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I for one see it as a potential problem. Which is why I have the default option selected to only accept apps from the App Store.

I have broken this rule a couple of times.
1. I purchased an animation program, for a bit of fun. It installed all manner of interfering items on the menu, and was phoning home all the time. Deleted, for these reasons.
2. Drivers and support software for an audio interface. I'd have been a lot happier if it could have been accomplished through the App Store, so thumbs down for the vendor. I paid for the hardware, not the drivers.
I totally agree! I prefer to use the Mac App Store myself. But it's a choice -- does having that choice make me any less secure? Like is Mac inherently bad/risky? Or is it up to the user to determine the level of risk they expose themselves to? I'm so confused lol
 
I wonder if this is because of Brexit. The EU Commission opened its antitrust case last June on a similar basis, but now the UK has exited the EU any finding from that investigation will no longer apply in the UK, so the UK now must launch its own probe to investigate the issue and make a ruling to apply in the UK.
 
The real question is whether it matters (strong market position on iPhone devices), since there is no "iPhone" market, but a "mobile phone" market.
This is exactly the point. A market is generally not defined as a single manufacturer. The market would be more correctly be categorized not as "Apple mobile phone" but rather "mobile phone." Unless, of course Android (collective of all manufacturers and custom branches) cease operation and Apple is the only mobile phone manufacturer left. At that point, the market would rightly be called "Apple mobile phone" and this complaint would make more sense.

This is not an argument for or against the merits of alternate app stores on Apple devices, but rather simply a question about what market we should be talking about.
 
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It's funny how no one sees the openness of MacOS as a problem.

Because the macOS has always allowed it. Try taking something away AFTER saying "yes" and people won't be happy.

Under iOS, this never happened. It was ALWAYS the walled garden. And with that being said, I'd prefer a way to sideload apps. You can do this with Android, with a Roku TV, but not "walled garden" items from Apple.
 
How about just allowing apps on the device that are sourced from outside the App Store? Like on macOS.
This way the App Store can stay a safe and trusted place while also letting the user decide what software they run, and not ask for Apple‘s opinion all the time.
Nope, Not on iPhone...there is too much personal critical information on the phone compared to a computer,
 
It's funny how no one sees the openness of MacOS as a problem.
Macintoshes have viruses and malware, just less of it because they have only 7% of the market. If macOS had a similar percentage of the market as iOS does (just in the U.S.) it would be just like Windows. Developers who are pushing for this change should also remember that macOS has issues with piracy that iOS does not have.

I wish that macOS had the same restrictions as iOS. It would make things easier and safer. It would mean that there would be required privacy disclosures, limited ability to track users across applications, and no need to create an account with every service forcing me to share my information with them and worry about their ability to maintain its security.

It would mean that every major application would require its own store making app discovery worse.

Overall, ruining the experience for users.
 
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Right, so if the idea behind the walled garden on iOS/iPadOS is that it makes those devices more safe and secure... does this mean my Mac is not safe to use? Am I exposing myself to security and privacy risks by using a Mac? 😳
Yes you are. The only reason it is not a serious problem is that it has such a small market share - 7%-14% depending on which numbers you believe. With a market as large and lucrative as iOS, it would be a huge problem. Piracy and malware are problems on Android and are not really issues on iOS, in a large part due to Apple’s App Store approach.
 
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Macintoshes have viruses and malware, just less of it because they have only 7% of the market. If macOS had a similar percentage of the market as iOS does (just in the U.S.) it would be just like Windows. Developers who are pushing for this change should also remember that macOS has issues with piracy that iOS does not have.

I wish that macOS had the same restrictions as iOS. It would make things easier and safer. It would mean that there would be required privacy disclosures, limited ability to track users across applications, and no need to create an account with every service forcing me to share my information with them and worry about their ability to maintain its security.

It would mean that every major application would require its own store making app discovery worse.

Overall, ruining the experience for users.
you need to read this
 
But it does matter that the marketplace only exists on Apple devices. There is no law that compels any manufacturer to make their devices "open" and forces them to make something they do not want to make - like trying to tell an OEM how a specific feature on their device has to work. Even if that feature happens to be how software is installed on that device.
It is not the same thing, nobody is asking Apple to allow the App Store to operate on Windows, Linux or Android. They are asking for options, for fair treatment of users and developers, for other ways to download and distribute apps.


iOS is not an open platform and the AppStore is not an open market. The apps in that marketplace only exist because Apple allowed that developer the privilege of creating apps for the platform, so they could be installed on Apple devices. The developer agreed to those terms when they paid and signed up for Apple's Developer Program.

