UK Government Issues New Order to Access iCloud User Data

[WarmWinterHat]

There isn’t any massacre. I know this will be downvoted. The tank man was not killed. Tank can easily run this guy over but they didn’t.

Tank man wasn't run over, but no one knows who he is either..so no idea what happened to him after the photo.

Officially, China says that ~500 people were killed at the Tiananmen Square protests. Declassified intelligence from Britain says a minimum of 10,000, but I would call even 500 people killed at a protests a massacre, regardless of how many people were present in total.

Believe what you will.

 

[TOM1211]

With it still turned on for me I’m waiting for the Apple update that breaks it do I stay on a lower iOS with it turned on? Or will I be forced to update remains to be seen but it’s still on for now

 

[canadianreader]

You want to protect your privacy ? It’s simple connect your phone to your computer and backup using finder and disable all iCloud features. The less convenient the more private.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Tank man wasn't run over, but no one knows who he is either..so no idea what happened to him after the photo.

Officially, China says that ~500 people were killed at the Tiananmen Square protests. Declassified intelligence from Britain says a minimum of 10,000 but I would call even 500 people killed at a protests as a massacre, regardless of how many people are present in total.

Believe what you will.

I don't believe 500, I know that much! 😂

 

[WarmWinterHat]

You want to protect your privacy ? It’s simple connect your phone to your computer and backup using finder and disable all iCloud features. The less convenient the more private.

As I stated before, apps can and will still sync data in the background, via icloud app containers, with or without your consent. You can't opt-out.

 

[canadianreader]

As I stated before, apps can and will still sync data in the background, via icloud app containers, with or without your consent. You can't opt-out.

You can with DNS filtering

 

[WarmWinterHat]

You can with DNS filtering

Okay, well good luck preventing your phone from ever bypassing it, or showing the common person how to do that.

I run a pretty locked-down home network, and my phone stays on a VPN to my home network, but it still leaks, and with every update, I have to re-enable such settings.

Edit: the iPhone has hardcoded addresses and will sometime bypass DNS lookup altogether. I route all hardcoded DNS requests to my adblocker, and block all knows DNS-over-https servers, and DNS-over-TLS (and associated ports), and it still leaks occasionally.

 

[Plerf]

But people said the UK is good I thought. Amazing how the voices on here are quiet now

Still prefer there to here.

 

[robvalentine]

And she deleted it within 4 hours when she learned that it might not have been correct and was an emotional response to hearing of a tragic event. Funny how some people choose to leave that out.

As a for being punished "justly", sure... saying "hurty words" with no action, results in a larger length of punishment than actually raping kids. - Yikes...... looks like a broken moral compass to me.

She deleted it because someone told her how bad it was. Damage limitation not because she realised it was that bad.

Not hurry words, actual incitement.

When did I say it was good that it was a longer punishment than raping kids? Oh I didn’t. I said it was good she got a solid sentence and maybe next time she won’t provoke people into setting hotels alight.

Freedom of speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of you breaking the law.

 

[canadianreader]

Okay, well good luck preventing your phone from ever bypassing it, or showing the common person how to do that.

I run a pretty locked-down home network, and my phone stays on a VPN to my home network, but it still leaks, and with every update, I have to re-enable such settings.

You're right vpn leaks are very common to iOS devices. A home network behind a VPN and DNS filtering is the best approach but this won't work when using cell towers you'll need a dns app like DNSsecure but it's not 100% reliable. The ultimate solution to protect what's left of one's privacy is a degoogled phone with GrapheneOS or other custom roms. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dnsecure/id1533413232

 

[MallardDuck]

Yes, it will jeopardize user data worldwide. There is no such thing as a secure backdoor.

 

[jz0309]

When is Apple going to fight back? They already told the FBI (and, essentially, the US gov't) to go away, so why can't they just refuse to comply with this? Will there be a court order? If so, when will it be enough for Apple?

While I am not disagreeing I think it's the people who need to decide how far reaching they want their elected government to go...

 

[DBZmusicboy01]

They are saying it’s to investigate terrorism and CSA but that’s a complete lie from them
Because they are using those two •excuses• to justify taking away privacy from the common person. As a hook for us not having any freedom of speech.

 

[bluecoast]

I'm from - and in - the UK.

To our American cousins:

The UK isn't generally 'unsafe'. It would only be in the roughest districts that I would be unsafe. Certainly not in the centre of London, as I've heard that some people in the USA believe (i.e. that it's unsafe). Maybe you don't want to go flashing a Rolex or anything though.

As far as state surveillance & freedom of speech:

Even before the age of the smartphone, libel here meant something different to that of the USA.

For the press, TV stations etc. there are consequences to saying something unsubstantiated (usually paying the injured party lots of money).

So this lack of complete freedom is not new here - we have never had freedom of speech in the same way as the USA has. I'm not saying it's good, mind.

As far as state surveillance goes. I wouldn't know. I would assume that I haven't got much privacy if the state decided to look into me.

But take a look at all of us. Our digital footprints are massive. We're all carrying phones connected to mobile networks - enabling someone to triangulate our position, if they wanted to.

Having said that - I'm all for as much privacy are we are able to get.

I'm just being realistic that all of us have probably not got as much as we think that we have.

