UK Government Issues New Order to Access iCloud User Data

[ProbablyDylan]

Just don't back up to iCloud. Problem solved.

You know what's coming ...

"Switch to Android if you don't like it!"

"Apple decides how it works on THEIR phones ... 'NUFF SAID"

"Maybe you should leave!"

Man, it'd be great if Apple gave the option to store our data elsewhere, right? Build out a secure cloud provider API so you can plug whatever provider into the back of the phone and store your data in Timbuktu if you were so inclined.

Nah Apple doesn't care about privacy that much. Making that iCloud money is more important.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Man, it'd be great if Apple gave the option to store our data elsewhere, right? Build out a secure cloud provider API so you can plug whatever provider into the back of the phone and store your data in Timbuktu if you were so inclined.

Nah Apple doesn't care about privacy that much. Making that iCloud money is more important.

Or on our own NAS even.

If Apple was really about privacy, they'd enable and support that and perhaps even revive the Time Capsules as a first party NAS solution!

Dare to dream, right!?

 

[Mr. Heckles]

Boy, the next decade sure will be interesting…

And that's a nice way of putting it. It will be very interesting and probably scary.

 

[Futurix]

It's easy to write things like this, without direct experience, but it's really not like this in the UK.

However, there most definitely are certain individuals – who want power, money, or both – who are painting pictures of UK daily life that is a fiction (such as supposed crimewaves driven by immigrants).

Yeah, right wing propaganda clearly worked on a lot of people in this thread.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

If Apple was really about privacy, they'd enable and support that and perhaps even revive the Time Capsules as a first party NAS solution!

This would be a neat product addition for Apple's lineup IMO. iCloud at Home - a NAS that's seamlessly integrated with all your Apple devices and still offers SMB for any plebians in your home or workplace. Great for Pro users that want fast, local, secure centralized storage or video or other creative projects.

 

[wanha]

Authoritarianism is the inevitable end result of late stage capitalism.

Democracy, equality and even the sustainability of the planet are the casualty of this and it boggles my mind why so many people seem to want exactly this.

 

[DougieS]

As an English person this is depressing. Governments use guises such as terrorism and child abuse as fallacies to force their real (unspoken) agendas of control, such as this.

I hope apple fight back and win. The UK government should be ashamed of themselves, we may as well be communists at this stage.

Communism and authoritarianism are not linked.
You have have either Libertarian Communism and Authoritarian Communism, same with Libertarian Capitalism and Authoritarian Capitalism.

 

[turbineseaplane]

This would be a neat product addition for Apple's lineup IMO. iCloud at Home - a NAS that's seamlessly integrated with all your Apple devices and still offers SMB for any plebians in your home or workplace. Great for Pro users that want fast, local, secure centralized storage or video or other creative projects.

It's pretty amazing they aren't in this space (and routers!) given how expensive the solutions often are.

There is a huge swath of long term traditional Apple users that would be ALL IN on Apple offerings in these spaces, and yet they offer absolutely nothing.

 

[insomniac86]

I used to think living in the UK could be cool, but with their surveillance state, penalizing people for saying things in social media, and other insanity I no longer think that. Evidently living in the UK means the government deserves access to everything about you. I am not one who believes in the "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about argument".

When someone says "if you’re not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about", reply with a simple test like: "Fine. Give me your unlocked phone and I’ll review your photos, deleted items, browser history, documents, messages and emails. Now If you decline, does that mean you’re concealing wrongdoing, or that you actually accept a right to personal privacy?"

Man that argument annoys the **** out of me.

 

[scaramoosh]

I stopped using it when they started scanning your photos :/

 

[Mr_Ed]

This is a good reason to make local iPhone backups more user-friendly again. Apple has neglected this part of the user experience for too long.

I've been wanting this for a long time. Apple obviously knows how to create a backup image of my phone and send it over the network to iCloud, but extending me the courtesy of easily and conveniently sending that image to my own private NAS is apparently a bridge too far. Not sure why. Yeah, I know, I can use iTunes to make a backup and then put it on the NAS. I would back up way more often if it was as convenient as iCloud backup.

 

[wanha]

What you gonna achieve?

Let say if you start a revolution, the next day Government will invoke emergency measure, and guess what they will take away any remaining rights and freedom.

You just hand over everything to the government, that’s exactly what they want.

Any what are you chances to get major consensus from general population over this? Nobody wants start revolution and plunge country into chaos with this m? Without general consensus, you won’t be successful

Sometimes all it takes is a single person willing to make a stand that kicks off a revolution, like the guy at Tiananmen square who stood in front of a column of tanks and refused to move.

We're slowly reaching boiling point and someone is going to make a stand that unites the masses. Who, when, and where are still a mystery, but that day is coming.

 

[robvalentine]

That is NOT what was said. I'd urge everyone to read the actual statement instead of listening to a twisted version of it.

