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Would you buy a car that cost a few hundred dollars more just so you would have to blow into a tube every time you got in it just so you could start it?

Guilty until proven innocent.

What a great idea, you know that is what should be done for everyone yes I am all for it. Can you imagine how many people we would save, and lets also make one for war planes and can we get one for politicians to make sure they are not lying when they talk. We could have a lie meeter on cpan as they talk out of their rear end, I would pay extra tax just for that one.:D

A sarcasm is the only thing that keeps me sane when I see the nanny state a coming. :rolleyes:
 
Great!! More legislation by the same Senate that brought you the Patriot Act and other liberty robbing legislation!
BAAA
Sheeple, led to the slaughter!!!!:confused:
 
Are these apps even useful? I just checked the Dallas area for the hot spots I know about & there's nothing. These senators are just looking for publicity hey we're doing something "good".
 
So is it worth your time to capture fugitives, drivers with revoked licenses and drug dealers (which checkpoints do) or is sitting in traffic not worth that?

No, Sitting in Traffic is not worth my time as I am not any of the above. They are fishing instead of doing real police work to find any of the above. I don't like being asked for my "papers" on my way home.

Major issues with this country include Police Officers having Quotas, District Attorneys being rated on how many convictions they can pack into a year, and Senators using the phrase "for the children" to get what they want.
 
Stupidity on MacRumors and in the federal government, as usual.

The only reason OVI / DUI / DWI checkpoints are legal under the US Constitution and your local state Constitution is because the locations are made public in advance. Your local newspaper (or some other paper of general circulation) will publish the locations a day or so in advance of the police operating the checkpoint. This is what allows the police to pull your car over and detain you despite lacking any probable cause to believe you are drunk. Without that notice (where you are considered to have consented to the stop by driving through the checkpoint), any stopping of your vehicle without probable cause is unlawful and renders any evidence located (such as your breath test or SFSTs) inadmissible in court.

Removing this app is tantamount to the federal government telling private citizens they don't have a right to know where checkpoints are located -- and that knowledge is the only reason checkpoints are legal.

The Senators are stepping in it on this one, and probably not a one of them has anyone on their staff who has ever spent time in a municipal court dealing with a drunk driving case.

Well said but really when do politicians actually remember the Constitution? When it is in their best interest and no other time. :mad:
 
DUI checkpoints are a violation of our 4th Amendment rights. The only way they get around the Constitution to have them is by publicly announcing where the checkpoint will be and when - which is exactly what these apps support.

It is disturbing these Senators apparently do not understand our Constitutional rights.
 
DUI checkpoints are a violation of our 4th Amendment rights. The only way they get around the Constitution to have them is by publicly announcing where the checkpoint will be and when - which is exactly what these apps support.

It is disturbing these Senators apparently do not understand our Constitutional rights.

irony?
 
Note to Senators:

You might want to read the US Constitution that you swore to uphold.

What you are suggesting is censorship and you should resign if you're unwilling to stand by the Constitution.
 
Un-Constitutional

Perhaps someone should point out, so I will, that checkpoints on our roads are an illegal abrogation of our 4th Amendment Constitutional rights against unreasonable search and seizure.
 
Ugh, if you're coherent enough to launch the app, you're probably sober.

That said, lawmakers should push the auto industry to install breathalyzers, not be asking Apple to do something. I understand the intention, but there is a better way.

Apparently, none of you have ever had a drink.

1) If you are completely smashed and high on crack at the same time, you can operate your iPhone and use an app. The legal limit is like one or two beers in many places. So, it's beyond ridiculous to think a person over the lmit couldn't operate the app.

2) Nobody in this thread promoted drunk driving. All you oversensitive weirdos freaking out saying people are pro-drunk driving if they don't want the apps pulled are morons. You're so ridiculous, you make me want to be pro drunk driving just to not be like you.

3) I always laugh when people make distinctions between repubs and dems. You're delirious. Those is power wish to divide and conquer and by buying into their rah rah my team is better rhetoric, you give them way too much power. It's us vs. them. Come over to the good side.

4) There's no evidence that these apps promote drunk driving or make anything more dangerous. In fact, they may make things safer. Think before losing your minds.

5) Anone who cites a personal sob story to argue something should be shut out immediately. Completely illogical. I know many people who have died of cancer. Am I supposed to throw a fit every time someone makes a cancer reference or joke? Grow up.
 
Epic fail.

Way to go old guys! Another bullseye. :rolleyes:

Why waste your time and effort figuring out and attempting to fix the underlying causes of drunk driving... Let's face it: That would be hard. :confused:

Instead, do what the people who elected you do when they have a bad idea: Write a letter and sound important while doing it. :p

P.S. Is this what I get for not voting? Or is this what I get for having no one worth a damn to vote for on my ballot? I'm confused... ;)
 
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Snookerman said:
Here in Sweden, the Police says that their goal is to increase safety, not catch people. I'd rather have a drunk driver stay at home because of an app warning of a checkpoint than get in the car and get caught.

What a excellent way to look at the problem, focus on prevention not persecution. Go Sweden !

Apple is a corporation and can inact any policy or regulation they see fit, so long as it is legal. I think this App is
completely legal.

It will be interesting to see if they follow RIM.

