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Exactly, so, people that are not happy with it are free to take their wallet somewhere else...that is the way it is in all other aspects of life....Why does everybody think that this is different because it's Apple? And, opinions....They're like *******s....everybodies got one. One's opinion does not make anybody else's opinion wrong...it's just different and opinion of a business is ruled by the owner a private person, or in the case of a corporation, the board of directors at the will of the real owners....the shareholders.
Chill. You don’t know which of us here are shareholders. If reading opinions makes you this mad I don’t know that forums are the best place for you to frequent but you do you. Way I see it, I happened to agree with the OP and you lot jumped on anyone in agreement with this investigation. If anyone has issues coping with difference in opinions it sure looks pretty clear which side is struggling.
 
Chill. You don’t know which of us here are shareholders. If reading opinions makes you this mad I don’t know that forums are the best place for you to frequent but you do you. Way I see it, I happened to agree with the OP and you lot jumped on anyone in agreement with this investigation. If anyone has issues coping with difference in opinions it sure looks pretty clear which side is struggling.
You are correct, I don't know who on this forum are shareholders, but I would expect shareholders would not be happy with what the potential future is for Apple. None of the opinions here make me mad at all and I have nothing against the OP or anyone who agrees....or disagrees. I just hope that it will all work out well in the end. I see that there are 3 perspectives A. the developers, B. the users and C. the system/back end. I have no perspective of a developer, because I am not one, never have been and never will be. so, there are 2 more viewpoints...I see it as a very long time Apple user and get concerned that the governments here in US and abroad get involved in making decisions in subjects that they don't necessarily fully understand...but has far reaching ramifications and finally C. I understand a lot of what it takes to run/support the back end, being the facility engineer for a corporate television facility.

The reality is Apple will survive through is one way or another, they always have. They will no doubt get out of bad areas and move into something new. They are not really a "computer" company like they used to be, as they have morphed in a media/lifestyle/tech company. It used to be that for the really high performance computing you ran SGI or apple. Now the highest end MacPros are no better that or not as good as some high end PCs. I have 8 edit rooms 4 with PC's HP Z8....they are beasts at $35k each....They can run up to $120k depending on what you build. We are getting 4 new MacPros at $26k each but I am already seeing that they will not be as good at running DiVinci Resolve, Avid Media Composer or Adobe Premier. You can build a PC for like $2k with higher performance.....sorry, I digress.

Be assured, I am not all angry or mad at any posters on this or any of the car forums that I subscribe too.
 
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Chill. You don’t know which of us here are shareholders. If reading opinions makes you this mad I don’t know that forums are the best place for you to frequent but you do you. Way I see it, I happened to agree with the OP and you lot jumped on anyone in agreement with this investigation. If anyone has issues coping with difference in opinions it sure looks pretty clear which side is struggling.
Hey, You, I was just thinking....Maybe The way out is they create a 2nd app store. Users could have/log into either or both. One is their traditional walled garden. The other could much more open but monitored/vetted for safety but is open to developers they they could call "alternative" apps...or something. These could be apps that they are only hosting and they work out some other pricing structure....maybe based on MB stored, like AWS.
 
Hey, You, I was just thinking....Maybe The way out is they create a 2nd app store. Users could have/log into either or both. One is their traditional walled garden. The other could much more open but monitored/vetted for safety but is open to developers they they could call "alternative" apps...or something. These could be apps that they are only hosting and they work out some other pricing structure....maybe based on MB stored, like AWS.
I’d be all over that. Also you wouldn’t happen to be a Subaru boy would you :p
 
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Apple really are fighting a losing battle here.

It’s almost crystal clear that they’re on the wrong side of history and that the future of iOS and iPad OS will include 3rd party app stores or an open eco-system.
And when your phone get jacked do you expect Apple to fix it? When you get ripped off by that 3rd party app or store will you blame Apple?
 
I for one see it as a potential problem. Which is why I have the default option selected to only accept apps from the App Store.