I was paraphrasing here's what the BBC reported

In July last year, prompted by a false rumour that an illegal immigrant was responsible for the murder of three girls at a dance workshop in Southport, Connolly posted online calling for "mass deportation now", adding "set fire to all the... hotels [housing asylum seekers]... for all I care".

So yes it's incitement which is illegal, and she was punished, justly. It's the far right that are twisting what she said to make it seem it wasn't bad.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

I've been wanting this for a long time. Apple obviously knows how to create a backup image of my phone and send it over the network to iCloud, but extending me the courtesy of easily and conveniently sending that image to my own private NAS is apparently a bridge too far. Not sure why. Yeah, I know, I can use iTunes to make a backup and then put it on the NAS. I would back up way more often if it was as convenient as iCloud backup.

It's because they make more money from you backing up to their servers, as opposed to a drive you yourself own.

 

[seek3r]

Sometimes all it takes is a single person willing to make a stand that kicks off a revolution, like the guy at Tiananmen square who stood in front of a column of tanks and refused to move.

From a "kick off revolution" POV sadly Tiananmen actually did the opposite :/

It was a powerful set of protests, and the guy in front of the tank a powerful moment, but, unlike a lot of similar moments, didnt really help long term (which isnt to say people shouldnt try, a lot of the time these things are a powerful catalyst for change, just not sure this is the best example)

 

[ryanmp]

Or on our own NAS even.

If Apple was really about privacy, they'd enable and support that and perhaps even revive the Time Capsules as a first party NAS solution!

Dare to dream, right!?

Oh man, Time Capsule, I've still got my 5th gen version in a drawer. Such a great product.

Imagine iCloud being able to store documents, photos and everything on an encrypted local Time Capsule for all family users.

 

[MN7119]

My barber still carries a flip phone and is cash only. I kind of envy his lifestyle. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Robert.Walter]

I used to think living in the UK could be cool, but with their surveillance state, penalizing people for saying things in social media, and other insanity I no longer think that. Evidently living in the UK means the government deserves access to everything about you. I am not one who believes in the "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about argument".

And what is right or wrong in many cases is malleable, or selectable, enforceable or ignorable and the definition definitively drifts over time toward whomever holds power and away from those lacking a protective or organized constituency.

 

[Robert.Walter]

My barber still carries a flip phone and is cash only. I kind of envy his lifestyle. 🤷‍♂️

I’m sure your barber is legit. But…

Flips and cash in and out are popular with Main Street mobsters.

Facilitates skimming the top line, and cheating on taxes.

 

[I7guy]

You know what's coming ... 😉 😂

"Switch to Android if you don't like it!"

"Apple decides how it works on THEIR phones ... 'NUFF SAID"

"Maybe you should leave!"

This isn’t an Apple thing. It’s a UK government thing. And it’s just the start of a surveillance state. You don t think android and other operating systems are going to remain untouched?

 

[WarmWinterHat]

I’m sure your barber is legit. But…

Flips and cash in and out are popular with Main Street mobsters.

Facilitates skimming the top line, and cheating on taxes.

Cash is still popular in some areas. My wife, for example, is a criminal defense attorney and about 1/2 of her clients pay in cash, which isn't unusual in law. Clients are often unbanked, or have bad credit and can't get an account, or borrowed the money, etc.

We have a fairly large Amish and Mennonite population here too, and they only use cash.

 

[Pezimak]

The sequel is going to be directed by Michael Bay, so if not more interesting it'll at least be flashier.

Well that means WW3 then as Bay just looooves blowing everything up!

 

[Plutonius]

If it only applies to UK data, what is preventing someone from having their account linked to another countries iCloud (registering or VPN) ?

 

[MN7119]

I’m sure your barber is legit. But…

Flips and cash in and out are popular with Main Street mobsters.

Facilitates skimming the top line, and cheating on taxes.

Guy is just old style. He has no internet, uses a flip phone and lives his life his own way. I never asked if he pays taxes or not as that is not my business. He lives a simple life, likes to fish and hunt deers. My point is that he couldn't care less if the Government will look at his messages, iCloud backup, etc... He just lives happy.

 

[insomniac86]

I was paraphrasing here's what the BBC reported

In July last year, prompted by a false rumour that an illegal immigrant was responsible for the murder of three girls at a dance workshop in Southport, Connolly posted online calling for "mass deportation now", adding "set fire to all the... hotels [housing asylum seekers]... for all I care".

So yes it's incitement which is illegal, and she was punished, justly. It's the far right that are twisting what she said to make it seem it wasn't bad.

And she deleted it within 4 hours when she learned that it might not have been correct and was an emotional response to hearing of a tragic event. Funny how some people choose to leave that out.

As a for being punished "justly", sure... saying "hurty words" with no action, results in a larger length of punishment than actually raping kids. - Yikes...... looks like a broken moral compass to me.