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Which Model are you getting?


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I mean I don’t really want to get into a massive debate/argument over it, but I’m not talking about reversal of a payment, more if the ‘buyer’ states fraud has occurred. Basically if the buyer contacts his/her bank and says fraud has been committed, they will investigate as you say, and IF the money can be clawed back (for example they can prove fraud) - it will be. Only way it won’t be is if the account it emptied. In this instance I doubt it would be.

Again in instances like this the person receiving the money MAY have their account frozen (probably temporarily) until the investigation is complete. They’d likely have to submit all kinds of evidence - chat logs etc. It’s not a nice process.

Like I say I used to work in the fraud dept for a high street bank. Also go read the MSE forums about bank accounts being closed for no reasons because someone linked to fraudulent activity has sent them money.

Ultimately, you do you. Me personally for such a high amount I’d steer well clear.

BUT don’t tell people bank transfers are 100% safe - they aren’t. Don’t get me wrong if you’ve done nothing wrong then you SHOULD be ok, but only after the actions above have been carried out.

P.s you can trust me on that!
Bank transfers are 100% safe.


 
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I bought an iPhone 11 Pro from Amazon prime (next day delivery) a couple of years ago. That was Hermes, it was delivered 3 days later and just chucked over the back gate.

I’ve heard horror stories about Hermes and Yodel, but I’m lucky that my local Hermes courier is really nice and also knows that it takes me a while to get to the door from the third floor so he waits. However Yodel deliver my Nespresso pods and the box is always bashed!
 
Anyone dropped their iPhone yet lol.

My iPhone decided to take tumble last night 😮

I left it face down on the sofa and it some how it slipped and fell side ways and then face down on laminate floor. All in all 30 cm drop lol. My heart was in my mouth but all was fine lol,
You’re still in time to buy AppleCare+ fortunately (if you don’t have it already).
 
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You’re still in time to buy AppleCare+ fortunately (if you don’t have it already).
Glad I've switched to AC+. Feel a lot more at ease knowing I can get Apple to sort out any issue I have.
I never had to claim with Protect your bubble but was always anxious about what the experience would be like if I ever did need to claim...
 
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Just looking at my card statements. I’m on the upgrade programme and upgraded on Friday (24th). It looks like the £69 upfront fee showed up yesterday but it’s also showing that I paid a monthly direct debit yesterday for £61ish which is what my iPhone 12 payment was.

Surely that loan was paid off on Friday (and I have an email stating that) so I shouldn’t be charged for it this month?!

You’ll likely get that back but reach out to Barclays. If you account is in credit they should refund it back no issues
 
Glad I've switched to AC+. Feel a lot more at ease knowing I can get Apple to sort out any issue I have.
AppleCare+ is expensive but the total peace of mind it gives is priceless.

I’m definitely buying it again this year, I just can’t decide just yet whether to go the whole hog and have the loss and theft insurance too. Probably will.
 
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Bank transfers are 100% safe.


They are NOT 100% safe. Did you bother to read any of what I put above. As I said, you keep doing you, if you want to keep arguing then crack on with someone else pal, lets leave it at that.

Edit: The link you put it up is the opposite way around and actually validates my point, that is for people MAKING the payment, not receiving it. Its actually in the bold headline:

Online banking customers who slip up and make wrong payments to get more help clawing their money back​


I think you need to do some more research pal before wrongly telling people they are safe accepting bank transfers.
 
Anyone dropped their iPhone yet lol.

My iPhone decided to a take tumble last night 😮

I left it face down on the sofa and it some how slipped and fell side ways and then face down on laminate floor. All in all a 30 cm drop. My heart was in my mouth but all was fine.
Little one (21 months old) dropped it this morning. luckily it is in a case and ESR screen protector is coming today.

To be honest I've never had Apple care+, but with the little one at this age maybe it is the time to go for it....
 
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So trade in with apple all complete! Dropped my 12 pro off at the post office on Saturday morning, and they received it at 7Am yesterday! You don't really get emails to tell you what's going on though, I was constantly checking the apple store app yesterday. It was saying waiting for device inspection, and then this morning it says our trade in partner has inspected your device and a value has been confirmed, there is nothing more you need to do. I've not had an email confirming the value though, maybe that will come later?
 
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Little one (21 months old) dropped it this morning. luckily it is in a case and ESR screen protector is coming today.