If you want to stop drunk drivers, put mandatory breathalyzers on all cars (there is no right to drive, it is a privilege )
 
I love the basic misunderstanding many of you have about constitutional rights, and find it more disturbing how many of you seem to support drunk driving. Get over it, this app should be pulled.

Let me educate you on Con Law I / Crim Pro I

The government and local municipalities are required by law to publish their intent to set up a DUI/DWI/OVI checkpoint prior to it's establishment.

Under normal situations, a police officer must have probable cause to believe that you have committed some type of crime to pull your car over or detain you in any way. An officer cannot randomly pull cars over to see if the drivers are intoxicated. He/She must actually witness some traffic violation or indication of impairment in order to legally perform a traffic stop. If the State fails to show a valid reason for the stop, the stop is invalid and all evidence obtained as a result of the stop (including evidence such as a breathalyzer test back at the station, if one is obtained) is thrown out under the theory that it is "fruit of the poisonous tree." This is how 99% of DUI cases are beaten.

That's your constitutional right against unlawful search and seizure at work.

The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that OVI Checkpoints can circumvent that requirement (probable cause to stop) by publishing the checkpoint in a paper of general circulation beforehand with the theory being that motorists would then be consenting to the search if they drove through the checkpoint.

So, yes -- it is highly problematic that these Senators are trying to censor an app that gives the public notice of OVI/DUI/DWI checkpoints. Notice of the checkpoints is, quite literally, the only thing that makes them constitutional.

Try harder next time when you make claims about knowing what the Constitution does and does not say.
 
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You have to be one HELL of a loser to want/need/use these apps.

These apps are likely more dangerous because Danny Drunk will likely pull it up while driving wasted.

Besides, what drunks check the local paper ahead of time for checkpoints to avoid? Who really does that? Nobody I bet. People get wasted when they aren't planning on it. It's also plenty easy to send coherent texts on a phone when you are too drunk to drive so don't think the drunkenness itself will render the app useless.

Pull 'em all.
 
what in the world is DUI checkpoints? I believe they just want to remove this apps to get more speeding ticket revenue..

I don't think this apps are designed to show DUI checkpoints but rather speed traps

Also, do you think if person is drunk they will be looking at app to see if they can avoid DUI checkpoint? I don't think so
 
what in the world is DUI checkpoints? I believe they just want to remove this apps to get more speeding ticket revenue..

I don't think this apps are designed to show DUI checkpoints but rather speed traps

Also, do you think if person is drunk they will be looking at app to see if they can avoid DUI checkpoint? I don't think so

If they really want to cut down on DUIs, they should ban any apps that direct you to a White Castle or Taco Bell after 2AM.
 
Let me educate you on Con Law I / Crim Pro I

The government and local municipalities are required by law to publish their intent to set up a DUI/DWI/OVI checkpoint prior to it's establishment.

Under normal situations, a police officer must have probable cause to believe that you have committed some type of crime to pull your car over or detain you in any way. An officer cannot randomly pull cars over to see if the drivers are intoxicated. He/She must actually witness some traffic violation or indication of impairment in order to legally perform a traffic stop. If the State fails to show a valid reason for the stop, the stop is invalid and all evidence obtained as a result of the stop (including evidence such as a breathalyzer test back at the station, if one is obtained) is thrown out under the theory that it is "fruit of the poisonous tree." This is how 99% of DUI cases are beaten.

That's your constitutional right against unlawful search and seizure at work.

The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that OVI Checkpoints can circumvent that requirement (probable cause to stop) by publishing the checkpoint in a paper of general circulation beforehand with the theory being that motorists would then be consenting to the search if they drove through the checkpoint.

So, yes -- it is highly problematic that these Senators are trying to censor an app that gives the public notice of OVI/DUI/DWI checkpoints. Notice of the checkpoints is, quite literally, the only thing that makes them constitutional.

Try harder next time when you make claims about knowing what the Constitution does and does not say.

I think he was referring to how many here are linking this app to freedom of speech and that Apple is barred from touching it. As much as I hate to say it; Apple is well within it's rights to pull the app. I don't think they should, but it's their playground and their rules.
 
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You have to be one HELL of a loser to want/need/use these apps.

These apps are likely more dangerous because Danny Drunk will likely pull it up while driving wasted.

Besides, what drunks check the local paper ahead of time for checkpoints to avoid? Who really does that? Nobody I bet. People get wasted when they aren't planning on it. It's also plenty easy to send coherent texts on a phone when you are too drunk to drive so don't think the drunkenness itself will render the app useless.

Pull 'em all.

I can easily drive at .1. I don't due to the fact that a DUI would ruin my career, but I can see why someone who isn't really drunk, yet the law says he is drunk, would want to pull this app up and see if there are any checkpoints. Just because the law is outdated and has retarded rules like .08 being the same limit for everyone... I can guarantee you that I can drive better at .1 than many people (girls in particular) can drive at .05. Yet if we were both at a checkpoint, I'd be the one ****ed.
 
Typical Nevada Senator writing letters to big companies who don't give a damn.

Anyways, I dont think that these apps should be removed. They are in no way harming anyone. If someone can turn on their phone, navigate to the app and follow the directions around the DUI checkpoint then they can most likely make their way home. Also, when your drunk you don't think anything about this type of stuff. The only thing this app is doing is helping innocent people that are able to use a phone avoid being stopped and wasting their time.
 
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