add these programs.

So yeah, I'd expect a phone would have more artificial limitations put in place. There's a certain user experience the manufacturer designed for it and would prefer they all stick to for support purposes, as much as anything else. (A lot of calls for assistance with an iPhone will get fielded by one of several carrier's stores; not just Apple direct.)

Choice and education? They're great things but you always have the choice to move to a more flexible tool (a computer) vs a smartphone where that suits you.
If that was really the case (Apple caring about their technologically illiterate customers and their security), they simply would have produced two iOS versions, and everyone would be happy.
 
but they're now in a position to abuse their market dominance because developers and consumers have but two choices
So is Microsoft. So is Google. But ARE they abusing their position and actively participating in anti-competitive behavior?

Microsoft is on the verge of abusing their dominance buy purchasing game studios which causes Sony's stock to tank and them questioning if they will still get Call of Duty on Playstation consoles. Sounds like you are against big tech in general? I am, not just Apple but Microsoft and Google too. They are just way too big. But I still don't agree that the government should force Apple to change iOS in such a way it undermines the security and advantage a lot of people trust on iPhone. I am more for breaking up Apple (and Microsoft and Google so you know I am not just hating on Apple) vs this situation.
 
Wait. So I’m safe from the bug that gives up my Apple ID info to apps? Or the Safari bug if I don’t side load? /S

Perhaps Apple’s argument might hold up better if they hadn’t completely taken their eye off the ball in terms of their software releases. Perhaps go back to worrying about that rather than labelling everyone a paedophile? Just a thought.
While I agree that, not even just Apple but other companies as well are focusing A LOT on the wrong things. But an open environment will not improve things. It will simply make things worse.

Because let's just be honest here. iOS is "security by obscurity" currently. Apple is the gatekeeper on what is allowed to run and not. When this changes, this is going to be pre-Service Pack 2 Windows XP era of massive issues. Because for the first time (when this happens) iOS will be hit more and tested more from a malware perspective.
 
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So is Microsoft. So is Google. But ARE they abusing their position and actively participating in anti-competitive behavior?

Microsoft is on the verge of abusing their dominance buy purchasing game studios which causes Sony's stock to tank and them questioning if they will still get Call of Duty on Playstation consoles. Sounds like you are against big tech in general? I am, not just Apple but Microsoft and Google too. They are just way too big. But I still don't agree that the government should force Apple to change iOS in such a way it undermines the security and advantage a lot of people trust on iPhone. I am more for breaking up Apple (and Microsoft and Google so you know I am not just hating on Apple) vs this situation.
I would argue they are. Other countries have decided they are. Courts in the U.S. are currently deciding whether Apple is. Legislators clearly think some of big tech's behavior needs to be reigned in through new legislation.

All these big tech companies need to be under intense scrutiny, not just Apple. Too much of our lives are intertwined with a few big tech companies to allow them free reign to do as they please.
 
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Look at PC for all the evidence you need. Steam is the largest digital platform on PC, yet Epic Games purchases exclusivity deals so its ONLY on the Epic Games Store.
Look at Android, a much, much closer analogue, where Epic tried to pull Fortnite from the play store only to have to quickly put it back because most of their users didn’t want to install it from elsewhere.
 
The problem is that "sideloading" reduces choice.


You see, right now we only have 1 choice, the Apple App Store.

If we allow "sideloading," we'll have the Apple App Store and App Store XYZ or an app developer's website... that's at least 2 choices.

2 is less than 1

Wait. What? :confused:

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Missing the point, and using completely different red-herring to move the goal post.
Again, misconception of conformity of having a platform more of the same as Android is "choice."

Currently, there are two choices. The Apple walled garden experience, and the open (complete with sideloading) Android experience. Two different choices. 2 kinds of experience.

Forcing Apple experience into similar to Android will make the choice to be more of the same.
 
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Look at Android, a much, much closer analogue, where Epic tried to pull Fortnite from the play store only to have to quickly put it back because most of their users didn’t want to install it from elsewhere.
Because Apple hasn't done it yet. Things usually follow when Apple does things. Epic has explicitly stated they want an Epic Games Store on iOS.
 
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Time for Apple to block all but their barebones base level APIs from apps that don't go through the App Store.

If developers don't want to pay Apple anything, they shouldn't reap the rewards from the billions Apple has spent on development of iOS and hardware over the years.
That's a stupid argument. Hasn't Apple spent billions on the development of macOS and hardware over the years? How are they reaping the benefits since macOS allows sideloading?

On the other hand, you severely underestimate the ability of developers to do things on their own. I remind you the before the App Store, jailbreakers made their own apps without Apple's help. Heck, Forstall told Pandora to jailbreak the iPhone to build a demo app without Xcode or such tools provided by Apple.
 
What about the Epic lawsuit? That was specifically oriented around the way Apple operates the App Store and the judge did not find Apple to have violated any federal anti-trust laws.
Hence why Congress is steeping in to put an end to Apple’s App Store monopoly.
 
Because Apple hasn't done it yet. Things usually follow when Apple does things. Epic has explicitly stated they want an Epic Games Store on iOS.
You’re the one who brought up other platforms, I was simply giving you a much more relevant example. And yes, epic wants their own store, that doesn’t mean their store will be successful but it would still be nice for Apple to compete for Deb and customer business in the App Store by improving their offering, rather than just getting it by default.
 
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Actually yes it does, Windows Defender is an anti-virus software.
Okay. But you are protected by Microsoft.
I would not purchase another Windows machine.
They shot themselves in the foot by locking out some modern products from Windows 11.
I have an open eye to the new HP Chromebase.
Of all fat-cat mega-companies, I am not put off by Google.
Gmail has been very good to me.
 
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