 

[Dorfdad]

Such a slippery slop. OF course today they are demanding it for National security just like the US did with the Patriot Act stuff. Eventually it will become a more ambiguous request and the Local Police etc will get warrants to search through your text for "words" deemed unacceptable to they will punish people.

People buy Apple Product because they SUPPOSEDLY are very strong and don't keep peoples data, well if Your just selling expensive devices without security for individuals anymore than I guess there is no reason for APPLE products be in demand.

Couldn't they just offer some kinda seed phrase for each phone that only the individuals own thus bypassing Apple having any ability to control it?

 

[wanha]

You think revolution is easy. Do you know how many people sacrificed their lives for the Communist revolution? How many gave their lives for the belief in communism? You talk about revolution as if it were like attending a banquet, as if it could be achieved without any sacrifice. That is truly naive.

A couple of thing:

1. I'm truly baffled where you got the idea that I think revolutions are easy or pleasant or don't require tremendous sacrifice. Shocked, really.
2. Some things are worth fighting for regardless of the odds or personal gain.
3. One who insists on waiting for consensus to act is what is known as a follower.

 

[Will Co]

I used to think living in the UK could be cool, but with their surveillance state, penalizing people for saying things in social media, and other insanity I no longer think that. Evidently living in the UK means the government deserves access to everything about you. I am not one who believes in the "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about" argument.

Not sure where you get that impression of the UK. I do live here, and that's not the country I live in.

That said, I absolutely agree with you that this is overreach and not only dangerous, just plain wrong. Hopefully Apple will resist it like they resisted the last attempt at surveillance.

 

[Aoligei]

A couple of thing:

1. I'm truly baffled where you got the idea that I think revolutions are easy or pleasant or don't require tremendous sacrifice. Shocked, really.
2. Some things are worth fighting for regardless of the odds or personal gain.
3. One who insists on waiting for consensus to act is what is known as a follower.

Let’s say you are the person who is fighting for whatever the cause, what is your game plan?

What are you gonna do to achieve your goal? Assume if there is conflict between your “revolutionary force” and government, how much death would you think is acceptable?

 

[insomniac86]

There is something called consensus. Every society has some short of consensus that makes society a society. This consensus is something that no one can break.

Your speech, your opinion would be judged and possibly faces consequences. This has always been this way. Acceptable standards already exists, and people are been judged and possibly jailed.

This isn’t something new.


This is depends on your scope. I don’t think any government will install cameras inside your house. Anything you say in private or in public will be known and you will need to be responsible for what you say or what you do.

“There is something called consensus. Every society has some short of consensus that makes society a society. This consensus is something that no one can break.”

And what happens when the “consensus” doesn’t align with what the majority of the people, want, care, believe and feel, but instead aligns with what the government wants, resulting in injustice and authoritarianism?

Only people who have been brainwashed since birth would think that’s ok. No previous society has had the technology or capacity to spy on its citizens for internal / private conversations nor should one ever.

“Anything you say in private or in public will be known and you will need to be responsible for what you say or what you do.”

Assuming that’s not a typo and you believe that eventually, anything you say in private will be known? Are you stating that’s ok as it means everyone will be held accountable for their thoughts?

I’m not trying to put words in your mouth. Instead, I’m seeking clarify on if you are ok with anything said in private to be review by an external uninvited party? Are you ok with what you said above?

Personally, I believe that any government that thinks they have the right to listen in to any private conversation that I have in my own home, must be completely removed from the planet, end of story.

 

[Ursadorable]

Starmer is fully and intentionally steering the UK head first into full on communist authoritarian state, the likes of which Xi Jingping and Kim Jung Un would be proud of. How the mighty lion fallen and embraced everything they fought against in the 1940's. All those veterans that gave their lives and died to stop the Germans must be rolling in their graves.

What would Winston Churchill say if he was alive today?

Apple will continue to chase the all mighty dollar, rather than pull out of the UK market.

 

[212rikanmofo]

UK is becoming the satanic state with all these restrictions and rights being taken away. Never trust the government. Hell you can't trust nobody anymore. Uk wants the mark of the beast more than anything. No thank you.

The "officials" want access to your encrypted iCloud data so that they can help law enforcement in "child sex abuse/terrorism". LMAO. Yeah right. It's just another poor excuse for them to justify their actions. We all see where AI and technology is heading. It's clearly being used against our own will to benefit them.

 

[JosephAW]

No one will use the iCloud service

 

[h00ligan]

Sadly it’s squarely on apple to counter the apathy of the British public by refusing this and ceasing to sell devices and services if required. Interrupting people’s access to the Apple ecosystem is the only thing that may get then off their bums to do something.

If Apple gives in to this that’s probably the end of my time with iphone and iPad. There are alternate solutions that don’t comply with this overreach.

They talk big about not compromising on security but immediately caved last time. Step up or shut up would be my message to Apple. For the uk government , well I’ll probably be banned if I type that message here.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

There are alternate solutions that don’t comply with this overreach.

Google's services isn't encrypted, so they don't need to comply. Unless you use GrapheneOS and E2EE encrypted services, they probably have your info with other solutions.

 

[Jamie0003]

This is only the beginning. The UK government’s authoritarian drift accelerates with each passing day, more surveillance, more restrictions, more control. The trajectory is unmistakable.

Erm….not really. Have you heard of that trump guy? We’re nowhere near him