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Good to see a nice drop in Microsofts Windows shipping stuff. Perhaps it will encourage them to do something new and exciting rather than just removing DVD playback from their latest OS.

I agree it is good. But the result has been the horrible mess that is Windows 8/8.1. They came up with something new but it is far from exciting.
 
Do you mean the free Chromebook Pixel, the $1300-base Chromebook (but if I remember right, the Google I/O model was upgraded with 4G and other goodies). That is far from a fair comparison. How many of those are actually bought and paid for and in the wild?

No, Iit was the one gifted in 2011, the Samsung one
 
Good to see a nice drop in Microsofts Windows shipping stuff. Perhaps it will encourage them to do something new and exciting rather than just removing DVD playback from their latest OS.

And upgrading the Windows Genuine Advantage so it can make your Windows stop being genuine randomly.

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Maybe the people who use computers for more advanced stuff should band together and try to keep people away from tablets. Fast PCs are cheap right now because they're mass produced because so many people use them. Once people move away, they'll become specialty items and skyrocket in price.
 
Figures show a decline in sales in every market that Apple is in. For Google and Microsoft there is growth, so while Apple is dominant in the tablets sector they were still in decline over this period. This isn't good for Apple.
Shareholders want growth. If Apple are still increasing profits they are ok for now, the revenue is no doubt a different story.

The simple fact is Apple will never dominate these markets because their price point is too high and the 5C is a prime example of how Apple don't get this.
I like their products and I hope they don't wait until Steve Jobs is cloned in an artificial womb before they get their pricing right, because they can loose. Every company in history that showed complacency towards their competitors has died out. IMHO market domination is entirely about numbers and not $.

And OSX isn't better than Windows or anything else for that matter, it's just as confusing and difficult to get used to as windows. Some technical issues are just as painful to diagnose and difficult to resolve. Chrome book is as simple as it gets. If all you do is surf and type it's a great proposition and for people who only surf and type, getting a Macbook is nothing more than a fashion statement, like having an upmarket car on your drive or designer handbag.
 
Nice stats...
But some details would be needed, don't you think?

- What exactly are commercial channels sales?
- How much of Apple sales are done through those "commercial channels"?
- Are those commercial channels sales, sales to end user or sales to restock?

Next...

- Those are from november 2012 to november 2013...
The iPad mini was released in in october 2012, an refreshed in november 2013.
The iPad ret was refreshed in october 2012 too, an refreshed as the iPad Air in november 2013.

Is the fact that the release of new and refreshed models outside of npd window important?
 
Meanwhile I have architect and other engineers asking me to upgrade the RAM in their cMBPs because 8 gb isn't even enough for AutoCAD, sketch up, revit, etc.
Engineers can't upgrade their own RAM? Man, higher education is in the dumpster these days.
 
Here is my reason not to get a Chromebook, I don't want to be tied into using Google services. Because I don't want all my actions, on a computer, tracked by ONE COMPANY, Google, so it can be sold to advertisers.

I want my online computer use to be spread around to several companies so my computer life isn't an open book for one company to exploit / sell.

- So, on a Chromebook my browser use, e-mail, word processing, chat, etc. would all be tied to Google services.
- On Windows, OS X, an iPad, I don't have to use an MS or Apple product for any of these services.
And I'm willing to pay more for that kind of flexibility / privacy.
Sounds like you'd rather be exploited by multiple companies.

I don't find Google, Apple, MS or the rest, any more or less malevolent, they're all just in it for a buck. They'd sell you down the river (or up the NSA) in a minute, if it helped the bottom line.
 
Why is it I see people using nothing but iPhones and MacBooks, yet somehow Android phones, and now Chromebooks, are selling more? BS!

Because you're subconsciously biased and noticing the Apple users more, Apple users tend to use their Macs in public more or any combination of a dozen other reasons.
 
Guess it's not surprising that cheap overcomes quality.

Two of my friends have kindles they bought recently. For a cheap advertising vehicle for Amazon, it wasn't bad. Not as good as the iPad, but it was good enough.

I've always thought of android as a group of wild dogs. Individually, they're insignificant; together they combine to take down the lion (i.e. Apple's market share). Amongst the dogs, Amazon is one of the alphas; they obviously contribute to android's dominance in tablets.
Wow, that's a pretty big stretch to make Apple users sound so noble.

I doubt such an apt analogy have been composed on a lowly Chromebook, it takes the finish and quality of a Macbook to crank out prose like that, although a 29¢ ball point pen might have pulled it off as well.
 
Wow, that's a pretty big stretch to make Apple users sound so noble.

I doubt such an apt analogy have been composed on a lowly Chromebook, it takes the finish and quality of a Macbook to crank out prose like that, although a 29¢ ball point pen might have pulled it off as well.

Wow, you sound bitter.
 
Figures show a decline in sales in every market that Apple is in. For Google and Microsoft there is growth, so while Apple is dominant in the tablets sector they were still in decline over this period. This isn't good for Apple.
Shareholders want growth. If Apple are still increasing profits they are ok for now, the revenue is no doubt a different story.

The funny thing is... Apple will sell more devices this year than they did last year. Isn't that growth? They're selling every iPhone they can make... roughly 500,000 every day. Why can't anyone be happy about that?

The simple fact is Apple will never dominate these markets because their price point is too high and the 5C is a prime example of how Apple don't get this.
I like their products and I hope they don't wait until Steve Jobs is cloned in an artificial womb before they get their pricing right, because they can loose. Every company in history that showed complacency towards their competitors has died out. IMHO market domination is entirely about numbers and not $.

So... market domination is entirely about numbers.