You are wrong here. It does not matter if Apple created the devices and the store, this cannot be a magic land where all the rules are dictated by Apple. When you operate in a country and create a business formally, pay taxes, receive money, etc. you have to do it under the terms of the law. Even if Apple created the store they cannot do whatever they want... and the Developer Agreement is a civil contract between the Developer and Apple... again: under the law.
 
Oh man I never even considered that as a possible reason behind why so many people here defend apple even when they’re clearly in the wrong. This perfectly explains it
Developers know this when signing up to making apps for the App store. They can choose to not develop for said platform let the consumer choose if they wish to move to another platform to play its game!
 
As a shareholder the UK and go and jump of a cliff!
Maybe we'll see a good buying opportunity for Apple stock.

I sold Apple awhile ago when it became clear that:
1 - Apple's sales volume was falling and they're just trying to mask it.
2 - Tim Cook doesn't have any plans for what comes next after the iPhone.

It's insane, really, how terrible a CEO Tim Cook has been. From 1998 to 2011, during Steve's second time at Apple, Apple went from a failing computer company, to a hipster computer company, to the iPod company, to the iPhone company. During Tim Cook's decade at Apple, they've gone from the iPhone company at the start, to still just being the iPhone company.
 
Forgetting iCloud are we
No, we are not....Apple has ALWAYS been a walled garden and people buy into and then bitch about it. Apple is not a monopoly in the sense that are other options. My option is if you don't like it, use one that you like. I have been using Apple computers since the original 512k. It would be interesting to see what would happen to the market.industry if Apple shut down the app store.

And, yes I know I will get flamed for this.
 
I guess if you define the market small enough, you are by definition dominant:
  • is amazon dominant in selling Kindles? Can I buy books not from Kindle?
  • Is General Motors dominant in selling Chevrolets?
  • Is amazon dominant in selling products on amazon.com and uses it's position to charge vendors a fee?
  • Is Spotify dominant in streaming music on Spotify? should they be required to stream other services music?
  • Does Delta dominant the market for purchases of tickets on Delta such that they can charge egregious cancellation and change fees?
What happens when they do a study and find that 30% is pretty standard commission rate (oh, there already has been a study, doh)? Does any decision require Google, Amazon, etc to lower fees? Does the market set rates or does big gubmint set what vendors can charge (so much for free markets? Does Android's dominant position in the smart phone market render the whole argument moot because customers can always choose android if they are tired of the privacy and security (oh, unless you define the "market" small enough)

This whole thing is getting silly. Maybe governments should just regulate what we can and can't do on smartphones.

Personally I'm all for lower fees, but I'd go after those ridiculous airline/rental car/hotel change fees first. Imagine charging a customer $250 if they can't use the ticket, and then selling the ticket to someone else anyway? Maybe regulators could let us auction our own unused tickets?

OK, it is ridiculous and so is this rant
 
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Maybe we'll see a good buying opportunity for Apple stock.

I sold Apple awhile ago when it became clear that:
1 - Apple's sales volume was falling and they're just trying to mask it.
2 - Tim Cook doesn't have any plans for what comes next after the iPhone.

It's insane, really, how terrible a CEO Tim Cook has been. From 1998 to 2011, during Steve's second time at Apple, Apple went from a failing computer company, to a hipster computer company, to the iPod company, to the iPhone company. During Tim Cook's decade at Apple, they've gone from the iPhone company at the start, to still just being the iPhone company.
hahaha, bet your crying now with sales volumes increasing and ooh so much profit
 
Care to give some examples of that? Apple only controls and restricts what happens on their devices. That's certainly not "overreaching". And not exactly sure what's unfair about Apple being able to take advantage of their own platform that they spend billions of dollars developing, maintaining and updating.
True and can't people still make HTML5 apps?
 
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Maybe we'll see a good buying opportunity for Apple stock.

I sold Apple awhile ago when it became clear that:
1 - Apple's sales volume was falling and they're just trying to mask it.
2 - Tim Cook doesn't have any plans for what comes next after the iPhone.

It's insane, really, how terrible a CEO Tim Cook has been. From 1998 to 2011, during Steve's second time at Apple, Apple went from a failing computer company, to a hipster computer company, to the iPod company, to the iPhone company. During Tim Cook's decade at Apple, they've gone from the iPhone company at the start, to still just being the iPhone company.
Yes I think they still have a lot to show in the coming year! Glasses, VR and who knows maybe even a Apple Drone!
 
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