To be honest I've never had Apple care+, but with the little one at this age maybe it is the time to go for it....

my toddler sucked / chewed a lovely little olive green Nokia & it never worked again - I’d also stress it wasn’t *me* that passed it to her …

however she’s now at University (with my old iPhone X) so perhaps I should start to put it behind me
 
They are NOT 100% safe. Did you bother to read any of what I put above. As I said, you keep doing you, if you want to keep arguing then crack on with someone else pal, lets leave it at that.

Edit: The link you put it up is the opposite way around and actually validates my point, that is for people MAKING the payment, not receiving it. Its actually in the bold headline:

Online banking customers who slip up and make wrong payments to get more help clawing their money back​


I think you need to do some more research pal before wrongly telling people they are safe accepting bank transfers.
If you are not involved in a scam, the money you receive is 100% safe.

Imagine a system where I can send you money for your iPhone, then I claim scam and then the payment is reversed.

Your bank has no access to my account (and vice versa).

Sure, an investigation will take place and if I or the bank was “hacked”, or if I was fraudulent, the police would get involved, the phone might get seized, but at no point would my payment to you be reversed.

The banks don’t (rightly) have that power/ability.

The banks are a pawn in this game, they don’t get to decide what is and isn’t fraudulent, that’s for the police to decide and take action accordingly.
 
To be honest I've never had Apple care+, but with the little one at this age maybe it is the time to go for it...
The good thing about Apple care is that, if you drop your phone and smash it, you can get a replacement delivered the next day. They will of course put a hold on your CC until they receive the broken phone. Not sure if other forms of insurance do this.
 
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If you are not involved in a scam, the money you receive is 100% safe.

Imagine a system where I can send you money for your iPhone, then I claim scam and then the payment is reversed.

Your bank has no access to my account (and vice versa).

Sure, an investigation will take place and if I or the bank was “hacked”, or if I was fraudulent, the police would get involved, the phone might get seized, but at no point would my payment to you be reversed.

The banks don’t (rightly) have that power/ability.

The banks are a pawn in this game, they don’t get to decide what is and isn’t fraudulent, that’s for the police to decide and take action accordingly.
If you are not involved in a scam, the money you receive is 100% safe.

Oh my god, oh my god! Can you not let it go? I can assure you that banks can claw back money - you even put up a post saying they can, now all of a sudden they cant? You may not be involved in a scam, but the person who has lost the money is, doesn't mean you are the rightful owner of that money as it was obtained fraudulently (appreciate you may not know that) - on that occasion your bank MAY decide as a gesture of good will to pay you the money, but they are under no legal obligation to do so.

Imagine a system where I can send you money for your iPhone, then I claim scam and then the payment is reversed.

An investigation would take place, if the bank deems fraud has taken place then see above.

Your bank has no access to my account (and vice versa).

No they don't, but they legally have to communicate with each other in cases of suspect fraud, and as per the link you posted, money can (and will) be clawed back - do you honestly think that if fraud is proven a bank will let their customer suffer loss just because the receiver /seller wasn't aware?

Sure, an investigation will take place and if I or the bank was “hacked”, or if I was fraudulent, the police would get involved, the phone might get seized, but at no point would my payment to you be reversed.

Yes, it would! And how can a phone be seized when the fraudster has it? It is actually very very rare for police to be involved with the value being so low.

The banks don’t (rightly) have that power/ability.

Yes, they do, if fraud has been committed, they have to protect their customers, if that means clawing back a payment that's what they will do. (as long as the money is still in the customers account)

The banks are a pawn in this game, they don’t get to decide what is and isn’t fraudulent, that’s for the police to decide and take action accordingly.

So banks have fraud teams for what reason? You actually think the police are going to investigate your £600 bank transfer?

If this is 100% safe why do banks have pop ups asking you to clarify the reason for payment etc?

The information you are giving people is incorrect and I hope no one reading these forums listens to you as you may cost them dear. You really do need to stop saying this to people and learn the facts! It is people like you (not aimed at you specifically) that think you are untouchable then when something goes wrong complain.
 
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You’ll likely get that back but reach out to Barclays. If you account is in credit they should refund it back no issues
I'm in the same boat, and unfortunately I don't think it is an overpayment.

If you calculated the loan amount, less the payments I'd made up until the 24th, the loan pay off should have been an additional £60ish, as I'd only made 10 payments on the 24th. However it was actually calculated based on the fact I had made the required 11 payments to upgrade as they knew a payment was in process (as it has to be initiated several days before the actual payment date). I think they tried to make this clear as my email from Barclays clearly stated that the loan was paid off subject to any direct debits being recalled by my bank (ie that magic 11th payment).
 
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