Well guess what... Samsung will be dominating the smartphone market for a loooong time.

Bad news for Apple, huh?

But... that should also be bad news for Huawei, Lenovo, LG and the dozen other manufacturers, right? They'll never sell as many phones as Samsung either... so why doesn't anyone dump all over them?

If you want numbers... I'm guessing Apple will report 55 million iPhones sold over the Holiday quarter. And like you say... they are rather expensive phones.

Isn't that better than Huawei selling 25 million mid to low-end phones? Or are you gonna gang up a bunch of unrelated companies that all happen to be selling phones running Google's operating system... and compare all those to Apple?

That's what I never understood about market share. They compare Apple (a single company) to a collection of a dozen Android manufacturers.

That would be like comparing Subway to ALL the fast food hamburger restaurants combined.
 
You're right...I mean if you haven't seen one, no way anyone has bought one. They should have just asked you for a rough estimate of what you see in a typical day and ran with that. It would've been much easier and probably way more accurate.

Maybe Gallup should stop wasting time on all their surveys and call you as well. With you having the pulse on society, it would save them a lot of time/money and make their jobs easier.

Yep! I believe that's Fanboy talking point #244A

"I haven't seen one" is the preferred method of measuring competitors sales on Mac Fan Boards. If actual numbers indicate that a competitor's machine is actually outselling Apple's product, use Fanboy Talking Point #244B and say something like "That's shipped, not sales! The numbers for the gorgeous, magical and elegant Macs are actual sales. Everyone else lies except Tim & Jony, they really care about us"...
 
i wouldnt hold much in the comparison between macbook and windows laptop/chromebook.

Macbook (pro), in general, are much more expensive than windows laptops so of course there are going to be fewer people buying them. Another big reason is that 90+% people are still window users.

Macbook is never going to out-sell windows machine. Apple knows this too.
 
The funny thing is... Apple will sell more devices this year than they did last year. Isn't that growth? They're selling every iPhone they can make... roughly 500,000 every day. Why can't anyone be happy about that?

So... market domination is entirely about numbers.
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That's what I never understood about market share. They compare Apple (a single company) to a collection of a dozen Android manufacturers.

Market share is very important for investors as it's usually a sign of platform dominance. And dominance helps you to escape price competition (however, doesn't apply to Apple as they've found their own niche). Furthermore platform dominance attracts developers.

Apple had an impressive growth due to clever marketing, good products and adequate pricing in the 2000s and now it's on its peak. It already lost huge parts of its innovative power and sells its products at a price point that's no longer competitive. People are just not willed to pay 1000s of dollars for a PC or notebook, and the same will happen to the smartphone market, where the iPhone and the iPad are too expensive (which isn't that bad, as the overall price is affordable for many). So it might be shrinking again over the next years.
 
Not a high percentage. Whether it's an iPhone, iPod, iPad, or Mac, Apple products are in the vast majority of homes.



iMovie, iPhoto and iTunes are not complicated softwares. These products make it very easy for all enthusiasts to manage huge collections of photos, shoot and edit incredible video, and manage a music library. They are the de-facto standard in the industry.

Would be nice if the "de-facto standard" ran on more than 6% of the world's computers.
 
And upgrading the Windows Genuine Advantage so it can make your Windows stop being genuine randomly.

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Maybe the people who use computers for more advanced stuff should band together and try to keep people away from tablets. Fast PCs are cheap right now because they're mass produced because so many people use them. Once people move away, they'll become specialty items and skyrocket in price.

I run an IT infrastructure team and the reality is for us that we will be using MS products for a very long time to come, so they won't become niche overnight. I see all this as a rebalancing between the sectors, MS got too big, Apple is nowhere near that (except arguably in tablets).

As for the Genuine Advantage stuff I have never seen it since the old XP days but then we have all Windows 7 at work.
 
So you telling me that i can go to download.com and install any of the software/programs offered there?? Oh wait i remember that chromebooks are only good for websurfing/email and thats it.. Chromebooks are not real PC. Period......

No you can't, but there are now some really great aps and plugins available for ChromeOS and more coming every day. You can find them on Google Play. Anyway, its actually a lot more than just websurfing and email...don't believe the haters and try one for yourself.

Also, its super easy to run Linux in parallel if you want to fill in the gaps with offline capabilities.
 
Chromebooks have their target, people that only needs mail, browsing and no much else.

The target market are the people who figured out that netbooks, while being small and cheap, are actually rubbish. So they are trying out something else that is small and cheap and not a netbook, in the hope that it isn't rubbish.
 
The target market are the people who figured out that netbooks, while being small and cheap, are actually rubbish. So they are trying out something else that is small and cheap and not a netbook, in the hope that it isn't rubbish.

I will never understand why people make claims like yours, do you have to bash anything that it is not Apple?

And not taking into account that you can´t be more wrong. But you know that
 
The target market are the people who figured out that netbooks, while being small and cheap, are actually rubbish. So they are trying out something else that is small and cheap and not a netbook, in the hope that it isn't rubbish.

You know that the iPad was not the first tablet ? It was just better done and came at a time when the required technology to build and use these devices was available.

It's the same with those netbooks from the 2000s and the Chrome. Wireless and 3G/4G is a commodity now, but it wasn't 8 years ago (availability, price, bandwidth).
 
Is that better than those who do the same with the $1000 MacBook Air?

Considering the MacBook Air actually, you know, DOES something and is not a glorified data trap for your personal information.

Honestly, I love how Google fans are just trying to lower the bar for Google so much that they think a niche product with a niche set of fans is somehow this great big success.

Chromebooks are essentially WebTV 2.0. Nothing more, nothing less. You get it because you don't know any better.
 
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