I have broken this rule a couple of times.
1. I purchased an animation program, for a bit of fun. It installed all manner of interfering items on the menu, and was phoning home all the time. Deleted, for these reasons.
2. Drivers and support software for an audio interface. I'd have been a lot happier if it could have been accomplished through the App Store, so thumbs down for the vendor. I paid for the hardware, not the drivers.
You will like a future locked down macOS running only apps from Mac App Store.
 
“I personally believe the world is marching toward this,” Stortz says. “We are going to a place where only outliers will have computers—people who need them, like developers. The general population will have mobile devices which are already in the walled-garden paradigm. That will expand. You’ll be an outlier if you’re not in the walled garden.”

This opinion echoes my argument of macOS will move towards a closed locked down nature just like iOS. I just can’t see the operating system going back to be as open as, say, Commodore Basic or even MSDOS. It’s ironic when US people shout out freedom louder than everyone else but at the same time accept a locked down system way quicker than everyone else.
 
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does this mean my Mac is not safe to use? Am I exposing myself to security and privacy risks by using a Mac? 😳
Yes, Mac isn't as safe as iOS devices. Where are you all these years?

It's far safer than an alternative which is Windows though.
 
And when your phone get jacked do you expect Apple to fix it? When you get ripped off by that 3rd party app or store will you blame Apple?
Why you expect Apple to cover ur a***** and you just use the device blindly? Full submission of your own ability to identify and judge threat to the big tech company? I assume you are not like that.
 
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Yes, Mac isn't as safe as iOS devices. Where are you all these years?

It's far safer than an alternative which is Windows though.
So, you're saying, if I download all my software from the App Store, I'm not safe?
 
So, you're saying, if I download all my software from the App Store, I'm not safe?
No. I meant if you download all your softwares from outside of App Store, which macOS allows and iOS current doesn't, you are not as safe.
 
I didn’t realize we lived in a world where customer satisfaction is 100% across the board.

You’re not entitled to a product that never changes much like developers weren’t entitled to never changing App Store rules. Apple can’t have it both ways and I’m going to continue criticizing that and you’ll just have to either deal with that or ignore me if all you want to read are people agreeing with each other about everything. you can’t also ignore all these governments and regulatory bodies and neither can apple.
Criticize away. I'm free to voice an opposite opinion. Nobody said Apple is ignoring governmental bodies, it's just that it may not go down the way anybody thinks.

I'm all for less governmental regulation. Look at AT&T as a shining example of what really didn't work very well.
 
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No. I meant if you download all your softwares from outside of App Store, which macOS allows and iOS current doesn't, you are not as safe.
There are currently two ways to get apps on the Mac. You can download from the Apple app store, or, from the developers site. I have a choice. If my choice to get it from the developer doesn't affect you're choice to get it from the app store, where is the problem?
 
There are currently two ways to get apps on the Mac. You can download from the Apple app store, or, from the developers site. I have a choice. If my choice to get it from the developer doesn't affect you're choice to get it from the app store, where is the problem?
It's not a choice though when you, or someone who's less techie like those who's using cellphone, can be deceived to download something outside of an App Store.
If you want a choice just buy Android. That's their sale pitch.
 
It's not a choice though when you, or someone who's less techie like those who's using cellphone, can be deceived to download something outside of an App Store.
If you want a choice just buy Android. That's their sale pitch.
Many, many, non techie people using Macs, and PC's. Many, many people on Macs and PC's use banking and credit card apps. If you're argument is to protect everyone from harm, they should get their software from the Appstore IF THEY CHOOSE. That's not a 100% protection but still pretty good. You can do the same on Android with the PlayStore, although the curation is not as good as Apple, in my opinion.
 
Many, many, non techie people using Macs, and PC's.
You just pull this out of your ass. Hint: looks at sale number of Mac vs iPhone. There's HUGE difference there.

If you want choice, buy Android. Apple never pitch iPhone for choice. They're pitching it for security and privacy. You're buying into a wrong system.
 
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"We look forward to working with the UK Competition and Markets Authority to explain how our guidelines for privacy, security and content have made the ‌App Store‌ a trusted marketplace for both consumers and developers."

Which says nothing really, other than Apple isn't gonna budge. I would have thought co-operation would be far more valuable.
 
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